And you can keep making up things that I said all you want, but it doesn't make them true. You can keep bringing up situations that I haven't touched here, but that makes them your inventions and that's all. And you can call people names all you like, but that doesn't help the discussion or make them so. I would counter that THAT is rather trollish. Quite frankly. The best you can do to come up with a mention of Baker's toughness or grit or whatever is a third hand claim of a whisper from between the lines. I haven't seen any quote where it actually happened, and you (nor anyone else) has provided an instance where it did. "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine" responded to with "Well then why are you throwing 10 mph slower than in the past?" That's what happened. Everything else is you and others trying to create drama and add things that weren't said. Whether or not that was right or fair or anything else is your opinion and I've not made any claim about whether that opinion is reasonable or not. It's an opinion, so have at it. As for your Pavano comparison, he was throwing 3 or 4 mph slower than his normal, not 10. So there's a difference, in that might be something he could pitch through. Also, there are those that have been on this very site claiming the Twins DID throw him under the bus (depsite there being no evidence of that, either).