Brock Beauchamp
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Doogie: Twins Meeting With Carl Pavano
Brock Beauchamp replied to John Bonnes's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
If it takes more than a minor league contract/Spring Training invite, pass. -
If they sign one more free agent and trade Span for another leaving Liriano to be a 3-4-5 starter, I can't see why not -- particularly given the dwindling list of alternatives. This is my thinking as well. Three (good) pitchers aren't going to come from FA. The Twins are going to have to trade for someone to bring in three new arms that are more than rotation filler.
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Garza for Young wasn't a bad trade on paper. Adding in Bartlett was a big mistake. But Smith's real failure was trading Garza the same year as Santana. You simply DO NOT trade both your franchise pitcher and your best young starter in the same offseason and expect positive results. It's madness.
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Gammons: Red Sox called about Mauer monthly
Brock Beauchamp replied to John Bonnes's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
When you lose 95+ games in consecutive seasons, nobody should be off the table. It all depends on the return. If the pitching staff isn't instantly improved by trading Mauer, no dice. The team can't take the PR hit of having two awful seasons and then trading their homegrown face of the franchise. Trading Mauer needs to bring back both immediate help and several high upside prospects. -
Neal: Twins interested in bringing Liriano back
Brock Beauchamp replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Liriano at $4m is a hell of a lot better than Feldman at $6m. At least with Francsico, there's a small hope for upside. -
Using that thinking, Miami was the largest city in the US last year and Houston is smaller than Milwaukee. Every city has endorsement opportunities and the Twin Cities are right in the middle of the pack. I've never seen any indication that some teams are better at drawing free agents than others once you get past the Yankees and Dodgers of the world.
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Free agents, like the overwhelming majority of human brings, follow the money. For every free agents that takes a team-friendly deal, I can show you 20 that followed the dollars. It's a low enough percentage to be unimportant. If the Twins want a good pitcher, they can get one.
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I'm talking solely about 2013. There's a good chance that if Ryan goes after marginal guys for $6m per year, he wouldn't have any money left for a real starting pitcher that will be with the team for more than one season. These pitching woes aren't going away after this season and if the Twins spend a bunch of money on short-term, marginal pitchers, they just have to do this again next offseason (and the pitching staff is probably awful for a third consecutive season). If given the choice, I'll take one legitimate #2/3 guy over a handful of #4s. As a fan, who wouldn't take that choice? As a player, who would choose the Twins? All the Twins have to do is offer more money than 29 other teams.
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I'm talking solely about 2013. There's a good chance that if Ryan goes after marginal guys for $6m per year, he wouldn't have any money left for a real starting pitcher that will be with the team for more than one season. These pitching woes aren't going away after this season and if the Twins spend a bunch of money on short-term, marginal pitchers, they just have to do this again next offseason (and the pitching staff is probably awful for a third consecutive season). If given the choice, I'll take one legitimate #2/3 guy over a handful of #4s.
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You're totally right. The Twins are now on par with the Yankees, Phillies, Dodgers, and Cubs. I don't know what I was thinking, pointing out that some teams have more money to spend on risky free agent-types.
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That's fine - but then you have to realize the issue with this deal is not that he was overpaid, but that he wasn't what you want. That isn't what others are saying. What this indicates, without question, is that the one guy you want is going to take a LOT of money to sign. So deals like this make sense for a to make if it doesn't want to hamstring itself long-term. Also, this team needs quantity and quality, so there is something to be said for taking low-risk moves that could pay off. These guys might both be "bums" or they could end up being solid bargains with attractive trade value for a team continuing to rebuild a bad farm. We've gone one full year with the "new" regime and everything old is new again. Crying poor and TR competing with a torn and tattered rule book well past it's expiration date. What you are advocating for is quite logical, and was logical a year ago- and many of us proposed such an approach then. Is there any indication whatsoever that they've yet figured this out down at One Twins Way? Or is there only just one Twins way- the "penurious" path on which birdwatcher loves treading. Who's crying poor? The Cubs have more money than the Twins. That's all there is to it.
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Edes: Red Sox should trade for Joe Mauer
Brock Beauchamp replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey, and Humber sounds about right. Notorious just won the thread. -
Frankly, I don't see why the Twins are all that much different than the Cubs in how they should approach things. If you're waiting around to sign players better than Diamond join the rest of the league in that battle. I can appreciate what you want the team to do, just can't get on board with something I find highly unlikely to happen. The Cubs have more money. A lot more money. They've spent $11.5m on two fringe starters. There's a good chance Ryan doesn't have much more than that to spend, period. I'd rather see Ryan pursue one quality guy than two short-term bums.
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Which post were you responding to? The post asking why Ryan seems to be able to evaluate hitters but not pitchers.
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A valid question, to which I can only respond "I have no idea."
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That would be hilarious.
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I'm a big proponent of the "give 'em time" argument but the Twins can't afford to wait out this market. They need too many arms to sit back and wait for the market to "mature". If they do that, they'll be left with a half dozen Jason Marquis to choose between. The team needs to strike quickly and pick up at least one arm. If they want to wait out the market for a second, I can understand... but that first arm needs to be acquired before the pool thins.
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He didn't have much money to play with last offseason and he had a lot of holes to fill. Outside of the Marquis disaster, he did a good job of putting together a solid offense with not a lot of money. He then drafted a bunch of pitchers this past June with the hopes of flipping a few of them into starters on the big league club within 2-3 years. He's not going to fix this thing overnight. Baseball teams change direction slowly and the guy needs more than 12 months and one draft to get the franchise back on track. I'm not even arguing that he's doing a good job of it, I'm only saying that fans need to have reasonable expectations.
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January 1st is a good place to start. We haven't even made it through the Winter Meetings yet. No significant free agents have signed with clubs outside of the one they played with in 2012. If nothing happens at or in the immediate wake of the Winter Meetings, I will be seriously disappointed. If nothing has happened by the new year, it will be time to grab the pitchforks and torches.
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While you're not necessarily doing this, Puck, this kind of thinking is one of my biggest pet peeves of late. We just don't know what kind of influence Ryan had during Smith's term as general manager. He could have stamped approval on every deal the team made. He may have been ignored 90% of the time. Bringing up the fact that he was with the team and implying he held decision-making power during Smith's run is pure conjecture and it's really starting to grate on my nerves. Ryan is the general manager. Judge him for his actions while he's in the big chair and let us refrain from speculating and gesticulating madly on what he was doing while somebody else was in it. Most of the time, it's nothing more than a platform to bitch about the front office with little or no substantiating evidence to support the claims.
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Not to blow my own horn but I lambasted and heckled that signing from day one. But, again, I do not like no-hit speedsters going into their 30s. I think they're almost universally a bad idea.
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We're torn on Twins shirt designs. You'd think a Joe Mauer one would be an obvious choice but we're a little gun-shy because the guy gets so much (undeserved) negative press. We'll be rolling out new designs for the upcoming season, though. Expect to see new stuff in January and here's hoping the Twins sign a free agent that gets the fanbase excited about the team again. As for Scott Diamond, if he starts out strong in 2013, I think a design is in order for the guy. Right now, I think both Parker and I are a little skeptical of his performance in the coming season.
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Hah, no, it's a one-sided shirt. That's a pretty good idea, though.
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A rising tide lifts all boats. The Cubs aren't doing the Twins any favors, that's for sure.
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That should be all anybody needs to know about Chone Figgins.
