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    Let's Talk About Tyler Duffey's Curveball


    Parker Hageman

    Filth flarn filth.

    That’s the only thing that came to mind watching Tyler Duffey’s curveball bend space and time over the course of his last two outings.

    After a rough introduction to the majors at the hands of the Toronto Blue Jays hitters, Duffey has settled in and compiled two solid starts in a row against Cleveland and Baltimore. Ignoring his major league debut for a moment, Duffey has now struck out 15 batters over his last 13.2 innings pitched. Of those 15 strikeouts, 14 have come on his curve.

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    Duffey, a former closer from Rice University and converted into a starter after the Twins drafted him, arrived at the organization with two viable above-average pitches in his fastball (four and two-seamers) and curveball, and he has also mixed in a work-in-progress change-up. Duffey told Twins Daily this spring that he considered his curve ball his best pitch and it shows. Any pitcher will tell you that the fastball is the foundation -- that sets up every pitch -- but the curve ball has been, as the French say, Le Unhittable.

    With the exception of a few flares, a couple of seeing-eyes and one hanging fly which 40-year-old Torii Hunter in right failed to wrangle in, Duffey’s curve ball has been a zone-expanding, bat-missing machine. Just watch some of these swing that Duffey was able to induce in his start against Cleveland at Target Field last week.

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    These are well-compensated, experienced, fully grown professional baseball players taking ridiculous swings usually reserved for hack golfers at a bachelor party after six beers while blindfolded.

    To date, Duffey has done very little to disguise what is coming once he gets ahead: He has thrown curve balls 51% of the time in a pitcher’s count. Despite the ubiquity of scouting reports on pitchers, there is still some element of surprise that gives a rookie pitcher an advantage over hitters. You can hear about a pitcher’s repertoire and watch footage but until you experience it in the batter’s box and see it for yourself, the pitcher will have a slight edge. That may play a small factor in Duffey’s dominance over two consecutive lineups.

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    However even when knowing the pitch is coming it still can cause hitters to look foolish. For example, during Thursday night’s contest Duffey unleashed a doozy of an 0-2 curve that had Orioles’ slugger Chris Davis completely flummoxed. Davis swung at the ball -- a pitch that would barely make it across the plate in the air. The Orioles successfully lobbied the umpire crew to say that Davis had made the world’s slightest contact with the ball and was therefore foul. With new life, Duffey delivered the exact same pitch in the exact same location which Davis could not manage to nick this time for strike three.

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    What makes Duffey’s curve ball so hellacious? It is the amount of spin he is able to generate.

    According to his PitchFX spin rate, he is breaking off his curve at 1600 RPMs on average. Why is this important? Studies have shown that the higher the RPMs on breaking balls, the more the pitch moves and the higher the swinging strike rate typically is. Across the league, MLB pitchers have a 1500 RPM average (although ESPN/TruMedia’s database suggests it is closer to 1350). On the high end of that spectrum are guys like Oakland’s Sonny Grey (1898 RPM), Seattle’s Felix Hernandez (1858) and Houston’s Collin McHugh (1886).

    It was in discussing McHugh’s acquisition that the Houston Astros shared a little secret in their methodology. According to the Bloomberg article in 2014 entitled “Extreme Moneyball”, the Astros analytics team identified McHugh, who was a castoff from both the Mets and Rockies organization, as a potential target because his curve registered such a high spin rate. McHugh’s curve was reaching nearly 2000 RPM. Duffey’s bender does not reach that strata but it is above average in spin rate nonetheless. Based on the 100 curves thrown, Duffey’s hook resides alongside Los Angeles’ Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke, Washington’s Gio Gonzalez and Arizona’s Jeremy Hellickson.

    Through three starts, Duffey's curve sits among some of the game's best when it comes to spin. Who knows what lies ahead in the career for the big right-handed. Will hitters key in on his patterns? Will his fastball have enough oomph to support his curve? Will his change-up develop as a third option? If nothing else, Duffey's curve will prove to be a very valuable weapon out of the bullpen.

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    It's wicked. It's Ice Cube/Korn Wicked. Non-Twins announcers have been "like What?"

     

    If he adds a changeup that he can throw 10% of the time and continue to control that OKish fastball, he could be very good.

    Funny you should mention that! I believe the Twins have a pitching coach now that happens to specialize the change up!

    Couple things to consider about Duffy;

     

    It's 2015, he was drafted in 2012. College or not, that's a quick climb. And his climb has also been steady, never really stationed/stuck/strands anywhere for long. Just production and climb.

     

    He's still relatively new to being a SP. still learning all the prep and nuisances. And as mentioned, a better change and POOF, an even better pitcher.

     

    I was in favor of the Nolasco signing and the Santana signing. (Verdict is still very much out on Satana) I don't think injury/bad luck is a call for easy 20/20 revisionist history. But right now, I wish there was a way of unloading both without completing killing us, and run with Hughes, Gibson, May, Berrios, Milone and Duffey as out 6 running in to 2016.

     

    Could be good. Could be fun. And could definitely be something to run with for a while.

    Good thing no one did that.

    Pretty sure you used Duffey as an example of the problems with scouting reports? Or was it just coincidence you brought it up in this thread?

     

    Not to mention your dubious claim that "everyone just takes these reports at face value." Just because people cite them doesn't mean they aren't aware of their limitations.

    Edited by spycake

     

    Pretty sure you used Duffey as an example of the problems with scouting reports? Or was it just coincidence you brought it up in this thread?

    Not to mention your dubious claim that "everyone just takes these reports at face value." Just because people cite them doesn't mean they aren't aware of their limitations.

     

    I said it was another small piece of evidence.  And it is.  And, yes, most people do put far too much stock into these reports.

     

    It took two years of near incompetence by Hicks in the OF before anyone would even mention publicly that he wasn't as good as advertised.  People talk about reports with phrases like "we know he'll bring good defense" or "we know he'll take walks" or "we know he has plus stuff".  I would suggest the majority of people that cite these reports don't take them with nearly the grain of salt they should.

     

    It has been two good starts. Which is probably a smaller sample than the scouting reports you claim are invalidated.

     

    Whew.  Good thing I never said they were invalidated either!  Can we be done with the strawmen now?

     

    The point is simple - people don't realize how small a sample most scouts have of the players they profile and should read those reports with a larger grain of salt than they do.

     

    With those bad contracts to Hughes, Nolasco, and now Santana, what do we do with these young starting pitchers?

    Why not start promoting some of that surplus to the bullpen? It can use all the help it can get.  I would even be okay with the team resigning Pelfry if I knew with 100% certainty that he would be a permanent bullpen guy.

    I would bet there is a whole lot of groupthink and consensus opinion that goes into those industry rankings. They are basically accurate but the organizations who rely on them most are not going to have any meaningful advantage. Maybe in some weird way, that does invalidate them. :) I am thinking of the rankings for the amateur draft here.

     

    I'd also bet the Twins knew Duffey had a faster spinning curve than the scouting reports said, and that's why he was promoted somewhat quicker than expected.

    Whew. Good thing I never said they were invalidated either! Can we be done with the strawmen now?

     

    The point is simple - people don't realize how small a sample most scouts have of the players they profile and should read those reports with a larger grain of salt than they do.

    You did say Duffey's two starts were "more evidence" of the imprecision of scouting reports. Just seemed a little premature (and ironic, given your imprecision claim was based on the scouting sample being too small).

     

    Put another way, I don't think a 45 scouting grade means a guy can't occasionally exceed the level. Just like a guy with 45 power can go on a little HR binge, it isn't evidence that the scouting report is necessarily wrong.

     

    If Duffey can keep showing this curve and getting good results from it for a year or two at this level, which we all hope he does, that's the better time to really say the scouting report missed something.

    Edited by spycake



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