Steve Lein

I've read in a few articles that exceptions are capable of being made in a player like Ohani's case. Even that it might be likely because the rule isn't intended to stop what he is, a player universally touted as an MLB-caliber, and quite possibly one of the world's best right now. From what I can tell it's intended to stop big-spending teams from securing a young prospect's rights by offering them what other teams around the league can't (more money). Yoan Moncada, as an example, still spent 2 years in the minors before making his debut. So he was not deemed MLB ready when signed, and none of the 16-year-old Latin players that are signed would be either. These are the types of signings they are trying to curb with the rule, not someone like Ohani.

Does this then include extensions? If it does, this will hurt a team with a young superstar more than it helps...

Okay, so is this why the articles point out that it's screwing over all the young players from Latin America and elsewhere? They're basically saying it's okay for a domestic player to get an MLB contract extension after say, six games in the majors (like Evan Longoria), but not for them? Do you see why this is dumb and why I point out the lack of clarity?

Again, that's on the bonus to get him into your organization. He will be on an MLB roster quickly, if not immediately. At that point he has an MLB contract and the "only can sign a minor league contract" point is moot. Where does it say that he can't sign an extension until he's 25? That is not mentioned anywhere, and seems like a pretty big omission to me, as well as an easy loophole to exploit and leverage.

I don't read anything there that says he couldn't sign an extension. That's the wording that is missing in all these articles. All it takes is one team to say we'll pay you what you would have gotten without the new rules. Show me where that is prevented, as I don't see it. EDIT: I don't doubt it exists somehow, but it literally is not stated anywhere.

What am I missing here? All the articles say this will prevent Otani from coming for three years now, but I'm not quite sure I see why. The cap is on the bonus. I've read that exact wording in several articles, including those linked here and others I've found on my own. What I haven't seen, is why a team couldn't just give the max bonus and then immediately sign him to an MLB contract extension for all the money he is actually worth. Now, I obviously don't see if there is wording in the CBA to prevent this type of thing, but teams don't have to wait a certain amount of time to sign their player's to extensions. Some get them their first year in the majors, or after just six MLB games like Evan Longoria. Otani would be in the majors immediately, so why can't he then immediately get the big contract? Seems to me that would be pretty easy to negotiate on the front end.

Was kind of my assessment of that article as well. Castro is better at the "receiving" part of catching. Perez has always been known for his athleticism and arm behind the plate, not necessarily that part. I think you would do better to look at Baseball Prospectus's use of the stat WARP. Similar to WAR, but also does a lot more things with defensive calculations (I think that's the right stat I'm thinking of, someone correct me if I'm wrong). The case I look at is Yasmani Grandal from last year, a great pitch framer who hit .228/.339/.477 (a weird line bouyed by spike in HR's). Baseball Reference gave him 2.8 WAR for the season, Fangraphs gave him 2.9. Among catchers with 400+ Plate Appearances that WAR value was the 5th best mark in baseball last year (per fangraphs). They gave Salvador Perez 2.7 and 2.2, respectively. You go to Baseball Prospectus, and Grandal's WARP for the season was 6.6, 11th best in all of baseball at ANY position, and only Buster Posey ahead of him as a Catcher (because Posey is a far better hitter). That's an immense difference, and is how much value some think this skill is able to provide to a team (Salvador Perez's WARP, was just 0.77 in comparison, Jason Castro was 2.4).

Burdi made his season debut for Chattanooga on Friday, as the first reliever summoned in relief of starter Matt Tracy. He was left with a tough situation, as four men had already reached base in the inning and two runs had already scored. With a runner on third, Burdi uncorked a wild-pitch leading to a third run and 3-1 lead for Mobile but got the final out of the inning for no further damage. He stayed in the game for the seventh and had a one-two-three inning, punctuating the frame with his first strikeout of the season. 9 of his 15 pitches went for strikes (2 swinging strikes). Against the BayBears on Sunday, Burdi got the seventh inning with Chattanooga leading the game 4-2. He allowed a single to the first batter of the inning, but proceeded to strike out the next three to pick up his first hold of the season. Of his 18 pitches, 13 went for strikes (3 swinging strikes).

As a diabetic who played competitively until tearing my knee up at 28, there is concern with the disease, but this one is the wrong one. I'll spare you the medical jargon, but I inject myself at least 5 times a day: Once with my long-lasting/baseline establishing insulin, then fast acting insulin type any time I consume carbs. I'm old-school, no insulin pump or other high-tech stuff. I am not sure what Kohl's method of treatment is, but I do just fine with mine. If the excuse they or he peddles is he can't see his doctor during the season, that's a bullsh*t one. Family doctors, or even team doctors, should be able to monitor and treat it just fine. I go to see my specialist once every 4-6 months. It is not a complicated disease when you understand it (I adjust my treatments on my own all the time). If the doctors/people they have available to him can't help enough, the team needs to find new doctors, or as you say, actually have them available. The real concern, is the long-term health of his shoulder. Diabetics are prone to issues with it (and joints in general), and I have experienced them first-hand. If Kohl's A1C's test values (gives long-term assessment of how diabetes is being managed. Someone without the disease will be below 6) aren't below 7 as a professional athlete with all the resources he should have available for treatment, that's either a him problem or an organizational one (my last one was 7.1, for reference).

It's a really weird way to get the results he's had and doesn't completely make sense, but he has been consistent. Maybe the 'flash' will never be there from a #4 pick (I hope Falvey can identify something that puts him over that hump), but I think he'll have success as an MLB starter. My experience watching him was that hitters fouled a lot of pitches off. Not a lot of swing and miss, which is actually why he ends up walking more than you like to see (prolonged AB's). Really heavy sinker that when he's commanding it in the zone you're not gonna see anyone square up. Quick run through this box score and the tally was this: Swinging Strikes: 7 Foul Balls: 15 (2 were bunt attempts) 5+ pitch AB's: 7

The 2016 season was one that Nick Burdi would like to put behind him. He started it off by getting an invite to Spring Training with the Major League Team, an early indication that he was somebody the organization believed could help the MLB team at some point during the season. Coaches were impressed with his work even though he made just 3 appearances before being sent across the parking lot at the Century Link Sports Complex. He allowed just one hit and struck out one in those appearances. He started off his season in the bullpen at Chattanooga, but was able to make only 3 appearances there as well before he was forced to succumb to a bone-bruise injury. A set-back in June ended up keeping him out the whole season. Usually, such an injury in baseball for a pitcher is only contributed to taking a hard come-backer, but that was not the case with Burdi. Due to a high effort delivery, the stress on his arm caught up with him and he has taken steps going into this year to prevent it from happening again by tinkering with his mechanics. Drafted in the second round of the 2014 draft, Burdi was expected to be a fast riser as a pure bullpen arm with electric stuff that had dominated elite competition at the NCAA level. He consistently threw 100MPH fastballs by hitters, and a hard slider to go with it allowed him to rack up 141 strikeouts in 95 innings pitch over his three year collegiate career. As a Sophomore and Junior his ERA's were 0.76 and 0.49 respectively, and he amassed 34 saves. With the injury behind him, Burdi joins a talented Chattanooga pitching staff to start the 2017 season and will likely be given both closing and set-up opportunities. If he's found his groove again, an earlier-than-Twins-fans-are-accustomed-to bump to AAA is a possibility. If he was on the 40-man roster I'd say a straight jump to the majors was in the cards too, but we've seen that the new front office has maintained some of the old regimes conservative principles with that roster so far, so he'll have to get to AAA first before he's considered. I've been waiting to see triple digits on Target Field scoreboards since the Twins signed him, and I still believe he is a future closer candidate, it's just taken a bit longer than he and fans have hoped. If he continues blowing away hitters like he always has while also being more consistent in avoiding bouts of wildness, I think Burdi makes his MLB debut this season. Until then, I wonder how many K's he can rack up this year! (Burdi worknig out this Spring - image courtesy of Seth Stohs) Measurables: 24 years old, 6'5", 220 Lbs. Right-handed. Scouting Grades: MLB.com: Fastball: 80 | Slider: 65 | Changeup: 40 | Control: 40 | Fangraphs: Fastball: 70/80 | Slider: 60/70 | Command: 30/40 | Twitter: @NickyBurdi19

I like how I got ridiculed for saying similar things as the scouting report here does. I was told my "bullpen stalwart" floor was a ridiculous by several!

Wonder if they see Escobar and Grossman's career averages of .429 and .400 against Kennedy and say they have to play against him. I hope not, but not sure of another explanation. I think Polanco should be playing. and Grossman needs a DH platoon partner for this exact reason. Also, I don't think a DH should ever be hitting ninth. (FYI - those averages are in less than 20 career AB's vs. Kennedy combined)

Nick Burdi !!!

This pitching staff is insane. Offense will go as Wade, English, Gordon, and Harrison go. Should be a really good team, but hopefully for only about half the year due to all the needed promotions.

Well, those are the types that could make their debut's, right? As for the 40-man roster, I'm not worried about that. I see plenty of guys I would lose exactly zero sleep over if dropping them gets one of these young guys on the team who deserves it. I am definitely with you on trades, I'm just not sure the Twins have the right guys who can complete them. They tried with Dozier (I would have hated a 1-1 swap for De Leon) and didn't hear anything on Santana all offseason. The Twins real assets right now are the one's they shouldn't be getting rid of (Sano, Buxton, Kepler, Berrios, Polanco). Gotta hope some of the veterans (especially pitchers) are able to build value this year.

You're right! And I actually had his capsule written, not sure how I forgot to put that one in!!! As I wrote, the lack of innings makes it hard for me to believe he'll be able to crack the rotation, but it will be a big year for him!

I think you're right with the starters. Lots of potential talent to try, but not really a lot of opportunity... Yet.

Top prospects lists have always one of the most fun things to read in the baseball offseason for me. Whether that’s by checking out the 2017 Prospect Handbook by Twins Daily’s own Seth Stohs and company, the great prospect capsules that are written on this site, or checking out any of the litany of lists available elsewhere, I can’t ever get enough. But because there are so many resources for this type of information, I like to take a little bit of a different look at prospects coming into a new year, and that means throwing out names that you might actually get to see in the majors with the Twins during the upcoming season. Players who made their Major League debut for the Twins in 2016 included pitchers Jose Berrios, Taylor Rogers, J.T. Chargois, Pat Dean, Alex Wimmers, and Adalberto Mejia. Byungho Park and James Beresford made their debuts on the position player front, and all of these players besides Mejia, who came over in the Eduardo Nunez trade during the season, were players I profiled in this column before the 2016 season started. From that list of debuts, only Rogers and Mejia made the opening day roster, but Berrios, Chargois, Wimmers, and Park all likely will make an impact with the major league team at some point during the upcoming season. With Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Jorge Polanco, and Eddie Rosoria already being established in the majors, there’s not a ton of talent represented in this list on the position player front, but there is a bunch of ready or nearly ready pitching that could finally break through and begin to transform the Twins pitching staff that has been in desperate need of it for several seasons. So for 2017, who are the potential next Minnesota Twins? Justin Haley – RHP (TD’s #20 Twins Prospect) I’ll start with the gimme pick. Haley represents the almost yearly Rule 5 draft prospect that is likely to debut right off the bat for the Twins as they can’t send him to the minors without working out a trade. The Twins didn’t make a Rule 5 selection last year, but in 2015 it was J.R. Graham who came over from the Atlanta Braves. Haley is likely to play a similar role out of the Twins bullpen as Graham did, that of a long-man and spot-starter. There’s not much more upside to him than that, but he has a good track record of performance in the minor leagues and is ready to contribute in the majors. He finished the 2016 season with a 3.01 ERA in 146.2 innings pitched across AA and AAA, and was fantastic the offseason leagues, allowing just one earned run in 23 additional innings. Haley didn’t do anything this Spring to lose a spot on the roster, and there is a good chance you could see him make his debut against the Kansas City Royals at Target Field in the first series of the 2017 season. Stephen Gonsalves – LHP (TD’s #2 Twins Prospect) Gonsalves has done nothing but dominate the minor leagues every step of the way thus far in his career, and is likely to start the 2017 season in AAA just one final step away from making his MLB debut. His “stuff” has always been talked about as being behind his results, but eventually you have to accept the idea that he might just be pretty good at what he does. He saw a bump in his walk rate when he made the move to AA last season (4.5/9IP), but that also came with a jump in his strikeout rate (10.8/9IP) and a sterling 8-1 record and 1.82 ERA over thirteen starts. Don’t expect to ever see him lighting up radar guns, as a low-90’s fastball is likely the best you’ll ever see when he’s on the mound, but always remember to consider there’s more to a pitch and pitcher than just pure velocity. I’ve started to think of him as a left-handed Brad Radke-type, and while he walks far more than Radke ever did (3.5 BB/9IP vs. 2.0BB/9IP in the minors), he’s also struck out more (9.7K/9IP vs. 7.0K/9IP) with a superior WHIP. He had some shoulder trouble that kept him out most of the AFL season, and this came up again this Spring, but he was back to pitching on the Minor League side of the field before camp broke. If he continues as he has in the regular season throughout his MiLB career a mid-summer debut is certainly achievable for the young left-hander. Zack Granite – OF (TD’s #16 Twins prospect) If you really know your Twins prospects, Zach Granite is a guy that should remind you a lot of the career path of a current Minnesota Twins star, Brian Dozier. Both were below the radar college draftees (8th round for Dozier, 14th round for Granite) that weren’t necessarily expected to make an impact in the majors. Dozier did so by reinventing himself as a hitter once he reached the majors (his 42 home runs last year were more than double his career total in the minors over 365 games), and while I don’t believe that’s remotely possible with Granite, he brings a different skill set to the table. Granite was named the Twins 2016 Minor League Player of the Year after hitting .295/.347/.382 and leading the minors in stolen bases with 56 on the season. Granite’s plus speed also benefits him on defense, where he is an excellent center fielder and was able to show the major league staff some of his skills there this Spring. Added to the 40-man roster in the offseason, Granite will start in AAA and is likely high on the pecking order for a fill-in outfielder in the majors when the need arises. Nick Burdi – RHP (TD’s #17 Twins prospect) Nobody would be more disappointed with how their 2016 season went than Nick Burdi. After making an impression in Spring Training with the MLB team, he was able to make just three appearances with Chattanooga before a bone bruise in his pitching arm put him on the shelf. A setback in June proved to be the nail in his 2016 coffin, and he comes into the 2017 season looking to do the same things he’d hoped for a year earlier. He’s been trying out an alteration to his pitching mechanics in an effort to stay healthier moving forward, and reports from Spring Training still have him throwing in the high-90’s like he always has. Burdi is the definition of a power pitcher, and if you enjoyed seeing J.T. Chargois or Ryan Pressly hitting 95+ on the radar gun last year, you’ll enjoy seeing triple digits even more. Burdi also brings a high velocity slider with bite, and even if he’s walking a few batters, that combination will continue to rack up strikeouts in the majors. While it’s taken a little longer than he or a lot of fans had hoped, I still believe there’s potential Burdi is closing games for Twins in the future. Tyler Jay – LHP (TD’s #5 Twins prospect) Another pitcher who could be closing games for the Twins in the future is left-hander Tyler Jay. Drafted number six overall during the 2015 season, the Twins had visions of turning Jay into a starter despite performing in that role very little during his collegiate career. After what some would call an underwhelming year of development as a starter in the system, this Spring the new front office quickly identified this was not how they would like to proceed with him, announcing they’d be moving him into the bullpen to put him on a faster track to the majors. Back in 2015 I wrote the draft profile on Jay for Twins Daily, and much of what I wrote about there hasn’t changed. Starting in the future has not been completely ruled out by the Twins, but he could be an impact arm in the bullpen much sooner. Many will complain that he’s a top-10 pick that now may only ever be a reliever, but he could be an elite one with his stuff who also has the ability to go multiple innings when needed (as a junior in college, over half his appearances were 1+ innings). Think something like playoff Andrew Miller-Light. I believe the move to the bullpen was made so Jay could make an impact this year if he’s performing. He’ll be back in Chattanooga to start the year, but I would not be surprised if he’s bumped to AAA early in the summer and making a case for the majors before September rolls around. Daniel Palka – OF/DH (TD’s #14 Twins Prospect) To this point Daniel Palka is perhaps most famous for being the guy the Twins received in a trade for catcher/outfielder Chris Herrmann, but there’s a reason many believe that was a great trade for the Twins. Herrmann was admirable in the role the Arizona Diamondbacks employed him in 2016 (he hit .284/.352/.493 as the backup catcher and outfielder in 56 games), but Palka brings an elite skill to the plate with his power. His 34 home runs across double and triple-A were good for fourth in all of the minor leagues, and he was named Twins Daily’s 2016 Hitter of the Year for his efforts. His first exposure to AAA proved to be a challenge, as he hit just .232 in 54 games with 86 K’s, but he also slugged a robust .483 on those hits and will look to improve his plate discipline in 2017. He was added to the 40-man roster in the offseason and if and when there is a need for a power bat or a fill-in corner-outfielder, Palka could be the guy who gets the call. I see a September call-up as a more realistic scenario for Palka, but like Adam Walker before him, he will have to show an improved approach in AAA to make the necessary impression. Engelb Vielma – SS/IF (TD’s #18 Twins Prospect) Engelb Vielma is an especially intriguing prospect given how the Twins have handled the shortstop position in the majors over the past several seasons. They currently have Jorge Polanco manning the spot, and while his offensive punch has proved an asset in his short time, his defense at short has not. Vielma is the opposite. His defense gets universally rave reviews from scouts and is well known for making the flashy plays with his slick glove and plus arm from the hole, but there isn’t a great profile as a hitter. While he’s shown an ability to make contact, there is little to no semblance of power as evidenced by his .636 career OPS in the minors. If defense at short becomes a priority as the season goes on, Vielma will be the guy who gets the call, but it is also more likely he makes his impact as a utility infielder who actually has the chops to make a difference with defense, as opposed to someone like say, Danny Santana. If he’s getting on-base at a clip around .330 or above, he can provide enough offensive value, but I don’t think he’ll ever have a slugging percentage that eclipses that number. Jake Reed - RHP Another reliever with a mid-90’s arm, Reed spent the bulk of the 2016 in AA with the Chattanooga Lookouts, but ended his season by making nine appearances with the Rochester Red Wings. He creates some deception with an unorthodox looking delivery that includes a low arm slot, and although he’s not yet on the 40-man roster, results will get him to the majors at some point this year. Mason Melotakis - LHP Melotakis career thus far perhaps should have made the Twins learn their lesson much earlier, that drafting relievers and turning them into starters or bouncing players between those roles doesn’t work, both in results and overall pitcher health. Melotakis missed the 2015 season due to Tommy John surgery after being drafted as a reliever, spending a year as a starter, then returning to the bullpen. The Twins took it easy on Melotakis last season, as he did not appear in back-to-back games on any occasion, but should be ready to show off his mid-90’s velocity from the left-side at full capacity this year. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start in AA again, but like several others in this list he’s an early bump candidate. Randy Rosario - LHP Rosario is another lefty that can bring mid-90’s velocity, and while he was a starter for his first five years in the Twins system, in 2016 he made his final nine appearances out of the bullpen at Fort Myers and then Chattanooga, along with his stint in the Arizona Fall League. This Spring after a brief stay with the Major League team, it was made official that Rosario would also be moved to the bullpen for the 2017 season, a role he also said he prefers. He will start 2017 with the Lookouts. D.J. Baxendale – RHP My first of a few darkhorse picks, Baxendale is a lesson to me in why you don’t ever need to put a successful collegiate starter in any league below the advanced single-A level after signing them. After he was drafted, he demolished rookie league and Midwest League hitters before doing the same to Florida State League hitters the next season and getting promoted to AA. For the next three years he languished at that level trying to put it all together as a starter, before finally getting the bump to AAA to end last season. Only thing was, all twenty-three of his appearances there came out of the bullpen. In that role he raised his strikeout rate into territory it hadn’t been since the low-levels, and was pitching in higher leverage roles as the season finished. He allowed just five earned runs in 35.0 innings with Rochester. Although he didn’t get an invite to MLB camp in Spring Training and he’s also not yet on the 40-man roster, it will be hard to ignore similar numbers out of the bullpen in 2017 when almost nobody in the major league ‘pen is a sure thing. Trevor Hildenberger - RHP All Hildenberger has done is his MiLB career, is put up numbers. In his three seasons he holds a 1.47 ERA, has struck out 10.5/9IP, and walked just 1.1/9IP with an otherworldly 0.82 WHIP. He’s also racked up 46 saves. Hildenberger reminds me a lot of Pat Neshek, both in their deliveries (side-winders) and the results, though Hildenberger has been noticeably better in the minors in comparison. There is a reason he has been named Twins Daily’s Minor League Relief Pitcher of the Year the past two seasons, and barring injury you should see him join the bullpen carousel at some point in 2017. LaMonte Wade – OF (TD’s #15 Twins Prospect) Another darkhorse pick on this list for 2017, Wade is an outfielder who does a little bit of everything, despite not necessarily having a tool that stands out. He gets on base, plays good defense, and in general seems to impact every game in a different way. Many might try to tell you something has to give at some point, but it’s hard to ignore an .868 OPS over his first two seasons. He missed some time in 2016 to injury but should start the year in Chattanooga with an outside chance for an appearance in September if he continues performing in several facets of the game as he has thus far in his career. Niko Goodrum – UT Goodrum got a lot of run with the major league team this Spring Training and made appearances all over the diamond. He’s been slow to develop, but the talent the Twins saw in the 2nd round of the 2010 draft has started to show the last two seasons in AA. His path to the majors at this point is a utility role much like Danny Santana’s, and if he continues to show improvements in AAA their roles quite easily could be swapped at some point in 2017. Nick Gordon – SS (TD’s #4 Twins Prospect) I don’t really believe Nick Gordon will reach the majors at any point in 2017 other than a not that likely cup of coffee in September, but he’ll start the season in AA and I don’t see him staying there the whole season like he has in Cedar Rapids and Fort Myers the last two years. At this point I still think many evaluators are underrating his bat, and while I think his defense lags a bit behind, I do believe he is the shortstop of the future and will bring a much better overall package than the other names mentioned on this list at the position. Fernando Romero - RHP (TD's #1 Twins Prospect) Romero isn't as well known as he should be in prospect circles, but that will change in the upcoming season. He's gone under the radar because he missed nearly two full seasons due to Tommy John surgery. He was ready to go at the start of the 2016 season and made it through with no further issues, however he was handled with kid gloves as he pitched just 90.1 innings. If you're looking for a future ace in the Twins system, Romero is your guy. He's not tall but has size (6'0", 215+ lbs) which allows him to maintain mid-90's velocity throughout his starts, and he is capable of dialing it up to 100MPH. That velocity combined with with average to above-average flashing secondary pitches with room for further improvement give him plenty of projection. Due to his lack of innings, I don't think he'll be able to crack the Twins rotation this year, but a stint out of the bullpen when he's close to any imposed innings limit is not out of the question. 2017 could be a big year for Romero's national profile, but 2018 is when you can really expect big things in Minnesota. Kohl Stewart – RHP (TD’s #8 Twins Prospect) My final darkhorse pick for this season, my thought process here is much like the one I used to include Alex Wimmers on this list last a year ago. Stewart might have an even bigger hurdle to jump first because of the general belief he can’t strike people out, but I always like to point out his MiLB career ERA is better than another prospect who got far more acclaim for that type of thing in Jose Berrios. I’m not quite sure what has held Stewart back from maintaining his top-5 pick allure in his career thus far, but I can’t ignore the observations I hear from numerous sources about him: he has the stuff. That stuff includes a heavy fastball that he can alter to reach into the mid-90’s when he wants to, a vast repertoire of off-speed pitches, and competitive demeanor that check a lot of big-league talent boxes. Is 2017 the season he can maintain consistency? I think so. So there you have it, my picks for Twins prospects who you could see making their Major League debut at Target Field during the 2017 season. Who do you think will make their MLB debut for the Twins this season, and when?

Yup. I'm surprised more guys that get shifted on don't do this. Probably because they are terrible bunters, but if a team is giving you the base, take it. As for Buxton, I still say he's a guy who can go 20/20/20/20 (look up that list of players), but I only think that happens if he's batting leadoff. Batting third would put too many guys clogging the bases in front of him to rack up that many triples. I'll go .265/.325/.485. 30 2B's, 10 3B's, 20 HR's, and he'll be the reason you go to watch Twins games this year.

This is not the best team they could bring north. I was hoping for an opening day roster that gave indications of changes in philosophy from Falvey and Levine that I liked. This is not that.

They're well beyond when they should have been moving Duffey to the 'pen (I've been preaching that since he was starting in the minors). He'd be closing for them this year if they had. That said, if he's the 5th starter, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. I would have gave up on Tonkin. Love Wimmers' story, but he doesn't need to break camp with team. Haven't been that impressed with Haley, but ST is ST, let him make his case to stick in real game action. There are going to be so many changes to the bullpen this year I don't think it really matters who goes north right now.

No, they're not. Kolby Allard is the only one that appears nearly that high on lists, and he's barely out of rookie ball.

Yup, I've pointed this out in other threads. Go through the first round pitchers from that season. There is not a single one I would say has worked out better than Jay has so far, even if you call what has gone on with him disparaging or whatever. Fulmer made the majors with the White Sox last year, but it wasn't based on how well he was doing in the minors (He would still be at AA under the Twins old regime). I highly doubt the Twins were even considering Benintendi given their depth of outfielders that were on the cusp of the majors, and he wouldn't be in the majors with the Twins yet either (partly because of that depth already there).

I charted him back in 2014 with Cedar Rapids: http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins-minor-leagues/color-me-and-joe-mauer-impressed-r2962 To quote: "If you go by the “+2” rule everybody in the know talks about with the Veteran Memorial Stadium radar gun, Thorpe sat 91-93MPH all night with his fastball (from the windup and stretch), and touched 95. His curveball was sharp and came in around 75, while the changeup sat around 80 and the slider at 84."