I think he's probably going to be a little over 4 ERA for the year and somewhere around that for his career. I think that would make him a very nice #2 guy in the rotation but they'll still be missing a staff ace. So i'd say he'll be a 4.20 ERA type of pitcher from year to year, +/- about 0.25. So he's probably a #2-#3 type of pitcher I think, talent wise. If you can get guys like that out the Rule 5 draft you're pretty happy with it.