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I concur about the "hollowness" of the message to Twins fans. On Conspiracy Theories, I don't think the Twins were trying to ruin Baker, more like they were in bitter, self-preservation, CYA mode when their No. 1 pitching option going into 2012 was going down the tubes, which they possibly felt could have had some of the residual blame layed at their feet due to poor medical treatment. I think your second sentence was where I was primarily headed in the well-poisoning perception- coming more from the Scott Baker camp. LOL about Liriano.
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I dunno. Your statement implies that Meyer is a sure thing. Sano definitely isn't even a sure thing at this point. Both have question marks left to erase from their resumes. Wil Myers was far closer to a sure thing and the trade would have looked even better if Twins could have found a way to get Wade Davis in the deal- he has turned out to be a top-notch set-up man. I would say getting Shields locked up to the end of his effective career would have been the bridge to the next wave of talent, improved the immediate outlook, affordably, over 2013 and 14- and encouraged the rest of the players in the league to sit up and take notice that the Twins are serious about becoming relevant again. By direct contrast to the basket of question marks in paragraph one, Shields is pretty much a sure thing. He's averaged nearly 4.0 WAR over the last 6 seasons, giving you 200+ quality innings and 33 starts (5 years in a row) standing on his head. Only 4 guys have pitched more innings during that time. Shields is very cheap for '13 and '14. He just turned 31 in December, which means a 4-year extension out to 2018 would have Shields at the top of the rotation through his age 36 year, fit within the very low projected payroll after 2014, coincide when the impact prospects are becoming key (and very cheap!) key cogs in 2015, AND close his contract out the same year as Mauer. Did I mention that it now will be much easier to match or exceed his numbers pitching in the AL Central vs. the meat-grinding AL East, plus the addition of at least a couple starts vs. the Astros?
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Care to speculate on their final WAR rankings? Marcum has averaged 2.6 WAR over the last 3 seasons, Correia has averaged 0.27 WAR.
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Don't you think that the well was already poisoned by the Twins FO in the ways they mishandled Baker's injury? ( ie., Multiple misdiagnoses and the Publicl whispering campaign that Baker wasn't "manning up" and pitching through the pain). BTW, I always meant to ask you if the snickering about the Correia deal has died down yet in Pittsburgh...
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Hey bird! I've been waiting for you to pipe in on the offseason, thus far. I give you great credit for honesty about the utter failure it has been, thus far. PS- I'd still be happy to do cartwheels and sing TR's praises from the rooftops before the season opener, but with what's left to be picked over and/or acquired in trade makes even a meek "I told you so" a pathetically sad gesture about this once-proud franchise.
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Your question therefore is incompetent, just like the signing of Correia. The acquisition of the 3 young prospects said that they were giving up on the present year and 2014. Signing a well below mediocre pitcher- for 2 years to boot- in the 2 year interim flies in the face of the rebuild logic from the first 2 trades. Why shouldn't most of the complaints come back to Correia? Ryan himself, just this week, delivered a sheepish mea culpa and pre-shifted the inevitable blame on this ludicrous signing to some unknown men behind the curtain. Incompetence, asleep at the wheel, time passed him by, pretzel logic, however it is phrased, the criticism of the Twins FO and ownership is well-placed and deserved.
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Troll-strike, yet again. Shifting definitions and declarative intentions more frequently than a Sahara sand dune. Upgrading your rotation (the single most important and fastest way in improving the W-L bottom line) with a quality asset actually valued by the rest of the league, one player at a time, is just a fool's errand on the part of TR./sarc
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Is this a serious question? Past 3 years of WAR accumulation, IP and age: Marcum 7.8 (age 31) 520 IP McCarthy 6.6* (age 29) 282 IP [*523] (WAR # achieved in 2 seasons, as he missed 2010/ adjusted average projection) Correia 0.8 (age 32) 470 IP
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I agree with your take on this take and have been advocating this for the last 2 years. Welcome over to the dark ("smug") side.
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Article: For Better or Worse: Trevor Plouffe
jokin replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Plouffie's worth a try there, but that would require filling the vacated hole and getting Inge, Kennedy or Bartlett to play 3B, so what would be the net gain? OTOH, this scenario would be the perfect way to try Mauer out at 3B, platooning with an Escobar or Dozier to still give Mauer his 70 games or so behind the plate. Regardless, Plouffe appeared to break out at the plate and lose his "happy feet" in the field when he got settled in at Third pre-injury. -
That's a long, long grasp for positivity straws ....2019? The days of 5000 angst-ridden remaining fans in the stands would be upon us way before then...
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.....And at first, kept attacking those who stayed steadfast in their prediction that they were going into slo-mo payroll immolation, promises notwithstanding.
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Gibson, Pelfrey and Hicks quite possibly won't even be on the 25-man out of the gate. Worley probably will, but is coming off of September elbow surgery, so his initial level of effectiveness is in some doubt. Would a breakout opening to the season with the rest of this list cause the Twins to go out and acquire more pieces and jeopardize the "plan" for the future? Unlikely. I dion't think anyone's saying "they won't" have a chance to play above expectations, but the FO hasn't exactly done the things needed to have another option beside the "best-case scenario" to be even incrementally better than last year.
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Absolutely. It's the obvious move, the right move, the affordable move (even with an overbid to get him), which is why they won't do it. I don't think anyone is under any illusions that the Twins can make a worst-to-first run like in 1990. An aggressive attempt to get Shields in trade w/ an extension, plus a 2nd tier signee like Marcum should have been doable and would have produced an-above average rotation and still left room to get some MI help with a $100M payroll. This would have meant no Meyer, but still would have left the door open for acquiring Worley and May. This would have been more than enough elixir to provide the true "hope" and "positivity" that the homers are falsely claiming has been achieved this offseason
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Nick, this is a post where I am in full agreement with you, don't forget, in addition to the $25M, they also were freed up from their commitment to Span, so, they had well over $30M to build for the future- and build some enthusiasm and hope for the present- cynically choosing not to do so....this from a team that promised us the days of being unable to compete with the big-market teams was over. BTW, there's a "boy in the plastic bubble" just above you, apparently lightheaded from the rarefied air pumping through his very own homer dome. Pseudo, I enjoy conversing with you, but this time you've gone 2 compressed oxygen tanks of "positivity" too far.
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It's like oldnurse had a son and named him Pseudo...
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I guess I'm still waiting for you to stop banging your head against the wall and come up with one. Your constant penchant for perjorative indicates you are in the idea-dearth zone. I directly quoted from your post, using the very phrases that indicated you are highly dependent on "hope" and "wishful thinking" regarding the Twins near future.
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Ahh, I see, so another Pseudo-KC Royals-like fan- when your only reasons for optimism are full of hope and wishful thinking- I see a team in trouble for the upcoming season. I showed that, at best, TR has a Chinese wall between his draft scouts and major league scouts. His trade for Meyer was when Ryan came out and said that it is "impossible" to acquire a high-end hard-thrower above Single A ball. He drafted hard throwers but didn't pony up for a Shields via trade or make a competitive offer on a decent FA SP. This directly implied that he would NEVER pay up on the FA market for the ML equivalent despite the gaping available salary space and had a definite problem pulling the trigger on a proven #1-2 starter via trade from the Twins positions of strength. (Was Span and a Top Ten prospect doable for Shields, or not? Shields days are numbered in Tampa.) See there, I linked the dots for you, no charge.
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Uhh, no it wasn't, and I know you know that. And Correia seems to have "less than perfect" as a rather frequent problem down pat.
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You are treading on dangerous ground, TR has assessed and addressed this "non-issue"./sarc
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You keep on going on like this and you're liable to make yourself persona non grata amongst those in "the mythical apologists fan club'
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I believe that phrase is the very definition of "damning with faint praise". Being an eternal optimist, I "trust in TR" , he apparently believes he can get something close to a 2009 year out of Correia, adjusted for the AL, which would put him well above your projections. Hopefully, he is thinking he can get a great half-season out of Correia coming into a league unfamiliar with his stuff and can deal him before the deadline Unfortunately, there are 3 intervening years of mediocrity between that year and this, coupling that with the Twins defense, 200/4.75 seems to be the projection that's too optimistic.
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Just think, if we also sign "bulldog" Saunders to a long-term deal, we can factor in more than double the innings of guys "slightly better than #5 level starters" for at least 2 more years!
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And I can give you at least a dozen who match or exceed Correia's FB speed with much better stats. But we still have an ongoing love-fest in Saunders (4.38xFIP), who has a lower 3-year xFIP than Correia (4.26xFIP). Pseudo, I didn't say simple incompetence, since you aren't "glib", I asked YOU to determine why they are doing what they're doing at the Major League level, you posited the original speculative surmise on "graduation".
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Article: Seth's 2013 Top 30 Twins Prospects
jokin replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Thanks Seth! It's been a long time since many of us have been more excited about what's coming up soon in the system versus the opening of spring training knowing the same-old-same-olds will be the ones ultimately heading North. Gotta think that your articles this upcoming season are going to frequently be "first-reads" over the ML results.