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    Who Says No? Trevor Plouffe Edition


    Seth Stohs

    We’re back for another round of Who Would Say No? After considering a potential long-term deal for 2B Brian Dozier yesterday, we’ll now consider the merits of a long-term contract for Twins third baseman Trevor Plouffe. Look at his numbers and consider what you would do. Leave your comments in the forum.

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    As Thanksgiving approaches, Twins third baseman Trevor Plouffe has to be quite thankful. In the last week, two third baseman have signed contracts for at least $95 million. Kyle Seager got $100 million to buy out all three arbitration years and four years of free agency. Pablo Sandoval left the Giants for Beantown, and $95 million.

    Seager was coming off of a season in which he played in his first All-Star game. He is arbitration-eligible for the first time this year. Sandoval was a free agent, having won three World Series rings in San Francisco and playing terrifically in this Fall Classic. Plouffe is in his second of four arbitration seasons and had a very solid season, his best yet. Below are two ways to look at and compare the numbers of the three third basemen, 2014 stats and a three-year (2012-14) glimpse.

    2014 Statistical Comparison

    • Trevor Plouffe (age 28) - .258/.328/.423 (.751), 110 OPS+, 40-2B, 14-HR, 80 RBI
    • Kyle Seager (age 26) - .268/.334/.454 (.788), 127 OPS+, 27-2B, 25-HR, 96 RBI
    • Pablo Sandoval (age 27) - .279/.324/.415 (.739), 111 OPS+, 26-2B, 16-HR, 73 RBI

    Seager clearly had the best year, and Sandoval and Plouffe basically had the same year. Now let’s look at the three-year numbers for the three players:

    • Trevor Plouffe – .249/.314/.422 (.736), 103 OPS+, 81-2B, 52-HR, 187 RBI
    • Kyle Seager – .262/.329/.434 (.764), 118 OPS+, 94-2B, 67-HR, 251 RBI
    • Pablo Sandoval – .280/.335/.424 (.759), 116 OPS+, 78-2B, 42-HR, 215 RBI

    Again, the Kyle Seager contract isn’t looking so bad anymore, is it? Although he might be lesser-known in Seattle, he has been good for three years and was very good as a 26-year-old in 2014. Sandoval and Plouffe were very similar in 2014, but Sandoval certainly has more of a track record and more consistency in recent years.

    So, before anyone puts (or thinks I am putting) Trevor Plouffe in the same category as Sandoval and Seager, just don’t. He’s not that, though he’s not far behind. Third base is no longer the power position that it was five years ago. In fact, second base is more of an offensive position in the league now than third base, or at least it has more star-caliber players. However, the two third baseman being signed certainly makes relevant the question of whether the Twins should lock up Plouffe for an extended period.

    Of course, the proverbial elephant in the proverbial room comes in the form of Miguel Sano. One of baseball’s top prospects, the third baseman missed all of 2014 following Tommy John surgery. Sano will be up at some point, whether it’s in 2015 or early in 2016. I have little doubt that he can play third base. He has the quickness and has a very strong arm (even after Tommy John). The question is, would Trevor Plouffe or Miguel Sano switch positions? Which one would be better in left field at that time? Those are all questions for later, but when it comes to an extension for Plouffe, it does factor into the equation. So does the fact that statistically Trevor Plouffe turned into a very good defensive third baseman in 2014.

    So, if Trevor Plouffe were to put up just his 2014 numbers for the next few years, what could he make? Here are some estimates:

    • 2015 (age 29): 2nd year arbitration-eligible, Plouffe would likely jump to about $4-5 million.
    • 2016 (age 30): 3rd year arbitration-eligible, Plouffe would likely jump to $8-10 million.
    • 2017 (age 31): 4th year arbitration-eligible, Plouffe would likely jump to $12-13 million.
    • 2018 (age 32): Free Agent

    Those estimates are again assuming that he just puts up similar numbers to what he did in 2014. Of course, if he continues to improve, those numbers could go up some. The other side is if he gets hurt or declines, he could be a trade or non-tender candidate. What happens if he moves to left field? Would that affect these numbers? That’s what makes these long-term contracts risky for both sides.

    This paragraph is the same as yesterday and obviously would go into every decision: I included the season and age just because those are likely part of the discussion and part of the equation and thought-process for such decisions as well. Other factors that come into play include the character of the player, some intangibles, and how will that player handle the security? That’s a big one. Will he sit back and quit working after signing the guaranteed contract, or will he use the security to really push himself to greatness? There’s no way to know, but those thoughts have to run through the collective mind of a front office.

    WHO WOULD SAY NO?

    So, what I’ve done is put together a contract offer for the Twins front office and for Trevor Plouffe and his agent to consider (hypothetically). My question today for the Twins Daily audience is, Who Says No?

    • 2015: $5 million.
    • 2016: $8 million
    • 2017: $10 million
    • 2018: $12 million
    • 2019: $13 million option with a $1 million buyout.
    • 4 year, $36 million contract with a $13 million option to get through his age 33 season.

    So, the question is there for discussion… Who says No? Or do they both say Yes?

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    From MLBTR last night,

     

    The Twins had yet to discuss a multiyear contract with Trevor Plouffe up to Tuesday’s tender deadline, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press tweets.  Plouffe is arbitration-eligible for the second time this winter and is projected to receive a $4.3MM salary in 2015 by MLBTR’s Matt Swartz.  Since Plouffe is a Super Two player with two more arb years left beyond this one, it makes sense that the Twins will eventually explore obtaining some cost certainty, though it might not be this winter given that Plouffe fractured his forearm in September.

    I don't see how that first statement makes sense.  Teams sign these extensions because they get those seasons, likely on options, at below free agent market values.  That's very tradeable.

     

    Players entering the decline phase doesn't mean they can't be valuable MLB contributors.  The line of reasoning here seems to suggest there is rarely value in having an MLB player that has entered the typical, age-induced decline.  Teams need to be aware of it, but not necessarily completely avoid it -- particularly if they can get their players extended on team options that give them the flexibility to either retain the player if there is still excess value or let them become a free agent if not.

    I wrote this elsewhere...

     

    Extending a very good player like Donaldon or Carpenter through 33 makes sense because they have room for decline with their career OPS+ of 125. They are likely to still be a valuable player. Plouffe has a career OPS+ of 99 at a similar spot in his career. It is much less likely that he will be a valuable player. He has little room for decline.

    Plouffe has a career OPS+ of 99 at a similar spot in his career. It is much less likely that he will be a valuable player.

    I think the potential for an extension with Plouffe would have far more to do with the market for decent 3Bs and his 2014 season than his career OPS+.

    I think the potential for an extension with Plouffe would have far more to do with the market for decent 3Bs and his 2014 season than his career OPS+.

     

    I don't think you give a guy 4-35 or 5-48 when it is unclear where he plays as early as this June.  Especially since we don't have to make that decision before we have a much clearer picture.

    oh hey did everyone forget that Plouffe broke his arm at the end of the year?

     

    I realize that he had successful surgery on it already and is expected to be ready to go for spring training, But I noticed that no one mentioned that his season ended with a broken forearm - it's possible that this will have a lasting effect on his hitting. 

     

    I remain in the camp that the Twins should not look to extend him this offseason, the broken arm was just one more reason that I had forgotten about.




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