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    Here Is What War Projections Say About the Twins and White Sox


    Cooper Carlson

    The Chicago White Sox have been the most aggressive team in baseball this offseason. With key additions to their lineup and their rotation, they are looking like a possible threat to the Twins. Do the Twins and their fans need to be worried about losing the AL Central crown to Chicago?

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    The offseason has not exactly been satisfying or encouraging for Twins fans. While they did re-sign Jake Odorizzi, Michael Pineda, and Sergio Romo, the only additions have been Alex Avila and Tyler Clippard. When compared to the White Sox it is easy to see why fans (I'm looking at you, dad) are frustrated.

    White Sox offseason additions:

    • Dallas Keuchel: 3 years/$55 million
    • Gio Gonzalez: 1 year/$5 million
    • Yasmani Grandal: 4 years/$73 million
    • Edwin Encarnacion: 1 year/$12 million
    • Nomar Mazara: Acquired from Texas

    This comes with re-signing first baseman Jose Abreu to a 3 year/$50 million contract earlier in the offseason. So the White Sox have made additions while the Twins have yet to really make their “big move” we are hoping for. What does projected fWAR say abou the two teams in 2020?

    White Sox vs Twins projected fWAR in 2020

    Position players: Twins (25.4 fWAR), White Sox (23.2)

    Starting pitching: Twins (10.3), White Sox (10.7)

    Bullpen: Twins (3.7), White Sox (2.2)

    Total: Twins (39.4 fWAR), White Sox (36.1 fWAR)

    So the projections basically say the White Sox are right there with the Twins and they have become a legitimate threat in 2020. There are two reasons I would take the projections lightly and not overthink anything.

    First, the Twins had a total fWAR of 54.9 last season. The projections expect them to lose 20 wins, basically. Second, the Twins will add more pieces to their team, whether it’s Josh Donaldson, and/or trading for a starting pitcher or two. The Twins aren’t done and they are still projected more wins than Chicago. For an excellent analysis on the WAR for each team last season, check out this

    Chicago will be relying on the same formula the Twins used to win 101 games last season. Add impact veterans via free agency and have their young core step up in a big way. This includes their No. 1 prospect Luis Robert and their No. 2 prospect Michael Kopech, both of whom are expected to have a big impact in 2020. They will also need repeat performances from Tim Anderson who is due for a load of regression and Yoan Moncada after he finished 15th in position player fWAR at 5.7.

    They basically won 72 games last year (69 pythag) with career years from Anderson, Moncada, and Giolito that could all see some regression. Expecting them to make the jump to the Twins level is unlikely. It’s not impossible, but they are nowhere close to being the “favorites” to win the central. An 18-win jump to get them to 90 wins is where I would put their ceiling for 2020 and honestly that should be the Twins floor.

    The White Sox have had a great offseason and are likely the most improved team. The Twins have not made any real impact additions to this point and are still projected to be better despite losing 20 wins according to WAR projections. Minnesota will add a couple more players to make them even better, and the White Sox are likely close to being finished. What do you think about the White Sox? Can they overtake the Twins in 2020? Let me know what you think below.

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    I think left field on your fangraphs page means left field not the left side of the field. DRS then would be worse because of a whole lot of factors. fly balls, arm, etc.

    No, it means left side, as opposed to up the middle or right side.

     

    You can see this by just taking the total MLB pitching split for groundballs, where it shows 53167 total batters faced.

     

    If you then add left field to the groundball split, you get a subset of 20374 TBF. Do the same for center, you get 17153, or right, 15640. Add those 3 together, and you get the same 53167. So every groundball in their system is also tagged with either left, center, or right. There is no distinction between "infield" or "outfield" groundballs.

     

    Edit to add: And back to the White Sox specifically, you can look at the advanced fielding stats for Tim Anderson and see that in 2019, he was much closer to average in range (RngR) than in errors (ErrR). He was also above average in double plays (DPR or rGDP). That profile is consistent with preventing hits at a league average rate, but having below average DRS/UZR metrics.

     

    https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tim-anderson/15172/stats?position=SS#fieldingadvanced

     

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/glossary/

    Lost in all of this is whether or not Buxton and Sano, who I think are already on the Twins' roster, can finally stay active for an entire season and live up to their potential. That in itself would be a plus. In 2019 The Twins won 101 games as a team and simply did not perform against the Yankees. Looking for miracles on the free agent market would guarantee nothing and could possibly be a disruption. Its hard to improve over 101 wins and the idea of projecting a mythical roster into the playoffs is a mistake. It could also be a fact that this years Yankees really are unbeatable no matter what the Twins or any other team do so why bother. Just be happy you are not in the East and play ball.

     

    No, it means left side, as opposed to up the middle or right side.

     

    You can see this by just taking the total MLB pitching split for groundballs, where it shows 53167 total batters faced.

     

    If you then add left field to the groundball split, you get a subset of 20374 TBF. Do the same for center, you get 17153, or right, 15640. Add those 3 together, and you get the same 53167. So every groundball in their system is also tagged with either left, center, or right. There is no distinction between "infield" or "outfield" groundballs.

     

    Edit to add: And back to the White Sox specifically, you can look at the advanced fielding stats for Tim Anderson and see that in 2019, he was much closer to average in range (RngR) than in errors (ErrR). He was also above average in double plays (DPR or rGDP). That profile is consistent with preventing hits at a league average rate, but having below average DRS/UZR metrics. 

     

    https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tim-anderson/15172/stats?position=SS#fieldingadvanced

     

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/glossary/

    With that negative of UZR and DRS he is performing something horribly wrong. That wromg leads to more potential runs. With pitchers that put the ball in play that would not be a good thing

    With that negative of UZR and DRS he is performing something horribly wrong. That wromg leads to more potential runs. With pitchers that put the ball in play that would not be a good thing

    Sure, although the marginal net effect may only be a couple runs for the whole season.

     

    Might also help to look at multiple years. Anderson, for example, was below average in 2019 and 2017, but average or slightly above in 2016 and 2018. On balance, he's still below average, but not nearly as much as his 2019 metrics alone would suggest. Maybe half that? -5 or so? That would reduce any marginal net effect for Keuchel/Gonzalez too.

     

    Furthermore, Moncada in his first season at 3B in 2019 was actually above average by UZR, although below average by DRS. He may very well be average, in which case there may be no net negative effect on Keuchel/Gonzalez from 3B at all.

     

    Sure, although the marginal net effect may only be a couple runs for the whole season.

    Might also help to look at multiple years. Anderson, for example, was below average in 2019 and 2017, but average or slightly above in 2016 and 2018. On balance, he's still below average, but not nearly as much as his 2019 metrics alone would suggest. Maybe half that? -5 or so? That would reduce any marginal net effect for Keuchel/Gonzalez too.

    Furthermore, Moncada in his first season at 3B in 2019 was actually above average by UZR, although below average by DRS. He may very well be average, in which case there may be no net negative effect on Keuchel/Gonzalez from 3B at all.

    A couple of runs?-5 defensive runs  is a loss. The question was do those shortcomings on the left side make it worse for Keuchel and Gonzales. Does your minus 5 become a minus 7 with 2 pitchers throwing pitches that get in that direction with great frequency

    A couple of runs?-5 defensive runs is a loss. The question was do those shortcomings on the left side make it worse for Keuchel and Gonzales. Does your minus 5 become a minus 7 with 2 pitchers throwing pitches that get in that direction with great frequency

    Actually about 10 runs equals 1 win, in DRS/UZR/WAR terms. (And by -5, I meant that might be his season total, rather than a change of minus 5.)

     

    So this is exactly what I've been saying -- a shift of -2 would only represent about one-fifth of a win.




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