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  1. Since the Twins drafted outfielder Byron Buxton with the second overall pick in the 2012 MLB Draft, the question I hear most is, “When do you think we will see Buxton in a Minnesota Twins uniform?” We can all venture our guesses bases on what we’ve read about an 18 year old, but no one knows. He could come up as a 20 year old in 2014, as a 24 year old in 2018, or he may never make it up to the big league club. Another question I have heard frequently over the last two years is when we will see Aaron Hicks and if he is behind schedule, whatever who whoever’s schedule that is. Is there a lot of risk drafting high school hitters early in the draft? How have the Twins done when they have drafted high school bats? [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK] My hope in this article is not to necessarily answer those questions because, again, we don’t know what the end story will be for any individual. By the end of this article, hopefully you will be able to see a bit of information to help you project when we might expect to see Buxton, Hicks or other high school draftees. Methodology Ben Revere was drafted by the Twins in 2007 out of Lexington Catholic High School in Kentucky. He debuted with the Twins in September of 2010, three-and-a-half years after being drafted. My assumption as I prepared this data was that Revere was on a very fast track. That is where I started the search. I looked at all high school hitters drafted by the Twins in the first 100 picks of their respective drafts. Although anyone drafted or signing with an affiliate technically have a chance to make the big leagues, many believe that the Top 100 picks is where most of the future big leaguers are selected. Between 1993 and 2007 (15 drafts), the Twins selected 22 high school hitters in the Top 100 picks of the drafts. Fifteen of the twenty-two have reached the big leagues. Obviously there is a wide range of big league success, but that is an impressive 68.1% Six to eight of those 22 players have had a significant level of big league success. With that, I put together a chart showing when the players was drafted (including overall pick #), when they made their big league debut, when they became a regular big leaguer, how many Major League plate appearances they have accumulated, and finally, what level did a player who didn’t make the big leagues get? [TABLE=width: 544] Player Draft Year (Pick) MLB Debut Regular MLB PA's No MLB - Hi Level Ben Revere 2007 (28) 9/7/2010 2011 656 [/TD] Danny Rams 2007 (92) Current - FM Chris Parmelee 2006 (20) 9/6/2011 192 Joe Benson 2006 (64) 9/6/2011 74 Henry Sanchez 2005 (39) 09 - Beloit Paul Kelly 2005 (54) 11 - Ft. Myers Drew Thompson 2005 (80) 10 - FM, '11 WS Trevor Plouffe 2004 (20) 5/21/2010 2012 540 Matt Moses 2003 (21) 09 - Rochester Denard Span 2002 (20) 4/6/2008 2008 2380 Joe Mauer 2001 (1) 4/5/2004 2005 4169 Jose Morales 2001 (77) 9/8/2007 2009 252 BJ Garbe 1999 (5) 06 - New Britain Rob Bowen 1999 (56) 9/1/2003 2006 439 Justin Morneau 1999 (89) 6/10/2003 2004 4447 Michael Cuddyer 1997 (9) 9/23/2001 2004 4812 Michael Restovich 1997 (61) 9/18/2002 297 Cleatus Davidson 1994 (42) 5/30/1999 24 AJ Pierzynski 1994 (71) 9/9/1998 2001 5939 Torii Hunter 1993 (20) 8/22/1997 1999 7510 Kelcey Mucker 1993 (38) 99 - New Britain Javier Valentin 1993 (93) 9/28/1997 1998 1663[TD] [/TABLE] NEVER MADE IT Along with the 68% of these 22 players making it to be the big leaguers comes the 32% chance that a Top 100 draft choice never sees the major leagues. This could be for many reasons. For example, Paul Kelly and Drew Thompson just could not stay on the field. They were hurt. Both had big league talent. Mucker and Garbe were good athletes that just plateaued. Sanchez had huge power but couldn’t make contact. He also couldn’t stay out of trouble. Moses was talented, but many believed he just didn’t care about baseball all that much. There are many reasons that players don’t get to the big leagues, and this small group of seven illustrates that well. (Note – Danny Rams is still playing with the Ft. Myers Miracle, hitting .136 on the season.) ON THE FAST TRACK Three players on this list were on what I would consider the fast track. Joe Mauer was starting on Opening Day in 2004, two-and-a-half years after he was the #1 overall pick in 2001. He signed and played in Elizabethton in 2001. He spent all of 2002 in Quad Cities (Low A). He started 2003 in Ft. Myers and played the second half in New Britain. Ben Revere was drafted in 2007 and played in the GCL that year. He spent all of 2008 in Beloit, where he hit .379. He spent all of 2009 in Ft. Myers and hit .311. In 2010, he hit. 305 in New Britain before his September call-up. Revere spent three-and-a-half seasons in the minors before his debut. He didn’t spend much time in the minors in 2011 before being a starter for the Twins. He also got a little bit of time in Rochester in 2012. Justin Morneau was the Twins 3rd round pick in 1999, and he debuted with the Twins almost exactly four years after signing with the Twins, on June 10, 2003. He was regular by the All Star break in 2004, shortly before the Twins traded Doug Mientkiewicz at the deadline. More impressive, he played in the Gulf Coast League in 1999 and 2000. In 2001, he spent time in Quad Cities and Ft. Myers before ending the season with ten games in New Britain. He spent all of 2002 in New Britain which is where he started the 2003 season. He moved up to Rochester, and by July, he was up with the Twins. He spent 72 more games in 2004 in Rochester before being called up for good. (Side Note - Jason Kubel was a 12th round pick in 2000. He debuted with the Twins in August of 2004, just over four years after signing, despite spending 2000 and 2001 in the GCL.) AVERAGE ADVANCEMENT Of the 15 (in our sample of 22) that made it to the big leagues ten of them debuted between four-and-a-half and five-and-a-half years. The common denominator in this group is that the players went back to the minor leagues after their debut. Rob Bowen and Javier Valentin came up within four-and-a-half years, and it wasn’t long before they were backup catchers in the big leagues. Torii Hunter came up from AA just four-and-a-half years after he was drafted, but he played in just one game (as a pinch runner) before going back to the minors. In fact, he played in just six games for the Twins the following year. And, two years after that, he was infamously returned to the minor leagues when he figured things out. He came up for good after that. Michael Cuddyer came up after four-and-a-half years too, and it took him three years to become a regular. Cleatus Davidson came up five years after he was drafted. He spent a little time as a utility infielder for the Twins and never played with the big league club again. AJ Pierzynski didn’t hit his first chance for five-and-a-half years, and he spent plenty more time over the next two seasons in the minor leagues before staying up for good. Michael Restovich took five-and-a-half years too, and he only got minimal time with the Twins over the next three seasons. He was a part-time big leaguers for several more years but never became a regular. Denard Span rarely put up numbers during his five-and-a-half years in the minor leagues before his debut. That’s why the Twins wanted to get a centerfielder in the Johan Santana trade. But Span got his chance just days after the start of the 2008 season. He was sent back down, but it wasn’t long before he came up as a regular and he’s outperformed his minor league numbers ever since. Chris Parmelee and Joe Benson were each in the minor leagues for five-and-a-half years before their September call-ups last year. I don’t think that either would be called a big league regular at this time, but both still have the youth and potential to become just that. EXTREME PATIENCE Jose Morales was in the minor leagues for six-and-a-half years before he was called up to the Twins in 2007. He had three hits in his big league debut, and was injured on a slide and missed the rest of that season and plenty of time the following year. He showed some glimpses that he could be a decent backup. Trevor Plouffe did not make his Major League debut for six years after he was drafted in 2004. His is an interesting case. After the draft, he spent the season in Elizabethton. He spent all of 2005 in Beloit where he hit just .223 but was promoted to Ft. Myers for the 2006 season. There, he hit just .246. In 2007, he found himself in New Britain as a 21 year old. He hit .274 with 48 extra base hits, and yet in 2008, he was back with the Rock Cats. He split 2008 before New Britain and Rochester. He spent all of 2009 in Rochester. In 2010, he was back in Rochester, and hit .244. However, in June, the Twins had a need and Plouffe made his big league debut. He put up major power numbers for Rochester in 2011 and played in 81 games for the Twins. We know of his early-season struggles with the Twins in 2012. Based on his hot streak the last month, can we now call him a regular, about eight years after he was drafted? SUMMARY NOTES So, when people ask me when I would guess we will see Byron Buxton playing for the Minnesota Twins, I think I’ll guess the average of the above, five years. That would mean he would debut with the Twins around June of 2017, but it will likely be September of either 2016 or 2017. Is Aaron Hicks behind schedule? He was the #1 pick in June of 2008. Five years would be about June of 2013. He is at AA right now, and he needs to be added to the 40 man roster after this season, so it’s possible he gets called up in September this year. So now, he is not behind schedule. He’s on a pretty normal schedule. Finally, I so often hear some fans make judgements quickly on a player who comes up for his debut, struggles and is sent down. I never understand that because, in reality, very few come up, make their debut and stay in the big leagues forever. It's normal to have some struggles, get sent back down, work on some things, come back up, and rinse and repeat. Obviously the better a player is able to make adjustments, the more likely he is to eventually become a quality regular. You can do the same math with 2010 second-round pick Niko Goodrum and 2011 supplemental first round pick Travis Harrison. Yet no one knows. Will Harrison be on the Ben Revere path, or the Michael Cuddyer path, or the Trevor Plouffe path, or the BJ Garbe path? We don’t know. There are no givens in minor league baseball, and that’s part of makes it so fun to follow.
  2. Starting at 10AM CST on Thursday 6/21, you can adopt a Twins prospect in this thread. (Seth will post that the adoptions can begin at 10:00 CST.) Just put down the players name and submit it and THEN CHECK TO MAKE SURE NOBODY POSTED THAT NAME BEFORE YOU. If someone has, you didn't get that player, but it's not big deal - just submit another post with someone else's name - and then make sure nobody posted THAT name before you. Lather, rinse and repeat until you get a name that nobody else did. If you adopted a player back in April, you can adopt a second prospect now. All players signed and in the Twins farm system now are eligible to be adopted. This includes 2012 draft picks that have signed, players with the GCL Twins or Elizabethton Twins or players on full-season teams that weren't previously drafted. (Below is a list of which players have already been adopted. This list will continue to be updated in this forum throughout the day.) Once you reserve a name, you can start a thread. Just title the thread the name of the prospect like "Miguel Sano." First post must be an introduction of the player. The format of the post is up to the individual, but please be sure to get all the important information needed on the player. For Example, Name, Position, Handedness, Drafted/Signed/Acquired (out of where/what round), Previous Stats, etc. Feel free to make it as detailed as you want. (There are a lot of websites you could link to such as their Baseball-Reference, The Baseball Cube, First Inning, Fan Graphs, etc.) Feel free to post videos, interviews, newspaper articles on your player. Whatever you can find. And then all you have to do is poste updates on your players. Let us know when they have a big game, or if they're on a hot streak, or if they get promoted. As we've said before, brag up your player. Players already adopted: Alex Wimmers, Corey Williams, Max Kepler, James Beresford, Jeff Manship, Daniel Turpen, Miguel Sano, Chris Herrmann, Aaron Hicks, BJ Hermsen, Josh Burris, Levi Michael, Eddie Rosario, Adrian Salcedo, Oswaldo Arcia, Angel Morales, Hudson Boyd, Deolis Guerra, Matt Hauser, Brian Dozier, Michael Tonkin, AJ Pettersen, Travis Harrison, Niko Goodrum, Pedro Florimon, Tyler Grimes, Joe Benson, Logan Darnell, Dereck Rodriguez, Brian Dinkelman, Andrew Albers, Lester Oliveros, Liam Hendriks, Jairo Perez, Tim Shibuya, Jason Wheeler, Anthony Slama, Evan Bigley, Cole De Vries, Lance Ray, AJ Achter, Scott Diamond, Jorge Polanco, Steve Hirschfeld, Pat Dean, Blake Martin, Luis Perdomo, Brett Lee, Tsuyoshi Nishioka, Wilkin Ramirez.
  3. Starting at 10AM CST on Thursday 6/21, you can adopt a Twins prospect in this thread. (Seth will post that the adoptions can begin at 10:00 CST.) Just put down the players name and submit it and THEN CHECK TO MAKE SURE NOBODY POSTED THAT NAME BEFORE YOU. If someone has, you didn't get that player, but it's not big deal - just submit another post with someone else's name - and then make sure nobody posted THAT name before you. Lather, rinse and repeat until you get a name that nobody else did. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK] If you adopted a player back in April, you can adopt a second prospect now. All players signed and in the Twins farm system now are eligible to be adopted. This includes 2012 draft picks that have signed, players with the GCL Twins or Elizabethton Twins or players on full-season teams that weren't previously drafted. (Below is a list of which players have already been adopted. This list will continue to be updated in this forum throughout the day.) Once you reserve a name, you can start a thread. Just title the thread the name of the prospect like "Miguel Sano." First post must be an introduction of the player. The format of the post is up to the individual, but please be sure to get all the important information needed on the player. For Example, Name, Position, Handedness, Drafted/Signed/Acquired (out of where/what round), Previous Stats, etc. Feel free to make it as detailed as you want. (There are a lot of websites you could link to such as their Baseball-Reference, The Baseball Cube, First Inning, Fan Graphs, etc.) Feel free to post videos, interviews, newspaper articles on your player. Whatever you can find. And then all you have to do is poste updates on your players. Let us know when they have a big game, or if they're on a hot streak, or if they get promoted. As we've said before, brag up your player. (Click here to adopt a prospect) Players already adopted: Alex Wimmers, Corey Williams, Max Kepler, James Beresford, Jeff Manship, Daniel Turpen, Miguel Sano, Chris Herrmann, Aaron Hicks, BJ Hermsen, Josh Burris, Levi Michael, Eddie Rosario, Adrian Salcedo, Oswaldo Arcia, Angel Morales, Hudson Boyd, Deolis Guerra, Matt Hauser, Brian Dozier, Michael Tonkin, AJ Pettersen, Travis Harrison, Niko Goodrum, Pedro Florimon, Tyler Grimes, Joe Benson, Logan Darnell, Dereck Rodriguez, Brian Dinkelman, Andrew Albers, Lester Oliveros, Liam Hendriks, Jairo Perez, Tim Shibuya, Jason Wheeler, Anthony Slama, Evan Bigley, Cole De Vries, Lance Ray, AJ Achter, Scott Diamond, Jorge Polanco, Steve Hirschfeld, Pat Dean, Blake Martin, Luis Perdomo, Brett Lee, Tsuyoshi Nishioka, Wilkin Ramirez.
  4. Yeah, I don't blame Hunter for leaving for the money. The Twins were wise not to give him that amount. I stopped looking up to Hunter in 2005 when he hurt his ankle, and instead of staying with the team, he went home. Granted, he couldn't play or do much, but he could have stayed around and been the teammate and leader that many said he was... Instead, he comes back late in the season, sits on the bench, mocks Mauer and Morneau, throws a punch at Morneau, misses and hits Nick Punto... and then what did the leader do? Left the team again and went home. That's where I stopped looking up to him. His advertising himself via the media throughout that final year with the Twins didn't help either. That said, he's had a terrific career! No one can dispute that.
  5. Not yet... serious enough that it was clear that he needed to go on the 7 day DL. I'm sure they'll evaluate it in the next days.
  6. Just heard back from Solimon... he said he's having shoulder surgery, "like Michael Pineda." The Yankees pitcher had surgery two months ago to repair a torn right labrum. Pineda had surgery in April and is expected to start throwing in September. If Soliman has surgery in June, maybe he starts throwing by November. He'll likely be brought back slowly next season.
  7. I'd be fine with that too.
  8. I'd say first to Ft. Myers to work for a few days. Then I would guess he'd go to Beloit, possibly to the Miracle.
  9. Very nice first blog entry!! Welcome to the world of blogging!! HOpefully this site can remain a great source of Twins knowledge for you and others, a one-stop shop of sorts. Feel free to comment, ask questions, voice opinions. Hopefully it's fun!
  10. He'll pitch. Whether it is in the big leagues this year or not is inconsequential. Either way, he'll be added to the 40 man roster after the season and come to spring training with a chance. Part of me hopes he doesn't come to the big leagues this year because expectations from some fans then next spring will be far too high.
  11. Yup, he just tweeted "Officially a Twin."
  12. That would match up with Jim Rantz's comments about 4-5 games before he'd play.
  13. What doesn't help readers? And, who said he was 'great?'
  14. Carlos Gutierrez's injury is listed as "Right Shoulder." Lester Oliveros's injury is listed as "Right Elbow."
  15. Edgar Ibarra to New Britain.
  16. Carlos Gutierrez to the DL... reports from Rochester indicate he was sitting 88-91 with the fastball. Something wasn't right. The second one is Lester Oliveros to the DL... this one was more surprising. he was throwing pretty well in his appearance with the Twins.
  17. I've never been to it, but I've heard it is free to attend. It is on a back field. There are small bleachers, but I'm sure you can bring a chair.
  18. Me, but I'm still on IE7 and can't get this computer to go to IE9.
  19. It's Official! Tonkin has been promoted from Beloit to Ft. Myers.
  20. But "Selling high" on a 27 year old with only a couple dozen big league games and mediocre AAA success doesn't get much (if anything) in return.
  21. Tweet from Jon Morosi minutes ago: "#Twins 3B prospect Miguel Sano impressed at the MWL All-Star Game. “Special player,” one scout said. “Can’t take your eyes off him.”" He was 0-1 with a walk in the game last night.
  22. Phase II of the Adopt-a-Prospect will start on Thursday (June 21) at 9:00 central time. Before then, I will post a list of players who have been adopted and who adopted them. Please note that if a player's page has not been updated by the "adopter" in the past 4 weeks, the player will become available again. So, if you haven't updated your player's profile in awhile, please do so today!
  23. Thrylos - they said they would let Boyd start early in his career. Many "experts" think he will eventually be a reliever, but the Twins won't make that decision with a 19 year old with a power arm. Rhodes is a 1B, even though he was listed as an OF on the roster. It's his fourth year in the rookie leagues, so as I wrote the other day in my E-Twins preview, he's taking advantage of the new rule.
  24. Yeah, i have that list of starters and now realize that they aren't going in order.
  25. You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?680-Change-of-Scenery-is-Great-for-Pirates-Garrett-Jones
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