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Article: The Blizzard of Oz
Brad Swanson replied to mnfanforlife's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm really looking forward to watching both players. Hicks might not put up statistical seasons that make your eyes pop out, but his defense is going to be fantastic. -
Bollinger: Plouffe batting sore calf
Brad Swanson replied to John Bonnes's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
The calf looks fine to me. We should be all set. -
Article: How MLB Teams Rebuild - Part 1
Brad Swanson replied to Brad Swanson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Gutting the MLB team and cutting payroll is really risky. The risk could pay off though. It worked for the Marlins in 2003. I don't think that makes it a good strategy or even one that I would want the Twins to employ. I was simply stating that this is what the current Astros franchise seems to be doing. By no means am I suggesting the Twins should copy either of these two strategies. I like the way the Twins are rebuilding. -
The Minnesota Twins and 2012 Topps - Righting a Baseball Card Injustice
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
I can't lie, I've thought about going and buying another pack at least a few times since yesterday. Nope, not Slowey, but you're on the right track. -
Article: How MLB Teams Rebuild - Part 1
Brad Swanson replied to Brad Swanson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I wasn't necessarily looking at the results from these potential rebuilds, but more the methods being employed. We won't have results for at least a couple years. I don't think there are any conclusions that can be drawn from the charts, I just thought the extra data was worth including. -
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Good franchises can field bad teams. The Boston Red Sox might have been the most successful franchise of the 2000s, but finished in last place in 2012. The Minnesota Twins were successful during that same decade, but has suffered through two consecutive last place seasons. As hard as it may be to swallow, the Twins need to rebuild. Some fans cringe at that word, some scoff, but the reality is that any last place team needs to rebuild in some manner. That being said, not all rebuilds are the same. So over the next two days, I'm going to look at the five worst teams from 2012 and try to better understand their method for rebuilding. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK] ~~~Originally posted at Kevin Slowey was Framed!~~~ Note: I created some charts for my own purposes. I took the 5 best players on each of these five teams, over the past three seasons. I used fWAR to determine the best 5 players. I just wanted to see if this data indicated anything, and I think it does. Houston Astros - Blow Up the Outside World [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 76-86 [/TD] Michael Bourn 5.8 Indians Brett Myers 4.7 Indians Hunter Pence 2.8 Giants Roy Oswalt 2.5 NOWHERE Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates 2011 - 56-106 Carlos Lee 3.7 NOWHERE Hunter Pence 3.2 Giants Clint Barmes 2.9 Pirates Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates Michael Bourn 2.1 Indians 2012 - 55-107 Lucas Harrell 2.8 Astros Justin Maxwell 2.3 Astros Wilton Lopez 2.2 Rockies Jed Lowrie 2.1 A's Jose Altuve 1.3 Astros [/TABLE] The Astros seems to be employing the fantasy baseball "full rebuild." They have basically taken each and every valuable player and traded them for younger pieces. They will hang on to young, cheap players, but anyone else is being used to rebuild their farm system. When you look at their chart, you can see that nearly every valuable player has been moved. The three remaining players are all pre-arbitration. Only Bud Norris and Carlos Pena will make more than 2 million dollars in 2013, and both seem very unlikely to finish their seasons in Houston. The present in Houston is terribly bleak. They will likely have a payroll around 25 million this season, which is comically low. But the future is getting brighter. Their farm system is much improved. Going into 2012, the Astros had a terrible team and a terrible farm system. Only one of those statements is true today, due to their trades. It also doesn't hurt to get the first pick in the draft, which they used to draft a very promising shortstop named Carlos Correa. My biggest issue with this form of rebuild is that teams eventually run out of good players to trade. Right now, Houston might be able to get something for Norris, Lucas Harrell and Jose Altuve. Do they really want to trade those guys? Each is relatively young, each is relatively productive and each is under team control for the foreseeable future. At some point, these atom bomb rebuilds have to start showing MLB results. Correa won't be ready for years. They have the first pick this June as well, but who knows when that player will be ready? This rebuild could take five more years, for all we know. It's a risky endeavor, that is for sure. Chicago Cubs - Mrs Dash [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 75-87 Marlon Byrd 3.5 Mets Geovany Soto 3.1 Rangers Carlos Marmol 2.6 Cubs Randy Wells 2.6 Rangers Carlos Zambrano 2.5 NOWHERE 2011 - 71-91 Starlin Castro 3 Cubs Aramis Ramirez 2.5 Brewers Matt Garza 2.5 Cubs Sean Marshall 2.4 Reds Carlos Pena 2.3 Astros 2012 - 61-101 [TD] Darwin Barney 4.6 Cubs Starlin Castro 3.5 Cubs Ryan Dempster 3.3 Red Sox Anthony Rizzo 2.2 Cubs Alfonso Soriano 1.8 Cubs [/TABLE] The Cubs are one of those franchises that seems to sprinkle good seasons around their general misery. It makes me sad. But it looks like things may be changing. The Cubs do not seem to want to sit around, blow things up and wait to see if their talented prospects pan out. Instead, they are seasoning in some good players here and there, making smart decisions and trying to build the ship as they sail, so to speak. They certainly do not have the payroll of a rebuilding team. They'll likely settle in right around $100 million, but that isn't a crazy figure when you consider their market and fan-base. Their roster is better going into 2013 and they have some pieces that they could move if the team struggles, but who can also contribute if the team experiences some success. They have a nice young core of players, including Starlin Castro, Anthony Rizzo, Jeff Samardija and yes, Darwin Barney. They have some elite prospects in their system and they will pick second in the June draft. It seems that the Cubs are willing to move anyone outside of their young core and farm system. They added depth to their starting staff, and signed guys who can be moved if the 2013 season isn't going well. They went upside with Scott Baker, Scott Feldman and Carlos Villanueva. If one guy hits, they could have a long-term contributor in their rotation. If all three hit, well, that would be nice for the Cub fans. There is obvious risk in this strategy as well. The market for injured pitchers isn't great, and the Cubs exploited that, but they will have to rely on that same market if they decide to try to move those pitchers. Tomorrow we'll look at three other team, including the Twins. Each has taken a far different path towards rebuilding this offseason.
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Originally posted at Kevin Slowey was Framed! I went to Target this afternoon. That alone is exciting enough for a new post, but there's more! I was going to get bread and milk for my family. I also needed to buy some pens, which happen to be on the opposite end of the store. There's still more. After procuring my pens, I went down an unmanned checkout aisle to get a soda pop. I wanted a Diet Dr. Pepper. Farther down that aisle were the baseball cards. I thought to myself "oh man, I used to love baseball cards." It's true. In fact, this card is burned into my brain and remains my favorite card ever. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v8rm8jo9rSY/USmnwx5r4DI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/m88zpwdxePU/s320/1993-Topps-KirbyPuckett.jpg I stood there looking at the cards. At first, I was surprised. Then, I was confused. There were packs and then there were jumbo packs, then there were these value boxes and then there were some other value boxes that were bigger. It was overwhelming. I had invested a good five minutes into this venture, so I decided I would buy a pack of baseball cards. I scoured the area for something familiar. There were old looking cards that were new and there were some packs that had only 3 or 4 cards for like 5 dollars. Now, I'm no cheapskate, but man, that seems high. I found the 2013 Topps. I used to collect Topps! In fact, that Kirby Puckett card is a Topps! I wondered if any of the cards would have giant bats involved, but figured the only legal way to find out was to buy a pack. So, I got the pack of 2013 Topps. There were 12 cards for $1.99, which actually doesn't seem that unreasonable. I'd like to turn this into a cute story where I forget to buy the milk and bread because I was so excited, but that just isn't the case. I arrived home and shared with my wife that I bought a pack of cards. She didn't seem that impressed, but wasn't mad or witty or anything stereotypical like that. This isn't a sitcom. However, she was not nearly as excited as I was when I opened the pack. The cards are pretty nice. The photos are good. There was this weird green card that I assumed was super valuable, but the pack says there are 1 in every 6 packs. Considering there were roughly 5,000 packs at that one Target, I'm guessing these aren't very rare. They ugly too. I didn't get any Twins in Twin uniforms, but I did get this little gem: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TxhUeXi0btU/USmoW9dXyJI/AAAAAAAAAPY/wHqPfZLqW8c/s320/photo102.JPG I also got rookie phenom Jurickson Profar's rookie card! I know this because there is a logo with an RC on it: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YUczBvbG22s/USmon3x8afI/AAAAAAAAAPg/HbpamZsvxiU/s320/photo+(98).JPG I zoomed in on his face. It looks painted. I can't confirm if Profar's real face just looks like a painting, or if this is a photoshopped image. If anyone knows the answer, please let me know. Take a look at this bad picture and see for yourself: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vvdEJff5FzM/USmoz1QV44I/AAAAAAAAAPo/Wc1gcjdUURo/s320/photo+(100).JPG As you can see, I don't take great care of my card collection: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HLxMvXB6XuU/USmo7JZuEhI/AAAAAAAAAPw/rP8xUy9P8i0/s320/photo101.JPG They fell off the couch and landed there. I had forgotten they were on the couch. At first, the dog was very interested, but ultimately seemed bored with the whole deal: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BnBa3uhOtpY/USmpKpDzsUI/AAAAAAAAAP4/5sG5i5DAhiE/s320/photo+(99).JPG One of the blinds is crooked. I should fix that. Ok, what's the point of all this? I got a card that had a checklist on the back. I didn't take a picture for some reason, and I'm not really able to get off the couch right now: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NCbSCOpE454/USmpWmIqDfI/AAAAAAAAAQA/r-fi-_5O4t4/s320/photo103.JPG He does that. Have you typed with a 90 lb dog on your arm? You should, it adds a degree of difficulty. The checklist is the cheese here though. I remember when I was a kid, the checklist card was just a list of players. It sucked. I usually threw them out. They didn't have a players on them or anything. This 2013 version had Johan Santana on the front. Very nice! I'm a gypsy. My wife. Sorry, Borat loop. The checklist got me thinking: do they make a card for each player? I did some research and found that in 2012, they made 3 series of Topps standard cards. There was series 1, series 2, and update series. I guess series 3 would have been too predictable. I did investigate further and found that "update series" is for players who have changed teams and other events like the all-star game and whatnot. This confirms my suspicions that each player does not have a card. Side note: Topps makes like a million different sets each year. Some have really funny names like Gypsy Queen. There is also a baseball card Wikipedia of sorts. Here's the link, have fun! Back to the task at hand. It's simple math. There are 330 cards in each of these Topps sets. 330 x 3 = 990. In any given season, there are at least 750 players, but usually many more. That should add up, but remember what I said about the "update series." Perhaps the worst players just don't get a card. That makes sense, right? Oh wait: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TxhUeXi0btU/USmoW9dXyJI/AAAAAAAAAPY/wHqPfZLqW8c/s320/photo102.JPG So, that's not it. The reality is that some players must be snubbed! You can't have a player on a Topps card until they actually play an MLB game. It's a rule. It must be a contract thing. So, some rookies might not get cards until the next season. That's fine. There likely was not a 2012 Profar card. I checked eBay quick but that was exhausting. There are just too many colors and variations. What happened to the days of guys holding giant bats? I decided to find the player checklists from the three series in 2012 to see which Twins were snubbed by the good people at Topps. In the end, I found 32 players who had cards in the 2012 sets. I also counted 8 fairly notable Twins without cards. Here is the spreadsheet I made. Don't make fun of me. [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] Card # Player Notes Series 1 [/TD] 62 Ben Revere 81 Liam Hendriks Rookie Card 95 Chris Parmelee Rookie Card 97 Jim Thome Record Breakers, not sure which one 111 Kevin Slowey In a Twins Uniform, I looked it up 164 Carl Pavano 179 Denard Span 230 Justin Morneau 235 Joe Benson Rookie Card 249 Trevor Plouffe 276 Scott Baker 292 Ben Revere again? 303 Danny Valencia lol 316 Nick Blackburn lol Series 2 337 Glen Perkins 389 Alexi Casilla Note to self: buy this 411 Tsuyoshi Nishioka hmm 501 Matt Capps 512 Josh Willingham 517 Francisco Liriano 529 Luke Hughes huh? 535 Joe Mauer I was starting to wonder 655 Ryan Doumit [TD=colspan: 2]Update Series [/TD] US7 Joe Mauer All-Star US67 Jamey Carroll US112 Eduardo Escobar Rookie Card US140 Brian Duensing US158 Jared Burton US161 Brian Dozier Rookie Card US163 Scott Diamond US274 Jeff Gray BWAHAHAHAHAHA US330 Alex Burnett That's right, the last card for the year is Alex Burnett No Card Darin Mastroianni 0.8 WAR Pedro Florimon 0.8 WAR Matt Carson 0.1 WAR Anthony Swarzak -0.6 WAR Cole De Vries 0.2 WAR P.J. Walters -0.6 WAR Sam Deduno 0.5 WAR [TD]Casey Fien 1.0 WAR [/TABLE] I listed those without cards by WAR. The winner: Casey Fien. Casey Fien was pretty good last year. He was certainly better than Alex Burnett and Jeff Gray. Plus, Casey Fien doesn't even have a rookie card, even though he has played in parts of three seasons. At least not one I can find. I have decided to reward him with his own card. I'd say the results are a bit mixed. I'm still learning the intricacies of gimp. A billion points if you can guess the body of the player I used. No google, yo. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XLu2t5dsiro/USmqj1O_wkI/AAAAAAAAAQM/Pzzowh9VtxM/s320/casey Whoa, that is terrifying. With that, I have righted an injustice and taken you on a journey of what happens on an average Saturday in my house. If you have feedback, I'd love to read it. Clearly, I need more things to help me pass the time. If you like this sort of nonsense, you can read about my trip to Glenallen Hill and see what a bowl of Bobby Bonilla ice cream might be like. Click here, you'll be "glad" you did. Brad Swanson is a professional photohop guy. He had the title line in Star Wars.
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The Minnesota Twins and 2012 Topps - Righting a Baseball Card Injustice
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
Originally posted at Kevin Slowey was Framed! I went to Target this afternoon. That alone is exciting enough for a new post, but there's more! I was going to get bread and milk for my family. I also needed to buy some pens, which happen to be on the opposite end of the store. There's still more. After procuring my pens, I went down an unmanned checkout aisle to get a soda pop. I wanted a Diet Dr. Pepper. Farther down that aisle were the baseball cards. I thought to myself "oh man, I used to love baseball cards." It's true. In fact, this card is burned into my brain and remains my favorite card ever. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v8rm8jo9rSY/USmnwx5r4DI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/m88zpwdxePU/s320/1993-Topps-KirbyPuckett.jpg I stood there looking at the cards. At first, I was surprised. Then, I was confused. There were packs and then there were jumbo packs, then there were these value boxes and then there were some other value boxes that were bigger. It was overwhelming. I had invested a good five minutes into this venture, so I decided I would buy a pack of baseball cards. I scoured the area for something familiar. There were old looking cards that were new and there were some packs that had only 3 or 4 cards for like 5 dollars. Now, I'm no cheapskate, but man, that seems high. I found the 2013 Topps. I used to collect Topps! In fact, that Kirby Puckett card is a Topps! I wondered if any of the cards would have giant bats involved, but figured the only legal way to find out was to buy a pack. So, I got the pack of 2013 Topps. There were 12 cards for $1.99, which actually doesn't seem that unreasonable. I'd like to turn this into a cute story where I forget to buy the milk and bread because I was so excited, but that just isn't the case. I arrived home and shared with my wife that I bought a pack of cards. She didn't seem that impressed, but wasn't mad or witty or anything stereotypical like that. This isn't a sitcom. However, she was not nearly as excited as I was when I opened the pack. The cards are pretty nice. The photos are good. There was this weird green card that I assumed was super valuable, but the pack says there are 1 in every 6 packs. Considering there were roughly 5,000 packs at that one Target, I'm guessing these aren't very rare. They ugly too. I didn't get any Twins in Twin uniforms, but I did get this little gem: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TxhUeXi0btU/USmoW9dXyJI/AAAAAAAAAPY/wHqPfZLqW8c/s320/photo102.JPG I also got rookie phenom Jurickson Profar's rookie card! I know this because there is a logo with an RC on it: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YUczBvbG22s/USmon3x8afI/AAAAAAAAAPg/HbpamZsvxiU/s320/photo+(98).JPG I zoomed in on his face. It looks painted. I can't confirm if Profar's real face just looks like a painting, or if this is a photoshopped image. If anyone knows the answer, please let me know. Take a look at this bad picture and see for yourself: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vvdEJff5FzM/USmoz1QV44I/AAAAAAAAAPo/Wc1gcjdUURo/s320/photo+(100).JPG As you can see, I don't take great care of my card collection: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HLxMvXB6XuU/USmo7JZuEhI/AAAAAAAAAPw/rP8xUy9P8i0/s320/photo101.JPG They fell off the couch and landed there. I had forgotten they were on the couch. At first, the dog was very interested, but ultimately seemed bored with the whole deal: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BnBa3uhOtpY/USmpKpDzsUI/AAAAAAAAAP4/5sG5i5DAhiE/s320/photo+(99).JPG One of the blinds is crooked. I should fix that. Ok, what's the point of all this? I got a card that had a checklist on the back. I didn't take a picture for some reason, and I'm not really able to get off the couch right now: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NCbSCOpE454/USmpWmIqDfI/AAAAAAAAAQA/r-fi-_5O4t4/s320/photo103.JPG He does that. Have you typed with a 90 lb dog on your arm? You should, it adds a degree of difficulty. The checklist is the cheese here though. I remember when I was a kid, the checklist card was just a list of players. It sucked. I usually threw them out. They didn't have a players on them or anything. This 2013 version had Johan Santana on the front. Very nice! I'm a gypsy. My wife. Sorry, Borat loop. The checklist got me thinking: do they make a card for each player? I did some research and found that in 2012, they made 3 series of Topps standard cards. There was series 1, series 2, and update series. I guess series 3 would have been too predictable. I did investigate further and found that "update series" is for players who have changed teams and other events like the all-star game and whatnot. This confirms my suspicions that each player does not have a card. Side note: Topps makes like a million different sets each year. Some have really funny names like Gypsy Queen. There is also a baseball card Wikipedia of sorts. Here's the link, have fun! Back to the task at hand. It's simple math. There are 330 cards in each of these Topps sets. 330 x 3 = 990. In any given season, there are at least 750 players, but usually many more. That should add up, but remember what I said about the "update series." Perhaps the worst players just don't get a card. That makes sense, right? Oh wait: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TxhUeXi0btU/USmoW9dXyJI/AAAAAAAAAPY/wHqPfZLqW8c/s320/photo102.JPG So, that's not it. The reality is that some players must be snubbed! You can't have a player on a Topps card until they actually play an MLB game. It's a rule. It must be a contract thing. So, some rookies might not get cards until the next season. That's fine. There likely was not a 2012 Profar card. I checked eBay quick but that was exhausting. There are just too many colors and variations. What happened to the days of guys holding giant bats? I decided to find the player checklists from the three series in 2012 to see which Twins were snubbed by the good people at Topps. In the end, I found 32 players who had cards in the 2012 sets. I also counted 8 fairly notable Twins without cards. Here is the spreadsheet I made. Don't make fun of me. [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] Card # Player Notes Series 1 [/TD] 62 Ben Revere 81 Liam Hendriks Rookie Card 95 Chris Parmelee Rookie Card 97 Jim Thome Record Breakers, not sure which one 111 Kevin Slowey In a Twins Uniform, I looked it up 164 Carl Pavano 179 Denard Span 230 Justin Morneau 235 Joe Benson Rookie Card 249 Trevor Plouffe 276 Scott Baker 292 Ben Revere again? 303 Danny Valencia lol 316 Nick Blackburn lol Series 2 337 Glen Perkins 389 Alexi Casilla Note to self: buy this 411 Tsuyoshi Nishioka hmm 501 Matt Capps 512 Josh Willingham 517 Francisco Liriano 529 Luke Hughes huh? 535 Joe Mauer I was starting to wonder 655 Ryan Doumit [TD=colspan: 2]Update Series [/TD] US7 Joe Mauer All-Star US67 Jamey Carroll US112 Eduardo Escobar Rookie Card US140 Brian Duensing US158 Jared Burton US161 Brian Dozier Rookie Card US163 Scott Diamond US274 Jeff Gray BWAHAHAHAHAHA US330 Alex Burnett That's right, the last card for the year is Alex Burnett No Card Darin Mastroianni 0.8 WAR Pedro Florimon 0.8 WAR Matt Carson 0.1 WAR Anthony Swarzak -0.6 WAR Cole De Vries 0.2 WAR P.J. Walters -0.6 WAR Sam Deduno 0.5 WAR [TD]Casey Fien 1.0 WAR [/TABLE] I listed those without cards by WAR. The winner: Casey Fien. Casey Fien was pretty good last year. He was certainly better than Alex Burnett and Jeff Gray. Plus, Casey Fien doesn't even have a rookie card, even though he has played in parts of three seasons. At least not one I can find. I have decided to reward him with his own card. I'd say the results are a bit mixed. I'm still learning the intricacies of gimp. A billion points if you can guess the body of the player I used. No google, yo. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XLu2t5dsiro/USmqj1O_wkI/AAAAAAAAAQM/Pzzowh9VtxM/s320/casey Whoa, that is terrifying. With that, I have righted an injustice and taken you on a journey of what happens on an average Saturday in my house. If you have feedback, I'd love to read it. Clearly, I need more things to help me pass the time. If you like this sort of nonsense, you can read about my trip to Glenallen Hill and see what a bowl of Bobby Bonilla ice cream might be like. Click here, you'll be "glad" you did. Brad Swanson is a professional photohop guy. He had the title line in Star Wars. -
Hey! Music is cool, right? What does Twins Daily listen to? Me? I'm completely stuck in the 90s. If there is band with ties to Mark Lanegan, you can be sure I'm listening. So, yeah. Music.
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Wheeler was one of the most frustrating Gophers in recent memory. He was so talented, but he seemed to take nights and full months off. I hope he's starting to put it all together though. He seems like a good enough dude. This goal is still one of my favorite Gopher hockey moments.
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Nice work! I like Arcia. I could see him rounding into a Andre Ethier type. .280/.360/.500 with more doubles than home runs, but 20-25 home runs consistently and 30 home runs always a possibility. He might be more of a left fielder, especially with the outfield arms the Twins have in the system, but his defense is not why he is an exciting player anyway. Also I think "The Blizzard of Oz" could really catch on.
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How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
Thanks for all the positive feedback on the post. I think it will be really interesting to follow these teams over the next 2-3 years. I'm very willing to revisit at the end of this season, going into next season and for as long as people want to read about them! I do agree that the teams that stick with a Front Office are more likely to achieve success, if the original plan is sound. Owners that get impatient often make moves with the Front Office too early and that can make things worse. -
Morneau and the Toronto Blue Jays
Brad Swanson replied to John Bonnes's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
They also have Matt Smoral, who they drafted last year, and he is a lefty who throws a hard fastball/slider combo. He's young, but has huge upside. They have a catcher I really like too. Santiago Nessy. He just turned 20, has big raw power and might be able to stay behind the plate, despite his big size (6'2", 230 lb). The Twins wouldn't even have to eat that much money. By July, Morneau would have like 5-6 million left on his deal. With the payroll so low, they better be willing to eat some of that money. -
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Brad Swanson replied to John Bonnes's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
I feel like I have to say this... I hate A Christmas Story. I apologize for that. I agree that all these rules are very reasonable. -
How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
And you know what, even O'Dowd got his team to a World Series, so he certainly deserves some level of respect. -
How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
I love it! A baseball case study. Each of these teams had some level of success in the mid-2000s. I completely agree that intelligent decision-makers lead to quicker rebuilds. It seems that 4 of the 5 teams I investigated have well-respected GMs and good front offices. Not surprisingly, the one GM that doesn't seem to get much respect (O'Dowd) is the leader of the team with the worst (lack of a) plan. This is also why I think the Twins will get things turned around. I am one who has a lot of trust in and respect for Terry Ryan. -
Ha, mutated! I love it.
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How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
The Astros farm system could improve a lot, much like the Twins' system improved this past year. They have a lot of high ceiling players. -
How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
I totally get that. I just hope they don't hesitate if they are offered something good. -
Originally posted at Kevin Slowey was Framed! Not all bad teams are created equal. Some teams are bad for just one injury-plagued season. Some teams are bad for a few seasons and then good for a few seasons. Some teams are just chronically bad. Bad teams need to be changed. Bad teams have the benefit of receiving good draft picks, but other than that, they don't really gain any sort of advantage from being bad. Teams do not want to be bad. Bad teams can struggle to attract fans and free agents, while also struggling to keep their own home-grown players. Good franchises can field bad teams. Most teams go through rough patches. The Boston Red Sox might have been the most successful franchise of the 2000s, but finished in last place in 2012. Going with the local angle, the Twins were successful during that same decade, but has suffered through 2 consecutive last place seasons. As hard as it may be to swallow, the Twins need to rebuild. Some fans cringe at that word, some scoff, but the reality is that any given last place team needs to rebuild in some manner. That being said, not all rebuilds are the same. Let's look at the 5 worst teams from 2012 and try to better understand their method for rebuilding. Note: I created some charts for my own purposes. I took the 5 best players on each of these five teams, over the past three seasons. I used fWAR to determine the best 5 players. I just wanted to see if this data indicated anything. I think it does, you might disagree, but I'll include the charts as I think they are pretty interesting. The chart shows the player name, their fWAR that season, and what team this player is with right now. I used NOWHERE for players without a team, because I am a drama queen. Houston Astros - Blow Up the Outside World [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 76-86 [/TD] Michael Bourn 5.8 Indians Brett Myers 4.7 Indians Hunter Pence 2.8 Giants Roy Oswalt 2.5 NOWHERE Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates 2011 - 56-106 Carlos Lee 3.7 NOWHERE Hunter Pence 3.2 Giants Clint Barmes 2.9 Pirates Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates Michael Bourn 2.1 Indians 2012 - 55-107 Lucas Harrell 2.8 Astros Justin Maxwell 2.3 Astros Wilton Lopez 2.2 Rockies Jed Lowrie 2.1 A's Jose Altuve 1.3 Astros [/TABLE] The Astros seems to be employing the fantasy baseball "full rebuild." They have basically taken each and every valuable player and traded them for younger pieces. They will hang on to young, cheap players, but anyone else is being used to rebuild their farm system. They will likely have a payroll around 25 million this season, which is comically low. When you look at their chart, you can see that nearly every valuable player has been moved. The three remaining players are all pre-arbitration. Only Bud Norris and Carlos Pena will make more than 2 million dollars in 2013, and both seem very unlikely to finish their seasons in Houston. The present in Houston is terribly bleak. The future is getting brighter. Their farm system is much improved. Going into 2012, the Astros had a terrible team and a terrible farm system. Only one of those statements is true today, due to their trades. It also doesn't hurt to get the first pick in the draft, which they used to draft a very promising shortstop named Carlos Correa. The farm system is nice, but everyone knows that prospects aren't sure bets. My biggest issue with this form of rebuild is that teams eventually run out of good players to trade. Right now, Houston might be able to get something for Norris, Lucas Harrell and Jose Altuve. Do they really want to trade those guys? Each is relatively young, each is relatively productive and each is under team control for the foreseeable future. At some point, these atom bomb rebuilds have to start showing MLB results. Correa won't be ready for years. They have the first pick this June as well, but who knows when that player will be ready? This rebuild could take 5 more years, for all we know. It's a risky endeavor, that is for sure. Chicago Cubs - Mrs Dash [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 75-87 Marlon Byrd 3.5 Mets Geovany Soto 3.1 Rangers Carlos Marmol 2.6 Cubs Randy Wells 2.6 Rangers Carlos Zambrano 2.5 NOWHERE 2011 - 71-91 Starlin Castro 3 Cubs Aramis Ramirez 2.5 Brewers Matt Garza 2.5 Cubs Sean Marshall 2.4 Reds Carlos Pena 2.3 Astros 2012 - 61-101 Darwin Barney 4.6 Cubs Starlin Castro 3.5 Cubs Ryan Dempster 3.3 Red Sox Anthony Rizzo 2.2 Cubs Alfonso Soriano 1.8 Cubs [/TABLE] The Cubs are one of those franchises that seems to sprinkle good seasons around their general misery. It makes me sad. I like the Cubs and I hope they turn things around. It looks like my hopes might be coming to fruition. The Cubs do not seem to want to sit around, blow things up and wait to see if their talented prospects pan out. Instead, they are seasoning in some good players here and there, making smart decisions and trying to build the ship as they sail, so to speak. They certainly do not have the payroll of a rebuilding team. They'll likely settle in right around $100 million, but that isn't a crazy figure when you consider their market and fan-base. Their roster is better going into 2013 and they have some pieces that they could move if the team struggles, but who can also contribute if the team experiences some success. They have a nice young core of players, including Starlin Castro, Anthony Rizzo, Jeff Samardija and yes, Darwin Barney. They have some elite prospects in their system and they will pick 2nd in the June draft. It seems that the Cubs are willing to move anyone outside of their young core and farm system. They added depth to their starting staff, and signed guys who can be moved if the 2013 season isn't going well. They went upside with Scott Baker, Scott Feldman and Carlos Villanueva. If one guy hits, they could have a long-term contributor in their rotation. If all three hit, well, that would be nice for the Cub fans. There is obvious risk in this strategy as well. The market for injured pitchers isn't great, and the Cubs exploited that, but they will have to rely on that same market if they decide to try to move those pitchers. Colorado Rockies - Hide under coats; hope it all works out [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 83-79 Ubaldo Jimenez 7.3 Indians Troy Tulowitzki 6.5 Rockies Carlos Gonzalez 5.8 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 2.4 Rockies Miguel Olivo 2.3 Reds 2011 - 73-89 Troy Tulowitzki 5.9 Rockies Carlos Gonzalez 4.2 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 3.6 Rockies Chris Iannetta 3.1 Angels Dexter Fowler 2.5 Rockies 2012 - 64-98 Rafael Betancourt 2.6 Rockies Dexter Fowler 2.5 Rockies Matt Belisle 2.3 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 2 Rockies Josh Roenicke 2 Twins [/TABLE] The Rockies confuse me. They have had two consecutive bad seasons. They have a couple of superstar players, but both miss a decent chunk of seemingly each season (Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez). They did next to nothing this off-season, other than signing Jeff Francis, and trading for Reid Brignac and Wilton Lopez. These aren't moves that help rebuild a team. They also did not trade anyone for any sort of young player or prospect. Their strategy seems to hinge on healthy seasons from their stars and development from their young pitchers. Their farm system is pretty poor, so there isn't a lot of help coming from that part of the organization. They have good players (I love Dexter Fowler), but they also have old players. Gonzalez is 27 and Tulowitzki is 28. Both are signed forever, so that is good, but there isn't much around them. Michael Cuddyer is overrated, Todd Helton is a billion and I can't think of a third thing. I think that is a bad sign. I can't assess any risk because I have no idea what they are even doing. Minnesota Twins - Some sort of Cobra-Squirrel hybrid [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 94-68 Joe Mauer 5.5 Twins Justin Morneau 4.6 Twins Jim Thome 3.4 NOWHERE Orlando Hudson 2.6 NOWHERE Brian Duensing 2.4 Twins 2011 - 63-99 Scott Baker 4.2 Cubs Denard Span 2.3 Nationals Glen Perkins 2 Twins Carl Pavano 1.8 NOWHERE Michael Cuddyer 1.7 Rockies 2012 - 66-96 Denard Span 4.8 Nationals Joe Mauer 4.1 Twins Jamey Carroll 3.2 Twins Josh Willingham 2.9 Twins Ben Revere 2.4 Phillies [/TABLE] The Twins have certainly struck like a cobra in a few instances this off-season. They added three young pitchers (Vance Worley, Alex Meyer, and Trevor May) in two excellent trades. At the same time, they have been hesitant to trade off other valuable players like Josh Willingham and Justin Morneau. They may simply be lying in wait, looking for the best deal. It is also possible that the market for these two players isn't very good right now. Each has question marks, and each could address them in 2013, raising their trade value. The Twins never really seem committed to a full rebuild, but they have done a nice job of picking their spots and addressing their needs. It is still a work-in-progress though. Much like the Astros, the Twins could run out of good players to trade. Really, other than Willingham and Morneau, the only realistic trade pieces are Ryan Doumit, Glen Perkins and Jared Burton. Each of those guys might also be worth keeping around. Unlike the Astros, the Twins have more near-ready prospect talent. Aaron Hicks, Oswaldo Arcia, Alex Meyer, Kyle Gibson and Trevor May are all top ten prospects who likely will be playing in Minnesota before the end of the 2014 season. The Twins also have some payroll flexibility, and could use the 2013 off-season to truly improve their MLB team, around these young, promising players. Some are starting to say that 2013 is not a rebuilding year. I don't agree with that sentiment, but I do think the Twins are going to relevant as soon as 2014. I see strong parallels between 2014 and that 2001 season that started their AL Central mini-dynasty. There was uproar about the free agent starting pitchers that were signed this off-season, but the reality is that the Twins likely did not want to sign anyone who would block the young arms who are getting closer to Minnesota each day. There is risk here, and the middle infield is still an issue, but the Twins are amassing resources and making shrewd moves when given the opportunity. Cleveland Indians - Protein Powder [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 69-93 Shin-Soo Choo 5.6 Reds Roberto Hernandez 2.5 Rays Chris Perez 2.5 Indians Travis Hafner 2.1 Yankees Carlos Santana 1.8 Indians 2011 - 80-82 Asdrubal Cabrera 4.6 Indians Justin Masterson 3.6 Indians Carlos Santana 3.4 Indians Jack Hannahan 2.2 Reds Joe Smith 2.2 Indians 2012 - 68-94 [TD] Jason Kipnis 3.7 Indians Carlos Santana 3.7 Indians Shin-Soo Choo 3.1 Reds Asdrubal Cabrera 3 Indians Michael Brantley 2.9 Indians [/TABLE] The Indians seem to be employing a strategy similar to the Cubs. They likely had a better MLB team to begin with, but definitely do not have a comparable farm system. The Indians seem to be targeting their weaknesses and dealing from their strengths. This isn't a unique strategy, but that doesn't make it any easier to implement. The Indians needed to bolster their young pitching, and used Shin-Soo Choo, a great player, to get Trevor Bauer. Bauer has his flaws, but he also has crazy upside. The Indians also signed some good players in free agency, including Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn and yes, Mark Reynolds. They have their core of good players: Jason Kipnis, Carlos Santana, Asdrubal Cabrera, Michael Brantley, Bourn and Swisher. They have interesting arms in Bauer, Justin Masterson, Carlos Carrasco, and Ubaldo Jimenez. They also have two great bullpen arms in Vinnie Pestano and Chris Perez. You could make the argument that the Indians have been rebuilt. They might not be a World Series team, but who knows? A lot of people want to find the next 2012 Orioles or 2012 A's. Likely, there won't be one, but the Indians might be as good a bet as any other team. So, not all rebuilds are the same. Each of these teams had major flaws, and that is why they were the five worst teams in 2012. However, each is employing a different method in their quest to return to relevance. Which strategies will work? Only time will tell.
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How the worst MLB teams are rebuilding
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
Originally posted at Kevin Slowey was Framed! Not all bad teams are created equal. Some teams are bad for just one injury-plagued season. Some teams are bad for a few seasons and then good for a few seasons. Some teams are just chronically bad. Bad teams need to be changed. Bad teams have the benefit of receiving good draft picks, but other than that, they don't really gain any sort of advantage from being bad. Teams do not want to be bad. Bad teams can struggle to attract fans and free agents, while also struggling to keep their own home-grown players. Good franchises can field bad teams. Most teams go through rough patches. The Boston Red Sox might have been the most successful franchise of the 2000s, but finished in last place in 2012. Going with the local angle, the Twins were successful during that same decade, but has suffered through 2 consecutive last place seasons. As hard as it may be to swallow, the Twins need to rebuild. Some fans cringe at that word, some scoff, but the reality is that any given last place team needs to rebuild in some manner. That being said, not all rebuilds are the same. Let's look at the 5 worst teams from 2012 and try to better understand their method for rebuilding. Note: I created some charts for my own purposes. I took the 5 best players on each of these five teams, over the past three seasons. I used fWAR to determine the best 5 players. I just wanted to see if this data indicated anything. I think it does, you might disagree, but I'll include the charts as I think they are pretty interesting. The chart shows the player name, their fWAR that season, and what team this player is with right now. I used NOWHERE for players without a team, because I am a drama queen. Houston Astros - Blow Up the Outside World [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 76-86 [/TD] Michael Bourn 5.8 Indians Brett Myers 4.7 Indians Hunter Pence 2.8 Giants Roy Oswalt 2.5 NOWHERE Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates 2011 - 56-106 Carlos Lee 3.7 NOWHERE Hunter Pence 3.2 Giants Clint Barmes 2.9 Pirates Wandy Rodriguez 2.3 Pirates Michael Bourn 2.1 Indians 2012 - 55-107 Lucas Harrell 2.8 Astros Justin Maxwell 2.3 Astros Wilton Lopez 2.2 Rockies Jed Lowrie 2.1 A's Jose Altuve 1.3 Astros [/TABLE] The Astros seems to be employing the fantasy baseball "full rebuild." They have basically taken each and every valuable player and traded them for younger pieces. They will hang on to young, cheap players, but anyone else is being used to rebuild their farm system. They will likely have a payroll around 25 million this season, which is comically low. When you look at their chart, you can see that nearly every valuable player has been moved. The three remaining players are all pre-arbitration. Only Bud Norris and Carlos Pena will make more than 2 million dollars in 2013, and both seem very unlikely to finish their seasons in Houston. The present in Houston is terribly bleak. The future is getting brighter. Their farm system is much improved. Going into 2012, the Astros had a terrible team and a terrible farm system. Only one of those statements is true today, due to their trades. It also doesn't hurt to get the first pick in the draft, which they used to draft a very promising shortstop named Carlos Correa. The farm system is nice, but everyone knows that prospects aren't sure bets. My biggest issue with this form of rebuild is that teams eventually run out of good players to trade. Right now, Houston might be able to get something for Norris, Lucas Harrell and Jose Altuve. Do they really want to trade those guys? Each is relatively young, each is relatively productive and each is under team control for the foreseeable future. At some point, these atom bomb rebuilds have to start showing MLB results. Correa won't be ready for years. They have the first pick this June as well, but who knows when that player will be ready? This rebuild could take 5 more years, for all we know. It's a risky endeavor, that is for sure. Chicago Cubs - Mrs Dash [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 75-87 Marlon Byrd 3.5 Mets Geovany Soto 3.1 Rangers Carlos Marmol 2.6 Cubs Randy Wells 2.6 Rangers Carlos Zambrano 2.5 NOWHERE 2011 - 71-91 Starlin Castro 3 Cubs Aramis Ramirez 2.5 Brewers Matt Garza 2.5 Cubs Sean Marshall 2.4 Reds Carlos Pena 2.3 Astros 2012 - 61-101 Darwin Barney 4.6 Cubs Starlin Castro 3.5 Cubs Ryan Dempster 3.3 Red Sox Anthony Rizzo 2.2 Cubs Alfonso Soriano 1.8 Cubs [/TABLE] The Cubs are one of those franchises that seems to sprinkle good seasons around their general misery. It makes me sad. I like the Cubs and I hope they turn things around. It looks like my hopes might be coming to fruition. The Cubs do not seem to want to sit around, blow things up and wait to see if their talented prospects pan out. Instead, they are seasoning in some good players here and there, making smart decisions and trying to build the ship as they sail, so to speak. They certainly do not have the payroll of a rebuilding team. They'll likely settle in right around $100 million, but that isn't a crazy figure when you consider their market and fan-base. Their roster is better going into 2013 and they have some pieces that they could move if the team struggles, but who can also contribute if the team experiences some success. They have a nice young core of players, including Starlin Castro, Anthony Rizzo, Jeff Samardija and yes, Darwin Barney. They have some elite prospects in their system and they will pick 2nd in the June draft. It seems that the Cubs are willing to move anyone outside of their young core and farm system. They added depth to their starting staff, and signed guys who can be moved if the 2013 season isn't going well. They went upside with Scott Baker, Scott Feldman and Carlos Villanueva. If one guy hits, they could have a long-term contributor in their rotation. If all three hit, well, that would be nice for the Cub fans. There is obvious risk in this strategy as well. The market for injured pitchers isn't great, and the Cubs exploited that, but they will have to rely on that same market if they decide to try to move those pitchers. Colorado Rockies - Hide under coats; hope it all works out [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 83-79 Ubaldo Jimenez 7.3 Indians Troy Tulowitzki 6.5 Rockies Carlos Gonzalez 5.8 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 2.4 Rockies Miguel Olivo 2.3 Reds 2011 - 73-89 Troy Tulowitzki 5.9 Rockies Carlos Gonzalez 4.2 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 3.6 Rockies Chris Iannetta 3.1 Angels Dexter Fowler 2.5 Rockies 2012 - 64-98 Rafael Betancourt 2.6 Rockies Dexter Fowler 2.5 Rockies Matt Belisle 2.3 Rockies Jhoulys Chacin 2 Rockies Josh Roenicke 2 Twins [/TABLE] The Rockies confuse me. They have had two consecutive bad seasons. They have a couple of superstar players, but both miss a decent chunk of seemingly each season (Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez). They did next to nothing this off-season, other than signing Jeff Francis, and trading for Reid Brignac and Wilton Lopez. These aren't moves that help rebuild a team. They also did not trade anyone for any sort of young player or prospect. Their strategy seems to hinge on healthy seasons from their stars and development from their young pitchers. Their farm system is pretty poor, so there isn't a lot of help coming from that part of the organization. They have good players (I love Dexter Fowler), but they also have old players. Gonzalez is 27 and Tulowitzki is 28. Both are signed forever, so that is good, but there isn't much around them. Michael Cuddyer is overrated, Todd Helton is a billion and I can't think of a third thing. I think that is a bad sign. I can't assess any risk because I have no idea what they are even doing. Minnesota Twins - Some sort of Cobra-Squirrel hybrid [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 94-68 Joe Mauer 5.5 Twins Justin Morneau 4.6 Twins Jim Thome 3.4 NOWHERE Orlando Hudson 2.6 NOWHERE Brian Duensing 2.4 Twins 2011 - 63-99 Scott Baker 4.2 Cubs Denard Span 2.3 Nationals Glen Perkins 2 Twins Carl Pavano 1.8 NOWHERE Michael Cuddyer 1.7 Rockies 2012 - 66-96 Denard Span 4.8 Nationals Joe Mauer 4.1 Twins Jamey Carroll 3.2 Twins Josh Willingham 2.9 Twins Ben Revere 2.4 Phillies [/TABLE] The Twins have certainly struck like a cobra in a few instances this off-season. They added three young pitchers (Vance Worley, Alex Meyer, and Trevor May) in two excellent trades. At the same time, they have been hesitant to trade off other valuable players like Josh Willingham and Justin Morneau. They may simply be lying in wait, looking for the best deal. It is also possible that the market for these two players isn't very good right now. Each has question marks, and each could address them in 2013, raising their trade value. The Twins never really seem committed to a full rebuild, but they have done a nice job of picking their spots and addressing their needs. It is still a work-in-progress though. Much like the Astros, the Twins could run out of good players to trade. Really, other than Willingham and Morneau, the only realistic trade pieces are Ryan Doumit, Glen Perkins and Jared Burton. Each of those guys might also be worth keeping around. Unlike the Astros, the Twins have more near-ready prospect talent. Aaron Hicks, Oswaldo Arcia, Alex Meyer, Kyle Gibson and Trevor May are all top ten prospects who likely will be playing in Minnesota before the end of the 2014 season. The Twins also have some payroll flexibility, and could use the 2013 off-season to truly improve their MLB team, around these young, promising players. Some are starting to say that 2013 is not a rebuilding year. I don't agree with that sentiment, but I do think the Twins are going to relevant as soon as 2014. I see strong parallels between 2014 and that 2001 season that started their AL Central mini-dynasty. There was uproar about the free agent starting pitchers that were signed this off-season, but the reality is that the Twins likely did not want to sign anyone who would block the young arms who are getting closer to Minnesota each day. There is risk here, and the middle infield is still an issue, but the Twins are amassing resources and making shrewd moves when given the opportunity. Cleveland Indians - Protein Powder [TABLE=class: grid, width: 500] 2010 - 69-93 Shin-Soo Choo 5.6 Reds Roberto Hernandez 2.5 Rays Chris Perez 2.5 Indians Travis Hafner 2.1 Yankees Carlos Santana 1.8 Indians 2011 - 80-82 Asdrubal Cabrera 4.6 Indians Justin Masterson 3.6 Indians Carlos Santana 3.4 Indians Jack Hannahan 2.2 Reds Joe Smith 2.2 Indians 2012 - 68-94 [TD] Jason Kipnis 3.7 Indians Carlos Santana 3.7 Indians Shin-Soo Choo 3.1 Reds Asdrubal Cabrera 3 Indians Michael Brantley 2.9 Indians [/TABLE] The Indians seem to be employing a strategy similar to the Cubs. They likely had a better MLB team to begin with, but definitely do not have a comparable farm system. The Indians seem to be targeting their weaknesses and dealing from their strengths. This isn't a unique strategy, but that doesn't make it any easier to implement. The Indians needed to bolster their young pitching, and used Shin-Soo Choo, a great player, to get Trevor Bauer. Bauer has his flaws, but he also has crazy upside. The Indians also signed some good players in free agency, including Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn and yes, Mark Reynolds. They have their core of good players: Jason Kipnis, Carlos Santana, Asdrubal Cabrera, Michael Brantley, Bourn and Swisher. They have interesting arms in Bauer, Justin Masterson, Carlos Carrasco, and Ubaldo Jimenez. They also have two great bullpen arms in Vinnie Pestano and Chris Perez. You could make the argument that the Indians have been rebuilt. They might not be a World Series team, but who knows? A lot of people want to find the next 2012 Orioles or 2012 A's. Likely, there won't be one, but the Indians might be as good a bet as any other team. So, not all rebuilds are the same. Each of these teams had major flaws, and that is why they were the five worst teams in 2012. However, each is employing a different method in their quest to return to relevance. Which strategies will work? Only time will tell. -
Who has the most to prove in 2013?
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
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Who has the most to prove in 2013?
Brad Swanson commented on Brad Swanson's blog entry in Kevin Slowey was Framed!
i didn't even think of Gardy, but yeah, he might have the most on the line. -
I like Rosario a lot. He feels like a classic overachiever; someone who always exceeds expectations and puts up better numbers than many are anticipating.

