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  1. Two big pitching trades have been made this week and several more have been close. With all that activity, could it be that Terry Ryan has missed his chance to maximize his return on Francisco Liriano? I don’t think so, but I also doubt we’ll see a move soon. Still Lots Of Interest The Tigers acquired Anibal Sanchez on Monday and the Pirates traded for Wandy Rodriguez on Tuesday. Both are top notch pitchers that could be viewed as comparable (or better) than Liriano. Furthermore, yesterday Dan Gladden revealed that the Twins had long talks with the Pirates before they walked away and the Pirates worked out a deal with Houston for Rodriguez. It also appears that the Dodgers are in a standoff with the Cubs for Ryan Dempster, a standoff they’re likely to win since Dempster has already vetoed a trade to the Braves. That’s three “buyers” likely gone for Ryan. But it appears that there are still plenty left. Within the past month, the Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, Braves and Blue Jays have all been rumored to be interested in Liriano. Plus, the Orioles, Nationals, Mets, White Sox and Cardinals have all demonstrated they are interested in adding starting pitching. That is ten teams, albeit with varying level of interest. Still Lots Of Uncertainty But things are still moving slowly because nobody is sure exactly which pitchers are going to be available. Cole Hamels is out because he just signed an extension with Philadelphia. Matt Garza might be out, because “forearm pain” is often the first sign of an elbow ligament tear, so teams want to see him pitch again, and the Cubs say he might not. Rumors have been flying about the Marlins Josh Johnson, but the Marlins now say they would need to be blown away to trade him. On the other hand, Zach Greinke is almost certainly available. He’ll almost certainly be moved to teams before Liriano, because most GMs will try for Greinke first and turn to Liriano as the backup choice. It’s not clear if some other huge names like the Phillies Cliff Lee or the Rays James Shields are available because they aren’t “rental” players, so any trade would require major prospects. The buyers are going to want to explore all these options, looking for the best deal. The Waiting Game So it appears we’re going to need to wait a bit longer. Liriano hasn’t been consistent enough to make anyone overpay for him before others have signed. But it also appears that ultimately, there are going to be more teams looking for top-tier pitchers than there will be top-tier pitchers. If that stays true, it playing the waiting game is still the best hope for maximizing Liriano’s value.
  2. Two big pitching trades have been made this week and several more have been close. With all that activity, could it be that Terry Ryan has missed his chance to maximize his return on Francisco Liriano? I don’t think so, but I also doubt we’ll see a move soon. Still Lots Of Interest The Tigers acquired Anibal Sanchez on Monday and the Pirates traded for Wandy Rodriguez on Tuesday. Both are top notch pitchers that could be viewed as comparable (or better) than Liriano. Furthermore, yesterday Dan Gladden revealed that the Twins had long talks with the Pirates before they walked away and the Pirates worked out a deal with Houston for Rodriguez. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]It also appears that the Dodgers are in a standoff with the Cubs for Ryan Dempster, a standoff they’re likely to win since Dempster has already vetoed a trade to the Braves. That’s three “buyers” likely gone for Ryan. But it appears that there are still plenty left. Within the past month, the Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, Braves and Blue Jays have all been rumored to be interested in Liriano. Plus, the Orioles, Nationals, Mets, White Sox and Cardinals have all demonstrated they are interested in adding starting pitching. That is ten teams, albeit with varying level of interest. Still Lots Of Uncertainty But things are still moving slowly because nobody is sure exactly which pitchers are going to be available. Cole Hamels is out because he just signed an extension with Philadelphia. Matt Garza might be out, because “forearm pain” is often the first sign of an elbow ligament tear, so teams want to see him pitch again, and the Cubs say he might not. Rumors have been flying about the Marlins Josh Johnson, but the Marlins now say they would need to be blown away to trade him. On the other hand, Zach Greinke is almost certainly available. He’ll almost certainly be moved to teams before Liriano, because most GMs will try for Greinke first and turn to Liriano as the backup choice. It’s not clear if some other huge names like the Phillies Cliff Lee or the Rays James Shields are available because they aren’t “rental” players, so any trade would require major prospects. The buyers are going to want to explore all these options, looking for the best deal. The Waiting Game So it appears we’re going to need to wait a bit longer. Liriano hasn’t been consistent enough to make anyone overpay for him before others have signed. But it also appears that ultimately, there are going to be more teams looking for top-tier pitchers than there will be top-tier pitchers. If that stays true, it playing the waiting game is still the best hope for maximizing Liriano’s value.
  3. Rosenthal mentioned Tony Cigrani as trade bait. Thoughts? His stats look outstanding.
  4. There have been multiple reports from mid-July that the Angels are interested in Liriano. I find that a little hard to believe, but maybe...
  5. I wonder if there is any chance the Twins promote him before the year is finished. I would assume not - it's pretty late in the minors season already.
  6. What about Burton? I doubt he's untouchable, and the Giants are in the market for relievers.
  7. Good initial blogging efforts Killer. L like that you're bringing some research to these stories and not just opinions. One suggestion I would make would be to change you're formatting up a little. On computer screens, short paragraphs with only a few sentences work pretty well. And then have a full line break between that and the next paragraph. People feel overwhelmed when they don't have enough white space while reading. It also looks like maybe you're writing this someplace else and then cutting and pasting it into the text box? I do the same thing, but make sure you then go and edit it, because I see a lot of times where the words run into each other. That's usually because the "word wrap" or something like it isn't happening in the other program. If you try some other ways, it'll make it easier for you. Finally, one cheating mechanism we often use is "bullet points" which I think the blogs support. Or you can use headers if you're talking about multiple stories. I'm not sure if I would have used that here or not. I might have formatted this something like this: First of all thanks to those who read my first article that I posted yesterday. I got more views then I hoped for. One person even liked it, thanks mom! Well, if it’s allowed on a Twins blog, I have a few thoughts on yesterday’s trades. Tigers-Marlins It looks like the Tigers are going all in for 2012. They traded a top 15 pitching prospect a couple fringe prospects and a sandwich draft pick for next season. In return, they got Anibal Sanchez, an above average pitcher and certainly a need for the Tigers. However, he has a 3.94 ERA in the National league and is coming to the American League. He does have a FIP of 3.41; however that doesn’t count for much in this situation when you consider the defense that is playing behind him. That problem is compounded when you consider a groundball rate of 47.6% and the Tigers infield. On the plus side he has a very good strikeout rate of 8.18 per 9. He should fit in nicely behind Verlander, Fister and Scherzer and gives them another solid option in a playoff game. They also received Omar Infante. Infante is nothing special at the plate he makes enough contact to hit for a decent average but has a very low walk rate and an OBP of .312. He has occasional power and speed, but not difference-making. He is solidly above average defensively at second base with a 5.5UZR. However, compared to what the Tigers had at second base fans are going to be calling him the MVP. Overall the Marlins did very well in this trade getting agood pitching prospect for the future. I know some Tigers fans are down on Turner but keep in mind the kid is only 21 and may have been rushed to the bigs. The Fish also got a bit of a bonus with 2 prospects who could pan out and a sandwich pick which can produce some nice players. For the Tigers Sanchez and Infante probably add 2-4 wins forthe rest of the season. The big impact is on the playoffs; this solidifies the rotation and takes care of the gaping black hole at second base. Do I think that the Tigers gave up too much? Yes, and if this doesn’t go well they could really regret it in the near future. However, if them helps them win the World Series, to quote ESPNs Keith Law “Flags fly forever.” Ichiro To The Yankees The other trade involved a big name and little impact. ........ See what I mean? How that's easier to read?
  8. I think it's an interesting thought. It's not crazy. It couldn't be straight up, but if the DBacks are looking to save some money, Span could be part of that package. And I don't think the DBacks are in full "rebuilding" mode - they would probably like a cheaper major league player. I'm not sure where he fits exactly if they're that sold on Parra, however. Span could also be a cheap replacement for Chris Young, who is going to make $8.5M next year (and is hitting .223, albeit w power and patience.)
  9. You're right - I messed up. I was thinking of Grossman as the B level prospect but got all turned around when I posted that. I'll edit quickly.
  10. Just got this not on Twitter: #Astros are paying up to $17.7 of the $30M due Rodriguez for the rest of this year, next year, & 2014 (if option is picked up) That changes the calculus quite a bit.
  11. On ESPN 1500 during the 12:00 hour, Dan Gladden said the Twins had lots of talk with the Pirates about Liriano, but Ryan wasn't satisfied with the return he would get. Of course, the Pirates just went out and got Wandy Rodriguez instead, netting 3 prospects: a "B" level outfielder and two lesser pitching prospects. More on that on this thread. I gotta say, I don't think I would've buried Ryan had they got from the Pirates what the Astros did. Given Wandy Rodriguez's contract for next year, I gotta think they could have.
  12. I'm baffled by this one. They gave up Rudy Owens (LHP), Robbie Grossman (OF), and Colton Cain (LHP). Coming into the season, Goldstein ranked: Grossman as 4 stars Cain as 3 stars Owens as 2 stars.I gotta think the Twins would have taken that package for Liriano. Plus, Rodriguez is going to cost the fiscally conservative Pirates $13M next year. He's a good pitcher, maybe better than Liriano, but I can't believe Liriano wouldn't have been a better fit for them because of that contract. But the news gets worse, I think. I've been of the opinion that the Pirates need to add some hitting. (They've been better, but they're still 23rd in the majors.) Span looked like a good fit. But if they just committed that much money (and that many prospects) to Rodriguez, I have to think they're done.
  13. Personally, I think Florimon would be better served getting his experience at AAA for a bit longer. He's hardly dominating. But if a Carroll trade brings back even a mediocre arm, and it require promoting Florimon, I'm all for it.
  14. I get in a losing year trading away Sanchez because he's going to be a free agent. And I can sort of figure out dangling Hanley Ramirez if they truly believe he is a player without a position (even if he isn't.) But why shop Josh Johnson, who is under contract for next year, around? If they're going to trade a pitcher, why not one making more money? If they're going to blow things up, why start there of all places? What are they trying to accomplish?
  15. I missed the Twitter exchange between Aaron Gleeman and Glen Perkins last night, but Aaron was kind enough to revisit it on Hard Ball Talk. I like that Perkins responded. I like that Aaron insinuated Perkins is a nerd. I like it all.
  16. In today's Strib (link), I was really surprised to hear that Trevor Plouffe and his aching thumb, which were supposed to be good go to on Sund, er Mond, er...will not be playing at all until at least Friday, a week after he injured it. At least two talkers here.... 1) Why can't this team just use the DL? Why can't they evaluate injuries competently? I'm somewhat willing to cut them some slack on this one, because there isn't really anyone they can call up, but it's just so crazy predictable. I could have told you how this was going to play out on Saturday. 2) Who do they call up? Valencia? He would seem the logical choice, but he's been terrible. Florimon maybe to serve as a utility infielder behind Casilla, Dozier and Carroll? Who do you want and who do you think it'll be?
  17. Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post wrote that the Nationals are interested in in improving their middle infield depth and have considered (among others) Jamey Carroll. (Link) I gotta say, I think it makes a ton of sense. Besides being a competent utility infielder/fringy starter, it gives the Nationals a decent OBP guy (their leadoff hitters have been dreadful) and gets Carroll back to the National League. From the Twins standpoint, I wonder what they would want? It would get Carroll's contract ($3.75M) off the books for next year and get rid of any chance of that 3rd year option vesting. But it's not like middle infield is a position of depth for this team. It's also not like they would get much - I would think a "C" prospect at best. (Just to pick two names at random who I don't really know, would Taylor Jordan or Josh Smoker be available?) Whaddya think?
  18. You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?830-Big-Trades-Impact-Twins
  19. Two huge trades went through yesterday and both of them impact the Twins to some degree. Yankees Acquire Ichiro Suzuki Yesterday the Yankees acquired Ichiro Suzuki (and cash) for little more than a lesser prospect and a waiver wire pickup. It had been reported that they had explored trades for both Denard Span and Shane Victorino of the Phillies, so this gives the Twins one less suitor to court. But it doesn’t properly reflect the market. In nearly all respects except name recognition, Denard Span is worth quite a bit more than Ichiro to a major league team. Ichiro is 38, comes with a price tag over $6M for this year, is a free agent at the end of the year, and his OBP is just .288. (For reference, Tsuyoshi Nishioka’s OBP last year was just 10 points lower.) Span is 28, will cost the team $1M, is under contract for two more years (plus a 3rd year team option) and has an OBP of .340. Finally, Ichiro had trade veto rights, so he was only going to go where he WANTED to go. This was a salary dump, and possibly a favor to Ichiro, which is very different than a Span trade would be. But it does mean one less team is interested in Span, taken by a player we didn’t really know is on the market. That doesn’t mean that the market has dried up. As far as lead-off hitters go, there are still plenty of options: Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore and the Dodgers could all be labeled “borderline desperate” for a high OBP player. So could the Nationals, who incidentally approached the Twins about Span last year. The more I look at it, the more I believe that some team is going to talk themselves into Span at the deadline. He’s a better fit for more teams than has generally been acknowledged. Tigers Acquire Anibal Sanchez When the Marlins, who had seemingly pushed all their chips into the middle of the table this offseason, announced they were looking to sell off key players, it was bad news for the Twins. The Marlins have plenty to offer teams looking to get better. That includes right-handed pitcher Anibal Sanchez, who is becoming a free agent at the end of the year and positioned to do even better than Francisco Liriano on the free agent market. He was traded yesterday to the Detroit Tigers along with Omar Infante, a starting second baseman. In return, the Tigers built a package around starting pitcher Jacob Turner, who entered the season as an “A” prospect, though he’s struggled a bit in AAA and the majors this year. They added a couple of “C” prospects too. Meanwhile, there were multiple reports that the Cubs had an agreemenent to trade Ryan Dempster to the Braves for a package that include Randall Delgado, another “A” starting pitching prospect who has struggled a bit this year in the majors. This suggests that right now, eight days before the deadline, aggressive (or risk-adverse) teams are willing to overpay with borderline “A” pitching prospects for an exceptional pitcher. That doesn’t mean the Twins have received that kind of an offer. Dempster was clearly valued higher than Liriano. Sanchez is at least comparable, and certainly has been more consistent. (Also, since the Tigers are in the Twins division it was unlikely they would want to trade the Twins a prospect that will face them for years to come.) There are still a few hands to play before we find out where Liriano ranks in the trade market. Lots of additional names could hit the market - or they could not. The Phillies are negotiating with Cole Hamels. Zach Greinke and Matt Garza both suddenly have injury concerns. Either way, there are still plenty of teams interested in Liriano. But so far, the market seems to be dictating that the market for moving a pitcher like Liriano is strong. We’ll see in the next week whether it gets better or worse.
  20. Two huge trades went through yesterday and both of them impact the Twins to some degree. Yankees Acquire Ichiro Suzuki Yesterday the Yankees acquired Ichiro Suzuki (and cash) for little more than a lesser prospect and a waiver wire pickup. It had been reported that they had explored trades for both Denard Span and Shane Victorino of the Phillies, so this gives the Twins one less suitor to court. But it doesn’t properly reflect the market. In nearly all respects except name recognition, Denard Span is worth quite a bit more than Ichiro to a major league team. Ichiro is 38, comes with a price tag over $6M for this year, is a free agent at the end of the year, and his OBP is just .288. (For reference, Tsuyoshi Nishioka’s OBP last year was just 10 points lower.) Span is 28, will cost the team $1M, is under contract for two more years (plus a 3rd year team option) and has an OBP of .340. Finally, Ichiro had trade veto rights, so he was only going to go where he WANTED to go. This was a salary dump, and possibly a favor to Ichiro, which is very different than a Span trade would be. But it does mean one less team is interested in Span, taken by a player we didn’t really know is on the market. That doesn’t mean that the market has dried up. As far as lead-off hitters go, there are still plenty of options: Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore and the Dodgers could all be labeled “borderline desperate” for a high OBP player. So could the Nationals, who incidentally approached the Twins about Span last year. The more I look at it, the more I believe that some team is going to talk themselves into Span at the deadline. He’s a better fit for more teams than has generally been acknowledged. Tigers Acquire Anibal Sanchez When the Marlins, who had seemingly pushed all their chips into the middle of the table this offseason, announced they were looking to sell off key players, it was bad news for the Twins. The Marlins have plenty to offer teams looking to get better. That includes right-handed pitcher Anibal Sanchez, who is becoming a free agent at the end of the year and positioned to do even better than Francisco Liriano on the free agent market. He was traded yesterday to the Detroit Tigers along with Omar Infante, a starting second baseman. In return, the Tigers built a package around starting pitcher Jacob Turner, who entered the season as an “A” prospect, though he’s struggled a bit in AAA and the majors this year. They added a couple of “C” prospects too. Meanwhile, there were multiple reports that the Cubs had an agreemenent to trade Ryan Dempster to the Braves for a package that include Randall Delgado, another “A” starting pitching prospect who has struggled a bit this year in the majors. This suggests that right now, eight days before the deadline, aggressive (or risk-adverse) teams are willing to overpay with borderline “A” pitching prospects for an exceptional pitcher. That doesn’t mean the Twins have received that kind of an offer. Dempster was clearly valued higher than Liriano. Sanchez is at least comparable, and certainly has been more consistent. (Also, since the Tigers are in the Twins division it was unlikely they would want to trade the Twins a prospect that will face them for years to come.) There are still a few hands to play before we find out where Liriano ranks in the trade market. Lots of additional names could hit the market - or they could not. The Phillies are negotiating with Cole Hamels. Zach Greinke and Matt Garza both suddenly have injury concerns. Either way, there are still plenty of teams interested in Liriano. But so far, the market seems to be dictating that the market for moving a pitcher like Liriano is strong. We’ll see in the next week whether it gets better or worse.
  21. Two huge trades went through yesterday and both of them impact the Twins to some degree. Yankees Acquire Ichiro Suzuki Yesterday the Yankees acquired Ichiro Suzuki (and cash) for little more than a lesser prospect and a waiver wire pickup. It had been reported that they had explored trades for both Denard Span and Shane Victorino of the Phillies, so this gives the Twins one less suitor to court. But it doesn’t properly reflect the market. In nearly all respects except name recognition, Denard Span is worth quite a bit more than Ichiro to a major league team. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]Ichiro is 38, comes with a price tag over $6M for this year, is a free agent at the end of the year, and his OBP is just .288. (For reference, Tsuyoshi Nishioka’s OBP last year was just 10 points lower.) Span is 28, will cost the team $1M, is under contract for two more years (plus a 3rd year team option) and has an OBP of .340. Finally, Ichiro had trade veto rights, so he was only going to go where he WANTED to go. This was a salary dump, and possibly a favor to Ichiro, which is very different than a Span trade would be. But it does mean one less team is interested in Span, taken by a player we didn’t really know is on the market. That doesn’t mean that the market has dried up. As far as lead-off hitters go, there are still plenty of options: Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore and the Dodgers could all be labeled “borderline desperate” for a high OBP player. So could the Nationals, who incidentally approached the Twins about Span last year. The more I look at it, the more I believe that some team is going to talk themselves into Span at the deadline. He’s a better fit for more teams than has generally been acknowledged. Tigers Acquire Anibal Sanchez When the Marlins, who had seemingly pushed all their chips into the middle of the table this offseason, announced they were looking to sell off key players, it was bad news for the Twins. The Marlins have plenty to offer teams looking to get better. That includes right-handed pitcher Anibal Sanchez, who is becoming a free agent at the end of the year and positioned to do even better than Francisco Liriano on the free agent market. He was traded yesterday to the Detroit Tigers along with Omar Infante, a starting second baseman. In return, the Tigers built a package around starting pitcher Jacob Turner, who entered the season as an “A” prospect, though he’s struggled a bit in AAA and the majors this year. They added a couple of “C” prospects too. Meanwhile, there were multiple reports that the Cubs had an agreemenent to trade Ryan Dempster to the Braves for a package that include Randall Delgado, another “A” starting pitching prospect who has struggled a bit this year in the majors. This suggests that right now, eight days before the deadline, aggressive (or risk-adverse) teams are willing to overpay with borderline “A” pitching prospects for an exceptional pitcher. That doesn’t mean the Twins have received that kind of an offer. Dempster was clearly valued higher than Liriano. Sanchez is at least comparable, and certainly has been more consistent. (Also, since the Tigers are in the Twins division it was unlikely they would want to trade the Twins a prospect that will face them for years to come.) There are still a few hands to play before we find out where Liriano ranks in the trade market. Lots of additional names could hit the market - or they could not. The Phillies are negotiating with Cole Hamels. Zach Greinke and Matt Garza both suddenly have injury concerns. Either way, there are still plenty of teams interested in Liriano. But so far, the market seems to be dictating that the market for moving a pitcher like Liriano is strong. We’ll see in the next week whether it gets better or worse.
  22. But that's the way negotiating works. I assure you: it isn't the Twins who want to wait. It's the other teams. One of the first lessons of negotiation is that "time" is a point of leverage, and it's usually the buyer that can use that leverage. There is a big incentive for the seller to sell right now, but there is usually very little reason for the buyer to want to buy right now. They have done without this thing for most of their life - what's another 48 hours? Yes, the team that wants Frankie, if they traded today, would get two extra starts, and that's not without value. But it's not worth overpaying for because they want to see if Hamels or Greinke or Sanchez or Garza might also be on the market. If those guys come on the market, the Twins will probably need to settle for a bit less than they are hoping for, but if they don't, then the Twins have several teams, some of whom are in competition with each other like the Braves and Nationals, battling it out for Frankie. At that point "value" becomes a very relative term. They aren't computing if he's worth 2 or 2.4 WAR over the rest of the season. They're looking at increasing their chances of the postseason or watching their competitor increase THEIR chances of the postseason. It becomes a "win or go home" scenario. Suddenly that high-upside guy in A ball seems very far away from helping the team. Maybe he is worth throwing into the package.
  23. I'll predict this is NOT his last start in a Twins uniform. He'll still be in a Twins uniform next Sunday. Because teams are having trouble sorting out if they're in it or not, teams are waiting to see who is really available before giving their best offer. This is going to go down to the wire. (And from the Twins perspective, that's the way they should play it.)
  24. I'd grade Provus higher, Smalley lower and Kelly a little higher, though I agree that it seems like he would run out of things to say. As for Bremer and Gladden, I'm ok with Bremer and I like Gladden as a color guy. The one thing I like it the he calls it like he sees it. But he struggles with play by play - I often don't know what really happened when listening to him. And I agree with the author that he and Provus lacked chemistry initially. It seems like it's getting better and I hope that's because Gladden is starting to recognize he's not alpha dog there. He shouldn't be. He makes a great complimentary piece, but Provus needs to be the show.
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