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  1. By my rankings, Tovar makes sense, he was next man up. That makes my top23 all named to the HOF except Mauer who I assume is coming soon. I think Cuddyer (28), Guardado (34), and Gagne (35) were reaches. Gladden is a big leap (I have him at 47) but I can see him getting a boost from his off the field work for the Twins in the booth which I don't give any bonus points in my rankings for. https://wgom.org/2021/10/25/top-300-minnesota-twins-of-all-time-updated-through-2021/
  2. I've updated the top 300 Twins of all time to now include 2021 results. Who do you think I'm the most off base on? Who's underrated/overrated? https://wgom.org/2021/10/25/top-300-minnesota-twins-of-all-time-updated-through-2021/
  3. For me, I think Dozier should be a Twins HOFer (and I'm pretty sure he will eventually). Not counting Mauer (who will be in very soon) on my list I have Dozier right after Cesar Tovar on my Twins ranking list. Hopefully the next 3 Twins entering the HOF will be Mauer, Tovar, Dozier. I have Dozier ranked higher than 3 other Twins already in the HOF (Cuddyer, Guardado, Gagne)
  4. You probably are under-rating Mack quite a bit (he was very under-valued at his time). B-ref has him as the 2nd best Twin on the 1991 champs (behind Tapani) and the 2nd best player (behind Puckett) on the 90 win team the following year. Also, the Twins have a pretty good list of top players, especially when you factor in I'm only looking at 59 years and many of the below franchises are over 100 years old. See the teams that started around the same time as the Twin below. If you look at teams like Orioles/Redsox/Dodgers that have been around 50 years more oftent the 24th best player only has about 30-35 rWAR 24th best player by B-ref Twins Shane Mack 19.6 Mets Ron Darling 16.8 Angels Doug DeCinces 18.9 Rangers Kevin Brown 17.7 Astros Dallas Keuchel 18.3
  5. I've updated my top 300 list of Twins all time through the 2019 regular season. Hopefully there will be some postseason heroics/accolades to add to the resume of the 2019 Twins, but for now this is where I have them sitting. Let me know what you think. Who's overated, who's underated? https://wgom.org/2019/10/03/minnesota-twins-top-300-twins-of-all-time-one-mans-opinion-through-2019-season/
  6. Can you trade Jorge Alcala, Gilberto Celstino, Dakota Chalmers, Ryan Costello, and Chase De Jong for the 2019 equivalents of 2018 pitchers Fernando Rodney, Zach Duke, and Ryan Pressley (aka a 6th inning LHP and 2 7th/8th inning RHPs?)
  7. I think Perez a month ago is on this list but given his slight step backward lately, he's probably below the cut line. Would you trade Nick Gordon right now for a Martin Perez pitcher? I wouldn't. I thought about those type of players as I listed. Would you deal Larnach/Javier for a rental of someone like Odo? I might. But I probably wouldn't go quite that high for a rental of Gibson.
  8. Hearing people talk about "trade value" makes me wonder, in the organization who has the most trade value (IE what can they get you in return), obviously certain players (1/2 year or Odorizzi) appear to teams needing help just for 2019 while others (Lewis, etc) for teams looking at value down the road. What do you think? How far off am I? 1. Berrios: team control for 3 1/2 years 2. Buxton: team control for 3 1/2 years 3. Polanco: team control for 4.5 years plus 2 options 4. Kepler: team control for 4.5 years plus 1 option 5. Lewis: team control for 6 years 6. Rosario: team control for 2.5 years 7. Garver: team control for 4.5 years 8. Kirilov: team control for 6 years 9. Rogers: team control for 3.5 years 10. Graterol: team control for 6 years 11. Odorzzi: team control for .5 years 12. Larnach: team control for 6 years 13. Javier: team control for 6 years 14. Sano: team control for 2.5 years 15. Gibson: team control for .5 years 16. Cron: team control for 1.5 years 17. Gonzalez: team control for 1.5 years 18. Cruz: team control for .5 years plus 1 option 19-25: prospects 6-whateverr on your list (Rocker/Duran/Thorpe/Gordon/Severino/Arraez)
  9. Twins currently have an OPS+ of 126 per Baseball-reference. The best in their 58 year history is 1988 when they had an OPS+ of 111 (2nd highest in baseball that year). In the previous 58 years, they've only been better than average (OPS+ of 101 or more 21 times). Their worst year was 1981 with a 78 OPS+.
  10. Joe/Junior Ortiz is on there. #237 Seth, I agree on Kepler/Becker. When I saw how similar their numbers were that seemed a perfect resting spot for Max.
  11. I've updated my list to include all 2018 stats. 3 new members this year, who am I underating/overating? https://wgom.org/2018/10/05/minnesota-twins-top-300-twins-of-all-time-one-mans-opinion-through-2018-season/
  12. "Morneau was an MVP. So he could be on there for sure." So was Zoilo. In 57 years of baseball, it takes more than just a MVP award to get you in the top15 (although I think Justin barely sneaks in anyway)
  13. you pretty much matched my list (top300 link below). We had Puckett and Carew flip flopped as the only difference in the top7 and only Morneau vs Nathan in the top15. I think you are relying too much on Bref's WAR compared to other methods from Bill James/B-prospectus/Fangraphs. Radke does better than Kaat according to b-ref, but Kaat is much better in other methods. https://wgom.org/2017/10/09/one-mans-opinion-of-the-top-300-twins-of-all-time-updated-through-2017/
  14. Downtown Darrell Brown was the last one bumped from last year's list. Along with Juan Castro and Brent Gates once Berrios, Kintzler, and Jason Castro were added this year.
  15. Thoughts? Who did I overrate and who did I underrate? https://wgom.org/2017/10/09/one-mans-opinion-of-the-top-300-twins-of-all-time-updated-through-2017/
  16. 103 losses is ugly, but individually at least a couple Twins moved up the list in 2016 https://wgom.org/2016/10/06/top-300-twins-of-all-time-one-mans-opinion/
  17. The YRS column is Years Started. Al New Newman was a bench player morst of his Twins tenure, Punto about half the time. 5 starting pitchers, one closer, and 10 position players get a mark in that column every year.
  18. You like Pedro Munoz and Pat Mears more? It's not like Trevor had to shake a ton of future Hall of Famers to get there (well he did leapfrog both Winfield and Thome this year I guess)
  19. Year 55 in the books, Mauer still can't quite catch Tony. Hunter moves ahead of Perry. Dozer and Perkins move up into the top60, Plouffe into the top100. Sano/Rosario/Hicks/Pelfrey/Milone/Ervin join the list new this year. https://wgom.org/2015/10/29/updated-one-mans-opinion-of-top300-twins-55-years-of-numbers/
  20. Other 1-2 combos. Hometown boys Mauer and Hrbek at 5/6. 8th inning Juans Berenguer and Rincon at 87/88 60s CFs Uhlaender and Green at 98/99 Hometown boys part deux with Winfield and Steinbach at 128/129 60s bullpen mates Pleis and Roland at 177/178 game163 heros Casilla/Gomez at 193/194 utility infielders Hocking/Wasthington at 200/201 failed 90s starters Mahomes/Banks 208/209
  21. FYI, There have been 751 total players in the 54 year history of the Twins. So this list represents about the top40%. 225 of the Twins had less than 50 at bats or innings pitched. Players who didn't make the cut who pitched/hit the least are Ryan Jorgenson (1 AB) and Fred Bruckbauer (0 IP, no batters retired, infinite ERA). The hitter and pitcher who played the most and didn't make the cut are Matt Walbeck (946 AB) and Bill Butler (201 IP) I0 year old Nate Tubbs Rules hated Ron Davis for what he did to that 1984 season, but I tried to be a little objective on making the list. Sometimes I failed (Dan Gladden is still probably too high for what the numbers say (and with no real statistical honor/achievement) for instance but in RD's case, he just had too many good things on his ledger to keep him out of the top150.
  22. I hated Tom Herr as a kid, but, looking bad at it, what did he do tht was so bad? Its not like he submarined the team. They won 6 more games in 1988 than in 1987. It was 1989 and 1990 when they flipped him for the terrible Shane Rawley and tried Wally Backman and Al Newman at 2nd base that they had losing records. He gave them 345 PA of above average offense (from a 2nd baseman) with an 89 OPS+ and decent defense depending on what metric you're looking at. Doesn't this sort of sound like JJ Hardy? They gave up a decent player for him (Bruno/Gomez) and then too quickly gave up on the new aquistion because they didn't feel like he was on the field long enough (too injury prone in a pretty small sample size). In Hardy's case they misguidingly wanted more speed and in Herr's case they possibly didn't like his religious influence (atlthough was that overblown?)
  23. Jim Kaat was a pretty good hitter, part of the reason I have him ahead of Blylevelen who was the superior pitcher. Kaat could hit and field and played a little bit longer as a Twin than Bert.
  24. FYI-the YRS column is a little misleading. Its "Years Started" so Mitterwald was onlty the starting catcher 4 seasons even if he was there for 7. Johan for example was only one of the 5 starting pitchers 4 years even though he was a Twin for 8 (and in 2003 was their best starter, receiving Cy Young votes, starting game1 of the ALDS even though he was 6th on the team that year in starts)
  25. 5 new Twins added to the list this year (Hughes, Santana, Suzuki, Escobar, Gibson). Joe can't get ahead of TonyO, but he's almost there in my mind. Dozier jumps into the top100, Plouffe into the top150. https://wgom.org/2014/10/13/one-mans-opinion-of-the-top300-twins-of-all-time-updated-for-2014-with-new-additions-hughes-santana-suzuki-escobar-gibson/ Thoughts?
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