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The reason that the Twins are asking a lot for Span, Willingham, and Morneau is that they are all under contract for at least the next year, if not two (not that they aren't or shouldn't be asking a lot for Liriano) and they don't have to be traded now to have good value. Honestly, the Twins could wait to trade S,W, & M until they have peak value, or just wait till next year. -
Despite their ineptitude, the Twins only have one qualified pitcher in the Top 50 in HR's given up. The most common teams with pitchers on this list are the CWS and the brewers
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John, who do you see as still being in the market for Frankie?
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Well, at least we know that one team was willing to discuss picking up Liriano. I'd say that Rodriguez is more trustworthy from a health and consistency standpoint than Liriano, but that's the only reason that I could think of that the Pirates would be more interested in dealing with the Astros than dealing with us. Also, maybe Ryan has been looking closely at the players that he was offered and didn't like what he saw. i mean, the Twins, in regards to Liriano, have the control, so if they don't like something, they can tank the deal. I also gotta believe that Wandy deserved the prospects that he was traded for, I am not sure that Liriano deserves to be traded for two pitching prospects and one "B" prospect.
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Again according to MLBTR, the Braves are going to try and focus on Greinke after being rejected in the Dempster deal, and Greinke is said to admire the Angels and Braves, so if I had to guess at this point, I think Greinke goes either to the Angels or to the Braves.
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Hopefully we can find a team that is being cut out of talks with other high-end arms to listen to us on a deal for Liriano that doesn't cut our pockets.
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That is actually what the feed on MLBTR was saying; go look it up if you want.
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Another update: According to MLBTR, the Rangers are making the biggest push to acquire JJ, which would be another front-line starter off the market before Liriano and further narrowing the field of available top-line arms.
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@Siehbuscuit Morneau still has a year left on his deal, so the Twins have some time to trade him and get him to build his trade value up.
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I think that the Twins see Revere as much more controllable than Span in their long-term plans. I think that if they trade anyone who hasn't really been on any trade radars, it might be Carroll, but not Revere. He is an outfielder with an average arm at best, with little to no power and doesn't walk well. Span is a much more proven big-leaguer, even with his injury history. The Twins should trade both Span and Willingham before they even think about trading Revere
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I would have to say that we will start seeing some rumors on MLBTR any time now with info about the Twins discussing trading either Liriano or Span. If Tuesday is when they have their highest trade value, then Ryan might wait till Tuesday, but I think if he is smart, he will make a trade or two earlier than that.
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I am now getting conflicting reports on MLBTR on whether or not the Cubs will trade Dempster. One bullet says they want to keep him and make him a qualifying offer so they get draft pick comp. if he walks, and another says that they Dodgers are working hard to swing a trade with the Cubs for him. Also, the Braves are officially out of the Dempster sweepstakes, according to MLBTR.
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With Jurrjens recent struggles (like, even more than Liriano) I am not sure the Twins should even want him.
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Is Oliveros Last Remnant of Knoblauch?
J-Dog Dungan replied to glanzer's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
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Ah, but they also got Joe Nathan in that deal, who ended up being the Twins' all-time saves leader before he left. Other deals he made include the one to get rid of Knoblauch, picked up Johan Santana in the Rule V draft, drafted Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Cuddy, Hunter, Span, Perkins, signed Jacque Jones, Doug Mientkiewicz, Cory Koskie, Josh Willingham, Jared Burton, and Matt Capps just to name a few guys who really helped the Twins out in the last decade because of Terry Ryan.
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I partially agree with you. I think any deal for Willingham would include Lee, IF said deal was with the Dodgers, but we probably won't get that much for Span. Plus, they aren't going to trade 2/3 of their starting outfield to the same team, no matter how much is offered.
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All this is why I am glad we have Terry Ryan as GM again instead of Bill Smith. Ryan was known for making really good deals when he was with the Twins the first time around, and very few deals that Smith made we would approve of. Ryan was (and hopefully still is) really good at judging the market for players, and knowing that (in my personal opinion) that he should deal Liriano ASAP for the best deal possible, because when you get better pitchers like Shields and Greinke and whoever else is still on the market off the market, people are less likely to go and sell high on Liriano.
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Have the Dodgers even expressed interest in Liriano? Also, just in hypothetical, who would the Twins receive in return for Liriano? Also, what are you thinking the Twins get in order to give up Willingham?
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Really, how many other LHP's are on the market that have better stuff than Liriano? Also, there are at most maybe three or four veteran RHP's that are better than Liriano, and that number has been shrinking almost daily in the last week.
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I think the Dodgers are in exclusive negotiations for Dempster, and I am expecting them to get a deal done for him sometime this week, so I was kind of leaving him out of my mental list of available starters. I haven't really heard anything about anyone asking about Garza, like anything at all, so I have been leaning towards the assumption that the Cubs are not going to trade him. I would say that Liriano, Greinke, Shields and Johnson are probably the best pitchers I know of that are still on the market, and it seems like the Rays might trade Shields soon, so the market for Liriano might grow even larger.
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So, just in case you didn't know, the market for Span, Willingham (not that he is officially on the market) and Liriano increased last night/early this morning, with the 6-year, $144 million deal given to Cole Hamels and the trade of Hanley Ramirez and Randy Choate of the Marlins to the Dodgers for Nathan Eovaldi and a minor leaguer. This means that there is one less proven big league pitcher on the market, and Liriano is starting to look really good to GM's desperate for pitching and can no longer trade for Hamels.
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According to MLBTR, the Astros and Pirates are nearing a deal to send Wandy Rodriguez to the Pirates; They also say that the Dodgers are working on a deal with the Cubs that might not include Zach Lee.
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There is no way the Twins would or should agree to that deal. If they are going to deal with the Dodgers, they should ask for a above-average pitching prospect, not an underwhelming major league 1B.
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Random Tuesday Twins Thoughts and Tidbits
J-Dog Dungan commented on Thrylos's blog entry in Thrylos' Blog - select Tenth Inning Stretch posts
1) with all the injuries in his career, I really can't see anyone picking up Pavano in the offseason 2) You didn't mention that Vargas hit a HR in his second AB as well 3) I like Mastro, and when paired with Span and Revere make one fast-as-he^l outfield 4) With the new rules for bonuses this year, it was a lot more likely that they sign more people with higher bonuses. 5) If we could get that kid from the Angels for Liriano, hopefully that would be dope for us. 6) Melotakis is doing really well, wasn't he just drafted this year? 7) Not sure how adding Manship to a deal helps or hurts the Twins -
Twins Trade Talk 2012: July 24
J-Dog Dungan commented on Thrylos's blog entry in Thrylos' Blog - select Tenth Inning Stretch posts
Don't see why Ryan wouldn't want a big-leaguer for Morneau (hope to god that he is talking about a big-league pitcher), because when he is even as healthy as he has been this season he would be a dangerous bat to have in the lineup, a fairly good fielder, and a solid clubhouse personality, and despite the injuries is a "proven veteran hitter" (again, relative term).
