Dissecting Dallas Keuchel

[jorgenswest]

4 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I agree they should be thankful they got one good result out of Keuchel. I disagree that they don't need a fifth starter, though. I assume you mean because of off days, but Ober is already 18 innings beyond his career high in innings pitched (and over 100 innings for only the 3rd time in his entire life), and sure looks to me like he's slowing down. The extra days off for him are pretty important I think. I'm actually expecting an IL stint for him when Ryan comes back to save some innings. The horrifying thing there is I expect them to keep rolling Keuchel out there while they IL Ober, and that sounds like an absolute disaster. But I think it's good for them to get Ober an extra day or 2 here and there by keeping the 5th starter even with off days coming up. I'd just prefer a different 5th starter than the washed up for 3 years Keuchel.

Do you believe an extra day off a couple of time through the rotation will make a significant difference for Ober? I wonder if any effect is short and once they are back on the 5 day cycle his arm is at the same point as it is today.

This is a game so I am not anywhere near horrified but if he does have to go on IL I would pitch Varland in his spot and go with 4 until the 24th. An IL stay would probably give him a better chance at a fresh arm into September than an extra day rest a couple of times.

[chpettit19]

12 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Do you believe an extra day off a couple of time through the rotation will make a significant difference for Ober? I wonder if any effect is short and once they are back on the 5 day cycle his arm is at the same point as it is today.

This is a game so I am not anywhere near horrified but if he does have to go on IL I would pitch Varland in his spot and go with 4 until the 24th. An IL stay would probably give him a better chance at a fresh arm into September than an extra day rest a couple of times.

I'll take whatever extra rest I can get him without having to give up too many of his starts. And I see no need for a 14th bat right now. IL Solano like they should've 2 days ago, and DFA Gallo if you want new blood. The pitching staff is wearing down. I want all the arms I can carry right now. Just not Keuchel.

[jorgenswest]

22 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I'll take whatever extra rest I can get him without having to give up too many of his starts. And I see no need for a 14th bat right now. IL Solano like they should've 2 days ago, and DFA Gallo if you want new blood. The pitching staff is wearing down. I want all the arms I can carry right now. Just not Keuchel.

I think we disagree that an extra day off (possibly twice) will make a season long difference. I think we agree on Keuchel. I don’t want to get into another thread killing back and forth so let’s leave it at that and correct me if I read you wrong about the day off or Keuchel.

[chpettit19]

55 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

I think we disagree that an extra day off (possibly twice) will make a season long difference. I think we agree on Keuchel. I don’t want to get into another thread killing back and forth so let’s leave it at that and correct me if I read you wrong about the day off or Keuchel.

Seem to agree on both, but I'm not looking for a season long difference for Ober. I'll take a difference in his next 3 starts and worry about the rest later.

[Nine of twelve]

It was pointed out to me that Keuchel’s swing-and-miss total over two starts is zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada. He is no longer an MLB-quality pitcher. I think we would be better off going with Varland if a starter is needed.