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Listen, I would happily take Segura and his 200+ hits at the top of the order. I didn't say they were better just close. As for Gordon, he's way better defensively. We will see what he does at the plate off the juice.
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I absolutely agree they aren't available and I wouldn't think twice about giving Deleon and Alvarez for Altuve, but he's not Altuve. I have no doubt that most fans over rate their own prospects, but referring to Dozier as a top 3 second baseman was an example of overrating a player. They aren't available, and like I said I could have listed more like Gordon, Segura, and a couple more quality second baseman who are as good or near as good as Dozier. The Twins don't have anyone else to deal with right now because of how many quality second baseman have homes. I'm not saying the Twins should get fleeced by any means and I wouldn't pretend to know the Twins prospects sufficiently enough to express an opinion about them. I see the Kernels play the Loons every other season in Cedar Rapids and that's my exposure to the Twins prospects. All in all, it is probably good the holidays are upon us. The two teams can separate for a bit and re-think this. Having read the Dodgers boards and the Twins boards it is easy to understand the trouble agreeing to a second piece. BTW, I would avoid the dodgers.com message board. There are about 5-10 people who discuss baseball and know anything. The rest are trolls and infighting.
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I've read a lot about a lottery ticket wanted. How does Edwin Rios look to you Twins fans? Deleon+?+ Rios. Pickler sounds like a sufficient 4th piece. Rios tore the cover off the ball last year. I believe I read that he was a shortstop in high school or most of his life, but absolutely doesn't have the glove to play short. They've been trying to figure out if he has the glove to be a 3rd baseman or if he's a 1st baseman. Bellinger has him blocked at 1st and Turner will be playing 3rd for the foreseeable future. There is also another young first baseman at low A, Isabel.
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He's not fat. He built more like Kirby Puckett. He's all muscle, but not going to steal you bases that's for sure.
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Is that top 3 in the AL or MLB? Dozier had a great season and is a good ball player. Great power, can steal bases, avg defense, low batting avg., and .obp at times. Altuve Murphy Cano Lemahieu Kinsler Villar Pedroia Kipnis Odor I don't see Dozier as better than any of the above plus there are 3 or 4 more on par.
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When did Stewart become a AAAA ;pitcher with only one or two pitches? Have you actually watched him pitch? Frias is a AAAA pitcher more than likely. Fein was AAAA pitcher. Bellinger is a non-starter not just because he is the heir apparent for 1st base, but also if the Dodgers ever want to get back near the luxury tax cap or even reset for one year it is absolutely necessary that Bellinger moves into that spot.
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I would say that he's available because he's kind of blocked until they can move Kazmir and McCarthy. They also have a surplus of arms who are all on there way to the bigs. Deleon and Stewart are ready now. De Jong, Oaks, are knocking at the door. Sborz is a tick behind and may wind up a reliever. Buehler will be the fastest riser in the system and could theoretically push for a September call up this year depending on how they manage his innings. 2018 is more likely ETA for Buehler at some point and then there is Alvarez plus a good stable of arms not mentioned. Deleon's slider draws raves from some and meh from others.
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Ruiz was traded to Seattle, but we could give you a Carlos Frias still.
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The Giants had very little in their system and traded just about everything they had when acquiring Moore and the lefty reliever from Milwaukee.
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Or some international cap space so the Dodgers have a little bit more to offer Otani who they almost had signed out of high school.
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The Dodgers would trade Anderson for a bag of balls at this point.
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How did Jeff Kent's year compare to Dozier?
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I think you're 100% right. Stewart is getting labeled a #5 I think because he came out of nowhere. He is far from a 2 pitch pitcher. His change up is his best pitch. I think this trade is tough partly because Deleon and Stewart are both big league ready compared to the other highly ranked pitchers in the system and whether or not $32 million is a sunk cost to some it is still a lot of money to invest in a kid only to ship him off so soon unless he has character issues. Unfortunately the pitcher that I knew in the Dodgers system has now signed with the Mariners so I can't pick his brain for information. I for one wouldn't have a problem including Lux in deal.
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And look at what has happened to Olivera since. Maybe the Dodgers knew something about his character and dumped him. They do still have Wood and Avilan on the roster from that deal. Johnson and Latos were busts. If Alvarez is on the table, I would be worried about his character because I can't see any reason other than that the Dodgers would deal him. After reading both the Dodgers and Twins message boards I can understand why consummating such a deal has been difficult.
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Cool. Just curious what you thought. Both Phillips and Ethier have similar money for next year and both can be thought of as in the way at the moment. Freidman is known to be a window shopper when it comes to giving up his prospects.
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Both are on the last year of deals. The Reds want Peraza to take over second base and Phillips is in the way. You're 100% right, Mccutchen would cost more, but if I'm asked to make Alvarez the second piece I would consider trading for Phillips and sticking him in the 8 hole for one year and using Alvarez as a chip to get McCutchen.. Phillips regressed defensively, but he was .290/320/.416 with 14 stolen bases. Ethier has 10/5 rights to veto, but does he want to spend his contract year sitting on the bench. Which would you do?
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Which is better in your opinion? Your Dodgers lineup with Dozier or if the Dodgers say heck with it and trade Ethier for Phillips and use the prospects on McCutchen instead?
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He projects well defensively. He's playing CF now and he may become a bit too bulky to play CF. The million dollar question is how much power does he add as he matures. I don't think he's 21 until May or June.
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I don't think people know where to pigeon hole Stewart yet. So, I wouldn't label him as a #5. He was a shortstop until I believe his final year or final two years at Illinois State. He throws 95 with movement and has a nasty change up with enough other secondary stuff to be successful. His first two outings were skewed by one bad inning in each. He has great composure and when he came back up he mowed down the Chicago Cubs last August. I think he gets labeled a #5 because he came out of nowhere. Believe me there are plenty of Dodgers fans who don't want to do Deleon and Stewart for 2 years of Dozier which tells me it might be the right price.
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Here's the deal with Verdugo. They have really challenged him by were they've place him in the minors. One thing I do like about Freidman and Co. is that they aren't afraid to fast track guys if they think they're up to it. Toles and Stewart started in High A last year. Like Bellinger, Verdugo have consistently been one of the youngest players in his respective league. He was having a nice season at AA last year and I think he was only 19 at the beginning of the season. He ran out of gas the final month and admitted so in the AFL. He has a gun for an arm and will probably wind up a corner OF although he's been playing CF. He's going to need a full season at AAA and because of his young age you don't have to rush him up though. I really like what Toles brings to the Dodgers and if Freidman and FAZ think he's past his anxiety issues the Dodgers could make Verdugo available to someone.
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They can definitely throw out a great rotation at AAA if the kids remain blocked. Deleon, Stewart, Oaks, and De Jong, will all be knocking at the door next year with Sborz not far behind. The only reason I ranked Buehler ahead of Alvarez is that he is going to move up much faster. They will baby Alvarez a lot more. It wouldn't be shocking to see Buehler finsh the season in the Dodgers pen in September.
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If Deleon AND Alvarez were on the table I have a hard time believing the Twins are haggling over a 3rd and 4th prospect.
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That's tough. Deleon and Stewart are big league ready. So, I'm not sure if prospects who are big league ready are usually ranked higher because they are finished product than someone like Bellinger or Alvarez so I will just rank them by how I value them. 1. Bellinger 2.Deleon 3 Buehler 4. Alvarez 5 Toles 6. Stewart 7. Verdugo 8. Calhoun That's my top 8 if you include Toles as a prospect. There are a whole slew of guys that I could list 9 or 10 whether it be Diaz, Sheffield, Sborz and on. I could throw a dart at about 10 of them for those two spots.
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Kazmir is owed $32 million and McCarthy $20 million over the next two year. Both Kazmir and the Dodgers would prefer a divorce. Kamir has a chronic issue in his neck that would make him unattactive to me if I was a GM.
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I think the Dodgers paid $28m of his $48 million in the first two years. And from the Dodgers perspective it seems like they would just eat the money before they gave up two of their highest rated prospects. So, if neither of us like it, who knows it may have some legs. Mccarthy was going to Milwaukee last year in the Puig deal when they ran out of time. Considering the money that has gone out for bad pitchers this fall, I would think the Dodgers could move him now that he's two years out for his TJ. As for the other rumor, most think Buehler will be the fastest rising guy in their system. The three guys who most who put on their untouchables list are Bellinger, Alvarez, and Buehler. Buehler was throwing 97 mph last fall.
