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The first hour of the podcast was interesting for a podcast.. Said a year ago, he would have jumped at Deleon for Dozier straight up. He doesn't even expect a Stewart to be added as a second piece let alone an Alvarez or Buehler. Ranks Deleon as a top 2 prospect for over half the MLB teams. He would expect someone closer to a 8th-10th Dodgers prospects to be added to Deleon which is closer to my guess of Deleon, De Jong, Rios, and Sheffield.
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http://aarongleeman.com/2017/01/03/gleeman-and-the-geek-290-final-offers/ Interesting take from a Twins fan/blogger on Twitter. I listened to their podcast while I was working tonight. Not sure what the opinion is of this guy among Twins fans. I do tend to agree with his take on his twitter page that some are highly underrating Deleon's value. I've never heard of Deleon having a 3/4 ceiling. It's been 2/3 from just about all scouting services/prospect reports.
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Chris Camello. He appears to cover LA Sports for Rebel Media. He broke JT and KJ and had Turner's deal within $1 million dollars of being accurate. He also broke that the Kenley was looking like he was coming back to LA when all of the other media was reporting otherwise. He has some Dodgers sources that were definitely in the know. He broke it on Twitter way before all the talking heads were trying to take credit. It was funny because a lot people started blasting the others for taking credit. Rosenthal sent Camello a tweet recognizing and congratulating him. He was a good 12-24 hrs ahead of the rest. Of course, now that he broke such a story he's getting hit up daily for more info just like Dave is on this board. Everyone was wondering who the hell is Chris Camello when he put it out there.
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Right now they need one for Jansen and they got Culberson to agree to be assigned to AAA which isn't a big deal. They also probably need to add a RH relief pitcher. They may choose to look at adding RH help in LF if they can't get the Dozier thing done, but they've said they can't add an OF unless the move and OF. DFA'ing someone like Ruf is an option. There is no way that Ruf is on the club if SVS is healthy. They could also move Yimi Garcia to the 60-man DL as soon as it allowed. I agree with your assertion which is why I think they're might be rolling out an offer with JDL and De Jong plus others. Those are two guys on the 40-man right now. Of course Stewart fits the bill there too.
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Their roster is stuck at 40 right now too and they seem to be waiting to announce the Jansen signing after the get JDL and possibly more traded to Minnesota. If it isn't going to happen they need to move on figure out how to get their 40-man in order.
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The guy who broke the signings of Turner and Jansen has tweeted that the Dodgers have set this weekend as a deadline to get this deal done.
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I don't know how many of you watched the AFL All-Star game when Calhoun was MVP. The ball definitely jumps off his bat. Unfortunately, he got zero action while he was out in the field on defense. Obviously, too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it would have been nice to see him in on more defensive plays to see how he moves and throws.
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At the time, they had gotten an extra pick for Greinke and thought they were going to get one for Anderson and Kendrick too until that plan backfired.
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Deleon has not has injury issues throughout his minor league career. He had a sprained ankle and a sore shoulder last year. Throughout is an overstatement.
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You're correct. Dozier to the Dodgers has grown on me. I much preferred Kinsler a month ago, and still do to a lesser extent, but even as an avg defender he upgrades the only position that graded below avg on the Dodgers last year. He will help against lefties as will some other players returning to their norm.
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From what I've heard from multiple sources ( Not my source or anything like that) is they agreed on JDL as the headline. The Dodgers gave the Twins a list of names/prospects that they were willing to deal and for the Twins to choose from to add to JDL. The Twins gave the Dodgers a list they would like as possible add-ons to JDL as well. When they exchanged those names, quite simply the names on the respective lists didn't match up enough to make a deal. There wasn't a one for one offer. That was complete non-sense. Dave may prove me wrong, but from the Dodgers perspective i don't see Bellinger, Alvarez, or Buehler added. I also think they will have a tough time giving up Stewart AND JDL because they will need at least one if they can move McCarthy and/or Kazmir. I see the Dodgers offering something like JDL, Shefield, choice of De Jong or Oaks, Rios for 2 years of Dozier. If it becomes JDL and Stewart and 3rd piece is going to be a AAAA player.
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I agree. Guys like De Jong, Oaks, Sborz, Toles, and Stewart have been fast risers. If the Dodgers can't figure out what to do with McCarthy and Kazmir they could have Urias, Deleon, Stewart, De Jong, and Oaks as their AAA rotation at the start of the year with Sborz waiting for Urias to move up again. I have a hard time believing they will start Urias there but it is possible. Anyways, those fast risers will have a chance to settle in at AAA and establish what they truly are instead of automatically getting tabbed as 4 or 5's.
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I can understand why you would feel that way, but at the same time the teams that are consistently good, have consistently good minor league systems. When the O'Malley's ran the team, the Dodgers had Rookie of the Year after Rookie of the Year. Kasten feels that if you're in the playoffs 10 years in a row then more than likely that you will win at least one. The Blue Jays went all in recently and they may regret it big time in the near future. I do think the Dodgers will adjust that attitude a bit when they get those contracts off the books. You also have to remember that they just dealt 3 pitching prospects to Oakland for Hill and Reddick. Reddick was a bust and Frankie Montas at minimum could have slid into the 8th inning spot next year.
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SVS and Thompson being injured also hurt. Unless SVS is traded I expect him to give Gonzalez more days off against lefties this season. He's also a very capable platoon partner in LF with Toles or Ethier.
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You need to remember that Stan Kasten runs the Dodgers and his #1 priority is being good for a long time just like the Braves were under his leadership. The Dodgers for the last 4 years have been trying to win while they rebuild the farm system. It was an utter mess under McCourt. Tanking like the Cubs did wasn't an option. The resisted deals for Price, Hamels, Sale, etc. They aren't an all in team. They don't have a small window to win. It's more like a short window until Ethier, Crawford, Gonzalez, McCarthy, and Kazmir are off the books. Kasten sees a much bigger window with Bellinger, Seager, Turner, Pederson, Puig, Toles, Verdugo, Grandal, Urias, Kershaw, Alvarez, Buehler, Deleon(if he isn't traded), Jansen, etc. All except Turner are in their 20"s and most under 25.
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Seems like some of you are talking about JDL like he's had a chronic condition. He's had one sore shoulder after his 1st start last season which followed being shut down by an ankle injury. The Dodgers babied him after the soreness because there was no need to rush him. It's not like he's had injuries every season.
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And rookie league too.
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I'm glad that I had blacked that out. The 5+ ERA in the regular season is what i remembered.
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I had a hard time believing Alvarez or Buehler were second pieces of this deal, but I also don't believe it a one for one offer.
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I don't remember those two doing a damn thing for the Dodgers either, but i could be wrong.
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He is also off the table because they are counting on him to replace Gonzo not only on the field, but as as a way to lower their luxury tax penalty and maybe even reset it for one year. Going from $21 million to a rookie salary is a big part of their sustainablilty plans. The Dodgers are attempting to rebuild while they win. Gonzalez shouldn't be hitting 4th anymore they're going to need Bellinger's power and salary to step for Gonzalez in possibly in 2018, but most definitely he will be starting in 2019.
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I believe Fanrag has Dozier as the #1 candidate to regress. Braun who is also a rumored Dodgers potential target is listed too if I remember correctly.
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Interesting. I've advocated for the Dodgers going after Harrison and McCutchen together if the Pirates are looking to dump Harrison's salary. The Dodgers may be able to buy down one of their bad contracts in such a trade. If the reports about the Cardinals being interested in the Twins is true, that is a good thing. It gives the Twins the ability to see what Dozier's true market value is right now and compare to the Dodgers offer. However, they aren't getting Reyes like someone mentioned. I don't see the Nationals as a true option or SF really having anything to offer either.
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Walker is now a 25 year old pitcher who has a 4+ ERA. Urias accomplished more in his 19 year old season that Walker has so far. I would say the comparison falls somewhere between Urias and Deleon and probably closer to Deleon. We've been hearing about Walker for four years and he hasn't put it together.
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I've been catching up on the posts here since Christmas. A lot of interesting takes. I hope you all had a nice holiday. You've got a great message board here with a lot of knowledgeable Twins fans and without a lot of infighting and trolls. It's nice for fans of all sports to have sites like this to discuss their favorite teams. I made some great friends through a Colts message board 15 years ago. Friends that I still tailgate and stay with in Indy and who come to Iowa once a year for a golfing weekend.
