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I don't know that there is any bad blood. Their names just didn't match up whether it was for the second piece or the third piece. It is odd that two ball clubs could agree on the headline pieces and not fill out the remaining pieces. Thus, three weeks of negotiations. Also, why I'm not 100% sure this deal is dead. Alex Anthropolous was on MLB radio tonight and he feels the Dodgers have at least 20 guys in their system right now who they feel confident are future MLB players. He was pretty vague in the interview but reminded people that the Dodgers were willing to move prospects to the A's and even though they want to keep as many of their prospects as possible they are more than willing to move pieces in a deal. Second base will remain a priority for LA and assured Bowden that they've checked in on all rumored players whether it be 2B or OF, but wasn't able to discuss names.

You're correct. Rosenthal added the big market issue.

"The Dodgers were willing to part with De Leon and more knowing that Dozier’s season was an outlier, that he has never played in a large market, that he strikes out above the league average." Seems like that was Rosenthal's summary of much of the same things that we have all debated and considered the last few weeks.

I know Dozier is inexpensive, but the Royals basically just gave away Dyson because they're out of money. They don't have much left in the minors after the Cueto deal is my understanding. I doubt the Royals would offer more than the JDL package. I'm surprised more AL teams don't look at Dozier as a DH if they're set at 2B.

If this thing is really dead, I'm sure the names will leak out eventually.

That's a good question. They may bring back Chase. He was beloved in the clubhouse and a super mentor for Seager. He played way more than they intended him to last season. They could go in-house and platoon at 2nd base while choosing to improve from the right side in the outfield rather than 2B. Braun and McCutchen are still options. The Brewers and Dodgers had reportedly agreed on Braun for Puig, McCarthy, and 2 prospects last August, but ran out of time trying to agree on the two prospects. Braun stayed at the ballpark until midnight waiting to see if the deal got done. The Brewers had agreed to eat all of the deferred money in his deal too. The Braun rumors have been popping up again. I don't doubt that they circle back and check in on Kinsler, Forsythe, Solarte, Harrison, and maybe even Profar. Kinsler makes the most sense if they can figure it out. No one credible is stating that the deal was just Deleon for Dozier. Even Rosenthal today said that the Dodgers were offering more on top of Deleon. Some of us Dodgers fans had a hard time believing Alvarez was in the deal, but if Dave was correct and they turned down JDL and Alvarez haggling over a 3rd piece that seems like a big mistake. Most Dodgers fans would be quite upset with the inclusion of Alvarez. I certainly get the whole sunk cost argument, but really the only reason Moancada isn't a Dodger is that they wanted Alvarez. They asked Moancada to wait until after July 1st to sign and they would pay him more than Boston. The whole piece of mind thing for Dozier doesn't make any sense either when you know they will be shopping him at the trading deadline. From what I've read from Dave and Chris, it seems like the Dodgers have had enough and have walked away from what they think is a fair offer. Considering how much they gave up for Hill and that turd Reddick, I just don't see the Dodgers low-balling the Twins. It's not really Freidman's style.

At the end of last season, it was Deleon's first call up to the 40-man roster and big league roster. Also, part of the reason that he wasn't activated to the 25-man roster sooner last year. He wasn't even on the 40-man. It took releasing players or moving guys to the 60-day DL to put him on the 40-man.

And I would say the Red Sox acquired as much organization depth as possible so that it wasn't painful for them to make the move especially if they were willing to eat Moancada's salary. As for the Nationals time will tell. The Nationals are all in because they don't expect Harper to stay. The Dodgers are not all in at the expense of the future. The White Sox should be giddy about the haul they got for Eaton.

The Dodgers have signed about 4 or 5 guys to minor league contracts this week. This one happens to play 2B. Just adding depth. Dodgers fans haven't seen anyone utilize the 40 man like Freidman and FAZ.

I would say an organizations goal is to accumulate as much talent as possible so that if you have to fill a need externally it isn't painful and it doesn't set back the organization's long-term plans. The deal should be good for both sides not necessarily "painful" for each team.

The Dodgers signed Hill because they had an immediate need for a #2 starter whiie Urias develops and the Dodgers have enough depth and young kids to handle Hill possibly only giving them 120 innings in the regular season.

From what I've read and know about Freidman. His philosophy isn't to try to win the deal from another team. Some trades work out for both teams, some don't. The Dodgers gave up Dee Gordon in order to create roster flexibility for example. The sabremetrics based groups tend to stick with their guns on how they value people from both their assets and the assets that they're trying to acquire. As for Deleon, he is being offered because they have Kershaw, Urias, Hill, Maeda, Kazmir, McCarthy, Deleon, Stewart, Wood, and Ryu all competing for 5 spots. If they could move Kazmir or McCarthy for a quality second baseman they would do it in a heartbeat. Deleon has value the other two do not. By the time Buehler and Alvarez are ready to join the rotation, Kazmir and McCarthy will be gone. A lot of good pitchers have been traded over the years, it doesn't mean that their teams didn't think much of them when they got traded.

It seems a very risky move to go into the season with Dozier and hope that they can top the Dodgers offer at the trading deadline. They would need Dozier to be playing well, They would need a contender other than the Dodgers to need a 2B, and hope other quality 2B don't become available at the deadline too. Now if Dozier is hitting like he did the 2nd half of 2016 they shouldn't have a problem finding him a home.

I agree. Just don't agree with the analysis that JDL has been hurt a lot. Just not the case. Last year was the first time. I mentioned in the Dozier to Dodgers in 24 hrs thread that JDL is dating a pro tennis player. He had worked with her on his conditioning and the Dodgers actually felt that he lost too much weight last offseason which resulted in the slight drop in velocity. The hiccup out of spring training is why he didn't hit 150 last year. It was more about the sprained ankle than the shoulder.

Are we really comparing people to Kershaw? The analysis given was dead on. Since Freidman and Co. have arrived they baby the pitchers when it comes to innings but will push the level of competition quickly if they feel he's ready.

Some of the national writer's are the absolute worst who do nothing, but rehash old tired stories. I would almost always listen to a beat writer that travels with a team than some writer for ESPN. If the Twins were still trying to get Bellinger the discussions would be over.

http://www.truebluela.com/2017/1/5/14179398/jordan-sheffield-2017-dodgers-prospects Here's a little more on Sheffield. Fifteen is one of the lowest ratings that I've seen for him. Usually around 8 or 9.

He had one season with an injury. Not a fair assessment. I get having a concern over his shoulder, but saying he can't stay healthy isn't true. The Dodgers baby their pitchers at the lower levels which is why his innings were low. He was supposed to go closer to 150 last year, but the sprained ankle set him back out of the gates.

Kinsler is actually a better fit. Hits RH, plays GG quality defense, a more prototypical leadoff guy than Dozier. However, he is older and reportedly wants an extension. Of course the second year of his remaining years is a club option that the Dodgers could offer to guarantee and maybe add one more year.

I've tried not to be critical of Dozier. I think he's a good player and an upgrade. I just don't think he's a top 3 player like some have asserted. I would offer JDL(future #2 or #3), choice of De Jong or Oaks(#4 or #5), Sheffield( wildcard from a #2 to bullpen), and Edwin Rios. If the Twins can't get better than that from the Braves they should take it.

Possibly. A lot of defensive metrics are questionable in my book. I remember when the Dodgers traded Dee Gordon who was supposed to be a bad defender by metrics while Howie Kendrick was an upgrade. A year later Gordon is a GG winner and the Dodgers don't want Kendrick anywhere near 2nd base. I will say this about pitch framing. It isn't all about the strikes you gain on balls, but it is just as much about strikes that don't become balls. After watching Grandal and AJ Ellis. Ellis costs the Dodgers pitchers a lot of strikes.

When did Deleon's sore shoulder last season after pitching after a layoff for his ankle become a persistent history of shoulder problems? I'm not suggesting a one for one trade, but this injury history has become greatly exaggerated .

I wouldn't say Turner has been declining. He came off of an offseason knee surgery that led to a very slow start. Remove the first 6 weeks and look at his numbers. Turner is clutch too. WAR has it's place and for the most part it does a good job, but as much as everyone wants to narrow a player down to one number, it doesn't do it for me.

I agree about Turner, but Joc has a ways to go still. The potential is there and youth is on his side.

And they may have found out quickly that Olivera had serious character issues.