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#1 amjgt

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:07 PM

I came here to rant but I didn't know there was going to be a DIFFERENT rant. Geez.

 

OK. The schedule.

 

I know this is like point #15000 of why baseball is killing itself. But these early season start times are just so stupid. In the entire first 4 weeks of the season we have 2.... TWO (!) games that start at 6pm or 7pm and one of them was on a Saturday when it doesn't matter.

 

Every other sport relies on the rhythm of it's schedule. Baseball seem to downright relish the randomness of its first month... just when fans should be getting into the rhythm of the season. 

 

I know. I know. We can cite a couple reasons... cold weather.... opening day.... blah blah blah. It's idiotic. Your sport is starving for eyeballs and you can't figure out a way to get your sport on TV at times when the most people can watch it? Get a clue, baseball. Figure it out.

 

 

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#2 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:09 PM

I believe the Twins altered their first two weeks of play to almost exclusively play day games. It was an intentional decision that was a recent change and not baked into the initial schedule IIRC.

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:31 PM

I'll grant you that this season seems worse than normal. But this happens every year.


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 05:41 PM

That would actually be a savage bargaining chip....

 

"Oh Bally Sports North, you're having problems with your streaming negotiations? Well we're going to just play day games until you figure it out. Talk soon!"

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Posted 15 April 2021 - 08:35 PM

Dave St. peter said in an interview before the season starte dthat there was a demand for early season weekday day games. 

 

Not sure where this demand came from but the attendance shows otherwise.


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 12:16 AM

 

Not sure where this demand came from but the attendance shows otherwise.

I'm not sure 5-6 data points during a cold season at the tail end of a pandemic is a great indicator to show reduced interest in a thing.

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 06:57 AM

Twins should not have any home games the first 10 games - weather.

 

MLB should not black out games in neighboring states - less interest/lower ratings.

 

MLB seems intent on slowly destroying their product thru their choices.

Need new brains at the top of MLB.

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 07:19 AM

While I agree with your eyeball analysis there can be up to a 10 to 15 degree change in temperature from 1:00 to 3:00 versus 7:00 to 9:00.Not always the case but when it is April up north the highs are generally 50's and 60's at best and the lows 30's to 40's at best I can understand wanting to play during the heat of the day. 

 

This spring has been warmer than most so might not have mattered quite as much this year but I get where they are coming from.For games you can always record them or if you have MLB package watch them later if interested.For me not that big of a deal but I see your point that fewer people can watch as we have jobs and can't watch during working hours.So if viewership is what is most important they won't get it via weekday day games.For the players though I am sure they appreciate playing in slightly warmer conditions during the day.


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:25 AM

 

I'm not sure 5-6 data points during a cold season at the tail end of a pandemic is a great indicator to show reduced interest in a thing.

At first I thought it was a facetious comment about this year's attendance.

 

But actually, if you look at our first midweek (non-opener) April games in the seasons leading up to 2020, there is no discernible difference between the day and night game attendance.

 

https://www.baseball...le-scores.shtml


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:28 AM

 

At first I thought it was a facetious comment about this year's attendance.

 

But actually, if you look at our first midweek (non-opener) April games in the seasons leading up to 2020, there is no discernible difference between the day and night game attendance.

 

https://www.baseball...le-scores.shtml

Yeah, I looked that up a few years ago and noticed there wasn't a difference I could see.

Which makes sense, especially in Minnesota... I prefer early season day games simply because it's less effing cold at the stadium and getting out in the sun after a long winter feels pretty good.

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:29 AM

I’ve been slightly annoyed so far because I haven’t had much of a chance at all to watch them play live. The beauty is there are 5 months remaining to watch a game or 2.
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#12 spycake

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:30 AM

It's a safe assumption that TV ratings are higher in the evenings, but you also have to consider that FSN (now BSN) also carries the Timberwolves and Wild, both of whom had evening games scheduled this week. The TV network may not have wanted to split the ratings by having additional concurrent night games?

 

And once you have a few day games, it might be best to make them all day games. That avoids having a day game following a night game, likely captures the best April weather, and gives some predictability to the TV schedule. (I suspect isolated day games do worse in ratings than repeated day games.)


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:31 AM

I prefer day games. I can watch at work. And it's how baseball was meant to be played. Now get rid of the stupid 7 inning games and free base runners.

 

 

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Posted 16 April 2021 - 06:58 PM

 

I'm not sure 5-6 data points during a cold season at the tail end of a pandemic is a great indicator to show reduced interest in a thing.

 

Oh I know about attendance being on par with past seasons so far as was mentioned above. I just disagree with DSP on there being more demand for weekday day games. No way BSN wants that, and no way parents with kids in school want that.  

 

I was spoiled the last few years, working nights or not at all and was able to attend weekday day games often. Now that I have generally bankers hours I have missed all these games. 


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 09:00 AM

 

No way BSN wants that

In a vacuum, certainly night games are better than day games for the TV network. But as I mentioned upthread, while the NBA/NHL seasons overlap with MLB season, frankly BSN may not mind showing the Twins in the day, and Wild/Wolves at night, rather than having them compete with each other.

 

And in a given week, if the Twins have at least 2 weekday day games, it's probably just as well for BSN that all of the weekday games are in the day that week, as it establishes a predictable pattern (for the week, at least). I think part of the struggle with weekday day game is that they are a bit unpredictable, and usually sandwiched between weekday evening games. Once we noticed the Twins and Red Sox played at 1 PM on Monday, we weren't as surprised by it on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday this week.

 

 

and no way parents with kids in school want that.

Parents with kids in school are a pretty terrible demographic to target with 3+ hour daily broadcasts -- I'm guessing they have less time available than most other demographics.

 

I'm guessing with full attendance, they may not do this again, but with limited attendance it seems like a reasonable decision.


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 01:12 PM

Does any of the Data Driven Detectives at the Daily have any idea if the ratings are different for day and night


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 02:11 PM

Does any of the Data Driven Detectives at the Daily have any idea if the ratings are different for day and night

I don’t know that game-level ratings data has ever been publicly disclosed for the regular season, but playoff games played earlier in the day are always lower than those of the evening game. The effect might be less for local regular season games, but I would expect the general principle would be the same.

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 03:54 PM

The Red Sox series was moved to all day games, partially due to the possible impact of the Derek Chauvin trial. The Twins thought it would be safer getting fans out of downtown during daylight. It turns out the Daunte Wright situation overlapped with the Red Sox series, not the trial.
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#19 The Wise One

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 04:56 PM

 

I don’t know that game-level ratings data has ever been publicly disclosed for the regular season, but playoff games played earlier in the day are always lower than those of the evening game. The effect might be less for local regular season games, but I would expect the general principle would be the same.

I don't do the on demand service, are the games available by the streaming services now. That would render game time irrelevant as well as podcast of the broadcast.


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 05:44 PM

 

The Red Sox series was moved to all day games, partially due to the possible impact of the Derek Chauvin trial. The Twins thought it would be safer getting fans out of downtown during daylight. It turns out the Daunte Wright situation overlapped with the Red Sox series, not the trial.

Well ST Peter did not mention that in the interview I saw late in ST. He said it was due to demand.