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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from glunn in VIDEO: César Tovar Should Be In The Minnesota Twins Hall Of Fame   
    César Tovar is still not in the Minnesota Twins Hall of Fame. One of the best table-setters in all of baseball from the late 60s through the early 70s, Tovar highlights an era of Twins baseball that's being overlooked by voters. In this video, I talk about why I think Tovar hasn't made it into the team's Hall of Fame yet and do my best to present an argument as to why he should be enshrined.

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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from USAFChief in VIDEO: César Tovar Should Be In The Minnesota Twins Hall Of Fame   
    César Tovar is still not in the Minnesota Twins Hall of Fame. One of the best table-setters in all of baseball from the late 60s through the early 70s, Tovar highlights an era of Twins baseball that's being overlooked by voters. In this video, I talk about why I think Tovar hasn't made it into the team's Hall of Fame yet and do my best to present an argument as to why he should be enshrined.

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    Tom Froemming reacted to Vanimal46 in Berrios signs Extension with Blue Jays   
    @Tom Froemmingtweeting my feelings this morning… Ugh. 
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from glunn in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from tarheeltwinsfan in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from wabene in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from Nine of twelve in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from ToddlerHarmon in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from Sconnie in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from DocBauer in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from roger in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from Major League Ready in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from JDubs in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from MN_ExPat in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from Nick Nelson in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from mikelink45 in Are the Twins About to Build a Radically Unconventional Pitching Staff?   
    Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal.
    In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs.
    Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances.
    There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
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    Tom Froemming reacted to LastOnePicked in Time for a Challenge? Revisiting 6 Twins Challenge Trades   
    Good stuff as always, Tom. The Hicks trade was embarrassingly bad, and rightfully helped to end Ryan's second run as GM. The Yankees saw us coming on that one, as they say. Yuck.
    Trading Buxton will likely be the defining moment for this FO, and it may take years to assess the outcome. Will it make the team stronger, exchanging an injury-prone CF for hot prospects and durable MLB-ready talent. Or will we watch Buxton finally set the league on fire for a new team while our meager returns fizzle away, Murphy-style?
    For the record, I don't want to see Buxton traded. I'd much rather look back on an interesting Kepler, Arraez, Rooker or Sano trade. But this FO has already totally fumbled the contract extension talks, so once the new CBA is set, I fully expect Buxton to be moved. If so, they better get it right - their legacy here absolutely depends on it.
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    Tom Froemming reacted to Doctor Gast in Time for a Challenge? Revisiting 6 Twins Challenge Trades   
    Thanks Tom for your article. There is no doubt in my mind that we should. But our trades should be well calculated, meaning #1 we need to trade from our fat, not muscle. Meaning we trade some one where we can easily substitute with a capable replacement, not a player where we have no one that comes close to replace him. #2  we need to intelligently evaluate our talent and the talent of player of intent.
    Example of fat, we have an over abundance at the less demanding corner/ DH positions so we have many options there that we can choose from and right now we have quite a few good pitching prospects which we could spare a couple, we also have good depth at catching.                                                                                                                           Example of muscle, you gave some, Hicks, we had nobody to replace him and Span/ Revere, one maybe but not both leaving a void. NO! CF is a very critical position where you need depth not a void. SS is also a critical position and right now we have a void at SS that needs to be filled, Our future SS Lewis we need to  step up some day, he's our only hope to fill that important position so I wouldn't trade him. CF we've had a great void at Buxton's sub for years. Our future sub and CF is Celestino. If we trade Buxton that would absolutely create such a unbelievably great void in the whole OF. I wouldn't trade Celestino or Kepler unless in Kepler's case only if we could in junction w/ other players get a great pitcher.
    Intelligently evaluating our talent and the talent of player of intent. Here I have some doubt with our FO ability to do so. Thinking that Cave is a capable sub for Buxton, is a major misevaluation, if he couldn't eye it he only needed to look at how many games we lost while he was there. I really don't even trust them to be able to cull down from our 40 man efficiently let alone pull off a big trade. In the Maeda/ Graterol trade, the Dodgers came to them and our FO enter that negotiations ignorantly, they could've gotten a much better deal. My impression is that they are uncomfortable initiating big trades, sending out the message "There's no trades out there".   In the lesser Odorizzi trade, I don't know who approached who. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt with hope that they can pull off finally that big trade that we desperately need correctly.
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    Tom Froemming reacted to mikelink45 in Time for a Challenge? Revisiting 6 Twins Challenge Trades   
    That was an excellent review.  I enjoyed the memories and some real disappointments.  Getting J J Hardy was excellent, too bad we did not keep him.   Perhaps you did not want to add to the woe, but this headline from Twinkie Town captures the essence of the follow up trade: "It's Official: Twins Trade J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, $500,000 to Orioles for Jim Hoey, Brett Jacobson"  Boy was that some trade! 
    Then there is Brunansky for Tommy Herr - boy did that salvage the Twins Clubhouse and fan love!
    Puckett's Pond covered this one - "Minnesota Twins trade 1B Pat Crosby (minors) and 2B Tim Teufel (7.4 WAR) to the New York Mets for OF Billy Beane (-0.8 WAR), P Joe Klink (-0.3 WAR), and P Bill Latham (-0.3 WAR)."  Teufel goes to the WS with the Mets and we did not even offer Billy Beane a front office job.
    Of course there is the trade of Rod Carew due to the racist big mouth of Calvin Griffith! 
    Then of course we made the trade of Pressly to Houston and we are still waiting on the return tally while Pressly has gone to the WS.
     
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    Tom Froemming reacted to big dog in Time for a Challenge? Revisiting 6 Twins Challenge Trades   
    Thanks, my Twins PTSD just flared up again. John Ryan Murphy. In related news what's the over/under on the number of games Hicks plays this year? I feel for that guy.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from glunn in Predicting the Twins' Most Likely Free Agent Starting Pitcher Signing   
    Cobb is the free agent (outside of Pineda) I can most envision them signing. I wouldn't expect him to be the primary rotation upgrade of the offseason, but it wouldn't surprise me. I think their best avenue to actually fix this rotation is to trade for somebody. Get someone in their prime who's going to be around for multiple years. Gotta give something to get something, though.
    I would be prepared to overpay in a trade that brings in a rotation piece if it came down to it, but does this front office feel the same way? I'm not sure, maybe. They seem to be pretty risk averse, though. Maybe they'll play it safer, since last offseason was such a disaster. Smaller moves that go poorly don't look as bad as big moves that go south. Another terrible offseason and Jim Pohlad's grade for them might drop from an A+ to just an A. Then they'll really be feeling the heat! 😅 
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from glunn in Predicting the Twins' Most Likely Free Agent Starting Pitcher Signing   
    We all have our favorites on this year’s starting pitching market, the guys we most want to see in a Minnesota Twins uniform, but who is the most likely pitcher they’ll actually target and sign. That’s almost impossible to predict at this point, it’s not even technically the offseason yet, but let’s give it a shot anyway.
    Before we get into the name I landed on, let’s go over the main criteria I considered and go over some of the stats. I felt Michael Pineda would be too obvious of an answer to this question, so I excluded him from consideration (though I do use him as a comp later on in this article).
    Experience
    This typically goes hand-in-hand with free agents, though there are some guys on the market who haven’t turned 30 yet. The Twins should be looking to improve the rotation via trades, but I believe they’ll also prioritize adding an experienced arm.
    Bailey Ober and Joe Ryan emerged as encouraging pieces to the rotation last season, but they could use someone to set an example and take some of the pressure off of them.
    Distinction
    Speaking of Ober and Ryan, it would be nice to add a pitcher whose game plan is unique to what those two do so well. Both Twins rookies showed a penchant for working up in the zone with their four-seam fastballs. While that’s an effective plan of attack for many MLB hurlers, and there’s probably room for at least one more like them in this rotation, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Twins target a different look.
    A pitcher who primarily attacks the bottom of the zone with sinkers and gets more ground balls could be a nice change of pace, but swinging strikes and strikeouts should still be a priority.
    Health
    The Twins are going to need innings, but it’s not like there are a bunch of workhorses out there on the market. Some of the guys who did shoulder a significant workload this season are getting up there in age, which makes you wonder if they’re even good bets to eat innings. Given the uncertainty in the rotation, the Twins need to get somebody they know is entering the offseason healthy. That actually slims things down a decent amount.
    There are some intriguing pitchers who were out all last season (including Justin Verlander and James Paxton) or who ended 2021 on the Injured List (including Dylan Bundy and Danny Duffy). There’s likely to be a good investment to be made among those recovering pitchers but I don’t think the Twins will want to count on a rehab going as planned.
    Performance
    This might seem like an obvious one, but the Twins are going to want to add at least one starting pitcher who pitched well in 2021. I still think it’d be a good idea for them to also try to uncover someone who underperformed and hope to get them on track — just look at how well that worked with Robbie Ray and Carlos Rodón last year — but there should be at least one addition who isn’t viewed as a project.
    This also narrows things down quite a bit. The tricky part here is I don’t expect the Twins to be shopping at the top of the market. Beyond Max Scherzer, Kevin Gausman, Marcus Stroman, Ray and Rodón there aren’t a ton of free agents who pitched really well in 2021.
    Player X
    Before I reveal the name of the pitcher I landed on, let’s take a look at his numbers when compared to some names that will be familiar to Twins fans and some other free agents. This particular pitcher had a 2021 season that was much better than he’d pitched in recent years, so I felt it was more representative to use numbers from the past two seasons.
    Name IP ERA FIP SIERA K% BB% SwStr% GB% HR/FB Kenta Maeda 173 3.90 3.67 3.59 27.5% 6.0% 14.9% 42.1% 15.7% Jose Berrios 255 3.64 3.62 3.83 25.9% 6.7% 10.3% 42.2% 12.7% Marcus Stroman 179 3.02 3.49 3.95 21.6% 6.0% 11.6% 50.8% 12.8% Player X 145.2 3.95 3.62 4.12 22.0% 8.2% 10.7% 53.8% 13.4% Zack Greinke 238 4.12 4.18 4.30 19.3% 4.6% 9.6% 43.5% 15.2% Michael Pineda 136 3.57 3.82 4.35 19.9% 4.9% 11.3% 39.5% 10.6% Anthony DeSclafani 201.1 3.84 4.03 4.36 21.2% 7.0% 10.8% 43.2% 12.3% Stats courtesy of FanGraphs. Here’s a link to some more information on SIERA if you’re unfamiliar with that stat. 
    So over the past two seasons, Player X has ...
    A FIP equal to that of José Berríos with an even better swinging strike rate. A strikeout rate better than Marcus Stroman and Anthony DeSclafani. Better numbers than Zack Greinke in all of these categories except innings and walk rate. The best ground-ball rate of this bunch. Again, keep in mind this particular player had a much more impressive 2021 performance than 2020. One last thing I want to display before the big reveal is how Player X’s Baseball Savant sliders compare to José Berríos. 

    OK, ready?
    ...
    Player X is Alex Cobb.
    Going back to the original criteria I mentioned, Cobb is a 34-year-old veteran with nine years of service time, primarily works with a sinker and split-change down in the zone, had a couple of IL stints last year but finished the season healthy and is coming off a great 2021 in which he ranked in the top-12 among all pitchers in FIP, GB% and Barrel% (minimum 90 innings). His 9.5 K/9 and 24.9 K% were both career highs.
    I’d prefer a pitcher who has a more encouraging overall track record of health, but again, it’s not like there are a lot of workhorses out there these days. It’s kinda slim pickings on the starting pitching market. Jon Gray has been an early favorite of mine, but I’m starting to feel like there’s a very good chance he returns to the Colorado Rockies one way or another. They’ve had concrete extension talks with him and are considering making him a qualifying offer.
    Cobb just completed the final season of a four-year, $57 million deal in which he signed with the Baltimore Orioles but finished with the Los Angeles Angels. It’s going to be very difficult to predict how the market unfolds this offseason, but Cobb will definitely fall somewhere in a price range the Twins find palatable.
    This name would not have inspired me much, but after taking some of these numbers into consideration, I do actually think this would be a solid signing for the Twins. Cobb seemed to be revitalized in part due to the reunion with Joe Maddon, whom he was successful under in Tampa Bay. That organization is where Rocco Baldelli was groomed, of course, so perhaps Minnesota would also be an attractive destination for Cobb.
    So that’s the starting pitcher I’m guessing is most likely to be targeted by the Twins. What do you think about Cobb and who are some other targets you envision for the Twins this winter?

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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from Hosken Bombo Disco in Lessons From Atlanta: If You Have A Shot, Take It   
    Thing is Atlanta didn't blow up the future at all. Here are the guys they gave up.
    For Rosario: Pablo Sandoval, who was immediately released by Cleveland.
    For Soler: Kasey Kalich, a reliever in High-A. Not among the top-30 Royals prospects per MLB Pipeline.
    For Duval: Alex Jackson, a 25-year-old catcher who has hit .132/.243/.225 (.488 OPS) in 61 MLB games. 
    For Pederson: Bryce Ball, a High-A first baseman who hit .206/.351/.387 (.738 OPS) this year. He is not listed among the Cubs' top-30 prospects on MLB Pipeline, though he was No. 19 on Atlanta's 2020 list.
    Atlanta really didn't do any damage to its future by making those trades. They mainly provided salary relief to the teams they dealt with.
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    Tom Froemming got a reaction from DocBauer in Predicting the Twins' Most Likely Free Agent Starting Pitcher Signing   
    Cobb is the free agent (outside of Pineda) I can most envision them signing. I wouldn't expect him to be the primary rotation upgrade of the offseason, but it wouldn't surprise me. I think their best avenue to actually fix this rotation is to trade for somebody. Get someone in their prime who's going to be around for multiple years. Gotta give something to get something, though.
    I would be prepared to overpay in a trade that brings in a rotation piece if it came down to it, but does this front office feel the same way? I'm not sure, maybe. They seem to be pretty risk averse, though. Maybe they'll play it safer, since last offseason was such a disaster. Smaller moves that go poorly don't look as bad as big moves that go south. Another terrible offseason and Jim Pohlad's grade for them might drop from an A+ to just an A. Then they'll really be feeling the heat! 😅 
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    Tom Froemming reacted to DocBauer in Predicting the Twins' Most Likely Free Agent Starting Pitcher Signing   
    Tom, I guess my question to you, which you sort of hinted at, are you looking at Cobb as a secondary acquisition? Because if he's the primary addition then I have to say no. I don't trust the injury history, or feel there's enough upside to make a difference. 
    I'd prefer Cobb as a #3 SP option but could be convinced he'd be a solid #2 if the health question/gamble turned out. While his career W/L is uninspiring, as is his career K/9, most of his overall numbers are solid across the board. He could be that experienced, veteran guy that just suddenly stays healthy and starts to perform the way he always "could have" before, even at 34yo. It happens. We see a guy like that almost every year.
    Forgetting what I believe will be an approximate $140M payroll for the team to re-tool and compete and thus have the money for a quality FA signing to lead the staff, my biggest problem trying to figure out 2022 is the #2 spot. Is that filled via FA or trade? My gut tells me Pineda is the #3, and it's an easy play, as you alluded to.
    I can be talked in to Cobb. You make a compelling arguement. And I'd LOVE Gray, but recent rumors say Colorado may offer a QO, assuming they can with the CBA up in the air. If that happens, the Twins are out unless their pick next year is protected. (Want to say it is, but am not sure). I think Wood and Matz might be safer, and I do like a bounceback from Bundy and Duffy.
    But again, you've given me a lot to think about and I could be talked in to Cobb. Nice OP!
     
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