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  1. 9 hours ago, USAFChief said:

    Here's my letter:

    Dear Mr Manfred:

    Break the union. Start spring training with minor league players. I guarantee you, a missed paycheck or 2 from the pampered crybabies will have the MLBPA begging to get back on your teams. 

    Focus on making the sport more competitive top to bottom. Institute salary floors and caps that are relatively narrow, and all teams can live within. Pay more to minor leaguers, and flatten the payscale of major leaguers. Give players the ability to move around after 6 years of service, but take away the enormous financial advantage of some teams to buy up players that exists now. 

    MLB and its fans will be better off with a neutered players union and more competitve league. You'll get some short term bad press, but long term you'll better the sport.



    Pampered crybabies....you mean the owners, right?  The ones who had $10B in revenue....The ones who get tax payer funded/tax breaks/assistance for stadiums to that continue to build their investment.  Like the Pohlads, who bought the Twins for $40M, and are valued at $1.3B.   Yeah, the players definitely are the crybabies.

  2. I am legit the biggest Eddie supporter ever.  He has "juice".  Totally unquantifiable, and nothing you should really base your analysis on, but as a fan, I loved him.  He is going to win the NLCS MVP, then the World Series MVP.  But, the Twins were right to let him go.  I still wear my Super Rosario hat and hoodie, and continue to love watching the whole Eddie Rosario Experience.  

  3. 6 minutes ago, spycake said:

    There's some data that Rogers isn't as effective back-to-back. And letting him go another inning would preclude even attempting to pitch him for more than 3 outs the following day, if necessary.

    The Twins may have still done it (let Rogers pitch a full inning down 1 Friday) except that they had already used Farrell and Robles while trailing the night before. There are some limits to how often you can pursue that strategy!

    Yup, I get it.  Perhaps my frustration is more diving back in the the Shoemaker pool, then the actual Rogers usage

  4. 5 minutes ago, spycake said:

    I think you might be misinterpreting that line of reasoning. It is about conservation of resources. Rogers absolutely could have thrown another inning after his 3 pitches, but that could have impacted his availability/effectiveness for the following game. So Baldelli made the calculation that it wasn’t worth it, down by 1 at that point. Folks can and do still disagree with that, of course. :)

    Sure, I mean, I get that...but if you are gonna get a reliever warmed up, and throw him 3 pitches, surely another inning, and roughly another 20 pitches, isn't gonna preclude him from pitching the following day.  I guess that was the angle I just don't get.   

  5. I don't understand the "not putting Rogers back out there because they are losing".  That makes zero sense, always, but ESPECIALLY when the dude only threw 3 pitches!!   Just because they are losing, suddenly Rogers isn't going to know how to pitch??  This type of thinking always drives me nuts.  It's not like you can bring Rogers back in again if you score the following inning after you pulled him.  You brought him in, you didn't score, you can absolutely get another inning out of him.  


    Yeah, this is off.  In 2020 the (normal) average MLB payroll was $158.9M, which equates out to $4.77 BILLION in player salaries, so pretty much 48%.  This means that every team would average $175M to pay for all other expenses, including taxes.  Obviously though, a number of teams aren't getting anywhere near $175M in excess revenue--they're probably not even close to $75M, and would still need to pay corporate taxes, all the coaches, all the team staff, stadium operating costs, draft picks, minor leaguers, and any investment in the organization, all before the owner even makes a dime.  The Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, and a few others have enough excess to pay the salaries at the top of the scale.  15 to 20 organizations do not (unless they want to lose money, and again, why should owners lose money on something they're spending tens, if not hundreds of millions on annually).


    Sorry, I can't jump on the players are greedy train.  Let's say the 48% is the correct number....isn't at least half the revenue going to the players a good thing?!?  I mean, that's what we are watching, right, the players?  And if it was such a tough business to run with margins so tight, you wouldn't have owners dropping $2.4B to acquire a team.


    You're right--they don't care about winning.  They care about Winning (well, maybe not Cleveland.  But that's what happens to a franchise when a Dolan is in charge).  Baltimore and Pittsburgh could have signed Bauer, Realmuto, and traded for Lindor while giving him a $300M contract, and they would still not be serious contenders for a World Series title.


    If you want to blame anyone, blame Houston.  The Astros demonstrated you can tear everything down and not try to win for 3-5 years, spend almost nothing, and rebuild your organization, and then resume caring about both winning and Winning.  Or blame the Rays, who have never had a payroll above $80M, are currently at $28M (less than half the league average), and yet are still a favorite to make the playoffs.


    Or to be perfectly honest--blame the players.  The players absolute refusal to agree to any kind of salary cap, whether individual or team, so long as it is paired with a salary floor, is why some teams can spend and others can't.  Do you really think the owners wouldn't agree to a structure whereby they must spend at least $120M, but no one could spend more than $170M, and then adjust those numbers annually based on revenue increase/decrease?

    Wait....blame the players?!?!   They have a system in place where they get paid nothing for their training in MiLB, then, once they make the show, they are stuck with a team for 6 years before they get to actually go to a competitive market to shop their services...at which time they basically get 1 shot at a big contract....meanwhile, they are in a sport that had $10B in revenue.   EVERY single owner can afford salaries...they choose not to.


    I always kind of felt like Denard Span was partly to "blame" (please note the quotes, blame isn't exactly the right word). He was the heir apparent to Torii in center but he had seemingly stalled out a bit in the minors, so the Twins felt like whatever they got for Santana had to include a CF. 


    On the flip side, the trade seemed to light a fire under Span's butt and he was a much better player after the Twins got Gomez. 


    Also, don't forget the impact of Terry Ryan leaving Bill Smith to hold the bag that offseason. 

    ^^ That!!!   Specifically Ryan leaving and giving Bill Smith the job of dealing with Johan.  That was a straight garbage move.   

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