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    chpettit19 reacted to Trov in Manaea moved... Just Sayin...   
    A few comments.  The innings thing mentioned you need to remember that very few starters pitch much more than 150 innings in a season. Only 39 pitchers threw more than 159 innings last season, and Twins had only 1 of them, Berrios.  In 2019, there was several more pitchers that threw over 150, but not a ton over the 150, and Twins had like 4 guys, Berrios, Perez, Gibson and Odo.  Big Mike was just below 150, and we as a team did just fine. Berrios and Perez were the top innings guys with Gibson and Odo 160 and 159.  So to argue that we cannot win because it is unlikely people will pitch more than 150 innings, to me, is not backed up by data.
    Now, in terms of Manaea, I wish the Twins would have at least asked about him, but rumors are they did not even ask, which means either they are high on what they have, or they are low on Manaea.  we know they have talked to Oakland about their other starter.  I do not know if Twins were low on him because maybe his numbers were inflated pitching in Oakland, a pitchers park.  It could be lack of years of control affected this as well.
    In terms of the prospects, it is highly likely we could have matched, although I do not know if Cavaco would be the IF that got it done.  More likely Miller.  Maybe Manaea does well for Padres and we look a fool for not going after him.  Maybe not.  Maybe we actually make deal with Padres now as they are starter heavy and need OF help.
    Finally, I find the hype on Petty interesting.  He was a late first round pick, that some scouts had as a reach.  Yes, he has the velo, but even with that velo he was still 13th pitcher taken, and 5th High School pitcher taken.  Sure he may be a good pitcher in future, but to slate him as the face of a pitching staff right now is some major hype.  He is 7th prospect in Reds, and was around there with Twins.  Maybe he will live up to that hype, but high school pitchers are generally a gamble. 
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from GNess in Kirilloff as trade bait?   
    When healthy last year Kirilloff looked great. He's a possible elite bat who looked like he was well on his way when he was healthy. If the team medical people are telling you his wrist is a gigantic question mark for his entire career you can certainly think about trading him now, but if that's not the case I'm not trading a bat like his for a year or 2 of a pitcher.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from CarpetGuy in Kirilloff as trade bait?   
    When healthy last year Kirilloff looked great. He's a possible elite bat who looked like he was well on his way when he was healthy. If the team medical people are telling you his wrist is a gigantic question mark for his entire career you can certainly think about trading him now, but if that's not the case I'm not trading a bat like his for a year or 2 of a pitcher.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from roger in Kirilloff as trade bait?   
    When healthy last year Kirilloff looked great. He's a possible elite bat who looked like he was well on his way when he was healthy. If the team medical people are telling you his wrist is a gigantic question mark for his entire career you can certainly think about trading him now, but if that's not the case I'm not trading a bat like his for a year or 2 of a pitcher.
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    chpettit19 reacted to gunnarthor in Kirilloff as trade bait?   
    Kiriloff for either A's pitcher would be an overpay considering the years of control left. 
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    chpettit19 reacted to yeahyabetcha in Kirilloff as trade bait?   
    I wouldn’t make that trade, but I consider Kiriloff pretty much untouchable.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from tony&rodney in What the what??   
    They're saying "let's not let this hurdle hold up the entire deal." Not sure how that's a bad thing. They are saying if they agree to the rest of the CBA they'll sign the deal now and give themselves a few more months to figure out the international draft. If they can't agree on it by July 15 they'll readdress it in the next CBA. Not sure how this is a bad thing. This is the most "fan friendly" move they've made in trying to get a deal done today instead of fighting over this 1 last thing.
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    chpettit19 reacted to tony&rodney in Which side is more disingenuous?   
    Agreement forthcoming .... 
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    chpettit19 reacted to TheLeviathan in Which side is more disingenuous?   
    I question this sourcing.  Given what the Braves showed in profits (the only readily available information we concretely have)...this seems dubious at best.  
    I think ownership profits are significantly more than this.  
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    chpettit19 reacted to TheLeviathan in Which side is more disingenuous?   
    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-braves-made-some-money-in-2021/#:~:text=The Braves enjoyed a banner,2020 season%2C to %24193 million.
    They made 104M in 2021.  This is readily available information via google if you don't have a false agenda to push.
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    chpettit19 reacted to tony&rodney in Which side is more disingenuous?   
    Well, as a monopoly we should not expect MLB to open their books. The PA keeps tight controls of their internal votes and so we don't really know how the players with less experience feel. These are issues that will continue and we are outsiders to the real goals of each side, likely just money.
    Statistica is using whatever information they can put together to come to their conclusions, which seems fair enough but is largely an estimate. The Atlanta Braves are owned by Liberty and required to file a full financial report of their businesses that is published for shareholders; it is public information. The numbers from the report did show a substantial positive gain for Liberty from their baseball operations. Yes, they were in the World Series but most of the big gains for World Series teams are the year after, due to increased season ticket holders, ad revenue, etc. So, MLB should not be expected to reveal their finances but we should not assume that there is accurate financial information on the clubs. It isn't our business really unless a city required said economic information in return for public funds used to build stadiums and that has not happened to date.
    On another topic, it seems like the PA should punt their issues down the road as regards the international draft. By the close of the 2024 season, each side might view the issues of today in a different light. Three years is something, at least.
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    chpettit19 reacted to TheLeviathan in Which side is more disingenuous?   
    Right, the site listed is estimating and I can't even see what sources they are using.  So it's dubious to take that as gospel.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from Minny505 in 2022 Minnesota Twins Top 15 Prospects   
    For what it's worth they have 4 in the Fangraphs top 100. Balazovic (44), Duran (81), SWR (85) and Canterino (97).
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from Minny505 in 2022 Minnesota Twins Top 15 Prospects   
    They have 4 SPs in the Fangraphs Top 100...
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from Squirrel in 2022 Minnesota Twins Top 15 Prospects   
    For what it's worth they have 4 in the Fangraphs top 100. Balazovic (44), Duran (81), SWR (85) and Canterino (97).
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from Squirrel in 2022 Minnesota Twins Top 15 Prospects   
    They have 4 SPs in the Fangraphs Top 100...
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    chpettit19 reacted to Trov in Post Lock out Moves: Potential Twins Trades   
    I agree with this.  First, I have not heard much on a floor, and I cannot see the owners agree to a floor without a cap of some kind.  In other leagues the floor has a cap and both are established based on revenue.  First, I know the writer just threw out 100 for a number, but I agree it would be no where near that, at least not out the gate.  That would force some teams to spend a ton on lower level FA as many higher ones have signed and the teams with that low of payroll are not going to be signing correa just because they have to spend the money, unless he 100% going after most money.  I agree most lower teams would then lock up their younger guys to front loaded contracts to comply if they needed to act right away, and not take on bad vet contracts, unless the offers were good enough. 
    Second, I would take Padres off list, because I do not think they are over the tax number yet.  Sure would they love to save some money and dump those bad contracts yes, but they are not giving up their top prospects to do it.   Unless they had plans to sign a top FA by cutting those contracts, but I doubt that is their idea. 
    The Mets may want to cut some money for the Tax but if they really had that in mind they would not have signed who they did this year already.  Sure, if Twins came and said we will take Cano off your hands, maybe throw in Bonilla, Mets may give up a mid-level guy but not top prospects.
    I like the outside the box thinking on this, but I highly doubt any team will give up a top prospect or good young players just to dump some bad contracts.  Unless the CBA forces their hand to do so for some reason, but again, I highly doubt any major changes to a floor, cap, or tax level would go into full affect but would go in slowly over the next couple of years. 
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    chpettit19 reacted to roger in Post Lock out Moves: Potential Twins Trades   
    Why is everyone assuming there will be a salary floor?  Sure, it has been mentioned.  But if there is a hard floor, you know the owners are going to insist on some type of cap other than the current tax.  Do you really think the players will accept anything resembling a hard cap?  Although I could be 100% wrong, I don't see that happening in this negotiation.  
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from wabene in Baldelli: Pros/Cons and what I think about his future with the Twins   
    I think evaluating Rocco is really hard. I think people underestimate how much input the FO has on the way he manages. I believe it was on The Athletic, but there was an article talking about the late Mike Bell and having a bench coach in general. There was an interesting part in it where they talked about Rocco not having his right hand man to be in the clubhouse and be able to put out small fires. They talked about how it was even worse happening in this season because he spent so much time in his office with the FO people figuring out how to get the season back on track and pitching plans, etc. I don't think its crazy that a bench coach is so important.
    I know many fans have a problem with him managing "by the numbers" so much and want someone different for that reason. This FO is never going to hire a La Russa. If your complaint is "laptop managing" you're going to be mad about any manager brought in by this FO. They will always bring in someone who manages that way as it's how they build their team and believe a team wins.
    I think Rocco is a fine manager. Doesn't change the Wins and Loses at the end of the year really (I don't think there's any manager that really changes performance that much). I don't like the "it's his fault the team is bad at fundamentals" argument either. If millionaire athletes can't do what they're paid to do it's on them, not the manager. The Twins have been a pretty veteran team during his time here. I think it's reasonable that he expects veterans to have their routines down and be ready to perform without him having to hold their hands. If he has to hold their hands they're the wrong players to have on the team. It made sense he required BP and infield/outfield work for young players as the season transitioned last year. To me that's a sign of a good 2021 manager. Managing, coaching, whatever athletes in 2021 isn't a yell and scream situation. It's just not done that way anymore. So I think Rocco does fine. Wouldn't be upset if he's on the hot seat in 2022, but also don't think it's crazy if he isn't.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from Richie the Rally Goat in Baldelli: Pros/Cons and what I think about his future with the Twins   
    I think evaluating Rocco is really hard. I think people underestimate how much input the FO has on the way he manages. I believe it was on The Athletic, but there was an article talking about the late Mike Bell and having a bench coach in general. There was an interesting part in it where they talked about Rocco not having his right hand man to be in the clubhouse and be able to put out small fires. They talked about how it was even worse happening in this season because he spent so much time in his office with the FO people figuring out how to get the season back on track and pitching plans, etc. I don't think its crazy that a bench coach is so important.
    I know many fans have a problem with him managing "by the numbers" so much and want someone different for that reason. This FO is never going to hire a La Russa. If your complaint is "laptop managing" you're going to be mad about any manager brought in by this FO. They will always bring in someone who manages that way as it's how they build their team and believe a team wins.
    I think Rocco is a fine manager. Doesn't change the Wins and Loses at the end of the year really (I don't think there's any manager that really changes performance that much). I don't like the "it's his fault the team is bad at fundamentals" argument either. If millionaire athletes can't do what they're paid to do it's on them, not the manager. The Twins have been a pretty veteran team during his time here. I think it's reasonable that he expects veterans to have their routines down and be ready to perform without him having to hold their hands. If he has to hold their hands they're the wrong players to have on the team. It made sense he required BP and infield/outfield work for young players as the season transitioned last year. To me that's a sign of a good 2021 manager. Managing, coaching, whatever athletes in 2021 isn't a yell and scream situation. It's just not done that way anymore. So I think Rocco does fine. Wouldn't be upset if he's on the hot seat in 2022, but also don't think it's crazy if he isn't.
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    chpettit19 reacted to mikelink45 in Introducing the Head 2 Head Debate Forum!   
    I love it.  One of my pleasures on TD is when I get comments and discussions - and often other opinions.  This could be really fun - Go Eddie Rosario!
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    chpettit19 reacted to jmlease1 in Let Me Talk About Catchers   
    are you just trolling in every thread now? Jeffers is a far superior defensive catcher by basically any possible metric, including the eye test. Astudillo got few chances at catcher this year because the Twins know he's not really any good back there. (Jeffers, even through his struggles, was a more valuable hitter at catcher as well)
    Astudillo is a fun player and obviously a likable guy, but he's not any kind of solution at catcher and doesn't hit or defend enough to deserve a spot on the 40-man, let alone the MLB roster.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from roger in Settling in at Shortstop   
    I didn't mean be an above average hitter for the league as a whole, I meant hit well enough to play as a glove only SS in the majors. Take Simmons for example. He can still field the position, but he can't even hit well enough to even be a glove first major league SS anymore. He barely hit enough when he was an all world glove at the position. The hitting standards for a glove first SS aren't terribly high, and I don't think the Twins have anyone who can even meet those standards while also fielding as well as you need to at that position to warrant a major league spot. The Miller kid they just drafted may fit the bill, but he's a fresh out of high school signing so he's not an answer anytime soon.
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from TopGunn#22 in Settling in at Shortstop   
    Michael Brantley is under contract with the Houston Astros in 2022. Are the Astros cutting him and eating $16M or are the Twins trading for him and taking on $16M while also trying to sign Ray or Syndergaard, Duffy, and Grienke and, presumably, extending Buxton (don't think they'd like to start 2022 with him if he isn't under long-term control)?
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    chpettit19 got a reaction from TopGunn#22 in Settling in at Shortstop   
    I don't think the Twins have a major league SS in their system right now. I think it's the biggest failure of this FO. There are guys I think will hit at the ML level and guys who can field at the major league level, but nobody who can do both. I think the Twins should make a legit push for one of the big name guys on a 5 or 6 year deal. I think Baez or Story could be had for less than the other superstar shortstops. I don't know if they'd be interested in coming here (Baez may want to stay with his friend Lindor in NY and run that back next year), but I think the Twins should make a run at those big name guys. Donaldson has 2 expensive years left, but the Twins don't really have other big price tag guys around for multiple years. Extend Buxton and bring in one of these SSs to pair with Polanco in the middle for the next few years. 
    I know the Twins need pitching, but that needs to come from the prospect pipeline. I hope they go after some big name guys and maybe sign 1 of them this offseason, but for the sustained success they want to have they need to produce arms internally. With the youth movement happening now and so many guys on pre-arb and arb deals for the next handful of years I think they can afford both a Buxton extension and a big time SS. Lock up the middle of the field with Buxton, Polanco, and a FA SS. They have plenty of young guys to handle the corners.
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