
Cris E
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Cris E reacted to terrydactyls in Fire Tingler and the Trainer IMMEDIATELY
Or it's a slightly pulled hamstring and you have greatly over reacted.
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Cris E got a reaction from bighat in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
What.
He's not going to pitch at all for a year, and last time it took a second year to find the plate. After that you are gambling that he comes back at the level he's established and then you get to bet how long he can avoid another injury. Pair that with a v e r y expensive DH (to save his legs for pitching) and you get what, a Buxton platoon partner? Another blocker to force Julien or Wallner's gloves back on to the field?
Sure he'd be fun, but the deal would be $30 for the first year and then maybe 50 for 5 more, so 6 yr $280m? That does not get it done, but forgive me if I can't see the sunny side of this over the stacks of Correa and Buxton money piled up outside the trainer's room. We don't need another major bet on health.
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Cris E reacted to farmerguychris in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
Its fun to think about, but it would eat up too much of our budget. Like they've demonstrated in LA - one, or even two (Trout) superstars do not make a winning team. Hopefully someone like the Yankees or Houston (even if prefer he goes to the NL) sign him to eat up a big chunk of their salary space.
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Cris E reacted to Rod Carews Birthday in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
I most certainly hope not.
That being said, IF he can pitch again while playing DH, just what is the monetary value of what is essentially a bonus roster spot? That's the part I can't really put a number on.
Also, IF he is a good to great pitcher again, maybe that's worth $30M, but a straight (defensive side) DH is not worth another $30M. Nobody should pay that for a DH, but maybe somebody will. Who knows?
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Cris E reacted to terrydactyls in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
So close to staying on topic. It took seven comments before the first complaint about not adding a reliever at the deadline. So close.
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Cris E reacted to Seth Stohs in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
$60 million per year for 10 years for a DH???
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Cris E got a reaction from LewFordLives in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
What.
He's not going to pitch at all for a year, and last time it took a second year to find the plate. After that you are gambling that he comes back at the level he's established and then you get to bet how long he can avoid another injury. Pair that with a v e r y expensive DH (to save his legs for pitching) and you get what, a Buxton platoon partner? Another blocker to force Julien or Wallner's gloves back on to the field?
Sure he'd be fun, but the deal would be $30 for the first year and then maybe 50 for 5 more, so 6 yr $280m? That does not get it done, but forgive me if I can't see the sunny side of this over the stacks of Correa and Buxton money piled up outside the trainer's room. We don't need another major bet on health.
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Cris E got a reaction from Original_JB in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
What.
He's not going to pitch at all for a year, and last time it took a second year to find the plate. After that you are gambling that he comes back at the level he's established and then you get to bet how long he can avoid another injury. Pair that with a v e r y expensive DH (to save his legs for pitching) and you get what, a Buxton platoon partner? Another blocker to force Julien or Wallner's gloves back on to the field?
Sure he'd be fun, but the deal would be $30 for the first year and then maybe 50 for 5 more, so 6 yr $280m? That does not get it done, but forgive me if I can't see the sunny side of this over the stacks of Correa and Buxton money piled up outside the trainer's room. We don't need another major bet on health.
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Cris E got a reaction from Karbo in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
What.
He's not going to pitch at all for a year, and last time it took a second year to find the plate. After that you are gambling that he comes back at the level he's established and then you get to bet how long he can avoid another injury. Pair that with a v e r y expensive DH (to save his legs for pitching) and you get what, a Buxton platoon partner? Another blocker to force Julien or Wallner's gloves back on to the field?
Sure he'd be fun, but the deal would be $30 for the first year and then maybe 50 for 5 more, so 6 yr $280m? That does not get it done, but forgive me if I can't see the sunny side of this over the stacks of Correa and Buxton money piled up outside the trainer's room. We don't need another major bet on health.
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Cris E got a reaction from gagu in Could Ohtani UCL open the door for the Twins?
What.
He's not going to pitch at all for a year, and last time it took a second year to find the plate. After that you are gambling that he comes back at the level he's established and then you get to bet how long he can avoid another injury. Pair that with a v e r y expensive DH (to save his legs for pitching) and you get what, a Buxton platoon partner? Another blocker to force Julien or Wallner's gloves back on to the field?
Sure he'd be fun, but the deal would be $30 for the first year and then maybe 50 for 5 more, so 6 yr $280m? That does not get it done, but forgive me if I can't see the sunny side of this over the stacks of Correa and Buxton money piled up outside the trainer's room. We don't need another major bet on health.
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Cris E reacted to Bigfork Twins Guy in Lewis Back Up to Replace Solano? Polanco to 1B?
I would not rush Lewis for fear that he may re-injure his oblique like Theilbar did earlier this season when he came back too early. Make sure he is ready even if it means plugging in Gallo. We need a healthy Lewis for the stretch run.
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Cris E reacted to HoskenPowell in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
It's not even the worst by the brain trust in last 12 months or even 2nd worst. Jesus H Christ did you want them to run Chris Archer ( or Bunde ) out there 20 times again this year????? Mahle trade far worse.......Paddock trade far worse.....SInging Correa was much more worse as well. Odds are very , VERY much against Arraez hitting 400......1941 is the last time......1941 , so the odds are you will win the lottery b4 Arraez hits 400 , or any one else for that matter. Theres lots of life left in this trade yet....the minor leaguer we got may amount to something..Arraez could end up hitting 320 not 400 , with little power and zero speed. His average at best defense may turn south with his knees .....Lopez may reel off 5/6 wins in a row. WE don't know yet. If Kepler/Gallo/Pagan or Correa had done something by now no one would need to worry about the Arraez trade. Lopez is MILES better than what we ran out tot he bump last year. Archer and Bunde were unwatchable.
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Cris E reacted to weitz41 in Recent trades and potential future moves
I agree with most of the future moves. Gallo, I get it, but Wallner or Larnach haven't shown yet that they are much different than a lower OBP version of Gallo. Moving Kepler would make room for one or both of them and not cost the team a power threat.
MAT trade. I agree with you was a good trade.
Jorge Lopez trade. Was an overpay at the time. That's what happens when you trade for an all-star closer with 1/2 a season of success. Looks even worse now. Cano was not very good in his short time as a Twin. Some credit should be given to Baltimore's coaches here. a D seems fair.
Paddack trade. This one I continue to not see or understand all the angst over...We traded a good set up guy and Rooker. For a starter, another BP arm and a prospect. Let's be realistic here. Rogers is a set up guy in a normal BP. Not a closer. Once he was exposed enough by the Padres his success collapsed and was eventually traded again for an actual closer. Yes, yes, Paddack got hurt, Pagan is what he is, maybe a #7-8 guy in a BP. By the end of the 2022 season Rogers #'s were just as bad as Pagans. So, we traded Roger's worst season as a pro and Rooker who was DFA'd shortly after. For two seasons of Pagan and starter who may be back from TJ this season and will be with the team thru 2025..IMO this is a C now and if Paddack gives the team 100+ innings the next two full seasons it's an ez A.
Mahle trade...The elephant in the room...This one is definitely the worst of the trades. F is a fair grade. Steer and CES instead of say Solano and Castro would be preferable. My only bone to pick about this trade is the whole damaged goods argument. If you won't trade or sign players with an injury history, you may as well disconnect your phone because you don't need it. Ask the Rangers if Eovaldi/DeGrom has been worth the injury risk? Or the Yankees about Montas? No risk, no reward..
Pablo Lopez trade. With Arraez, the Twins could have the 3rd worse K rate instead of the worst? Probably still be in the top ten worst BA's and strand even more guys on base. Of course, the offense was going to suffer, but Arraez alone would not fix this hot mess of an offense. With Lopez we have a top 5 starting pitching staff. No dumpster dive starters.. Kind of like the Paddack trade. Anytime you can get the most valuable resource in baseball, starting pitching, you should probably do it. C is fair on this trade. If either of the prospects pan out or get traded for a player that improves the team the grade should go up.
Overall, right now a C is where I would put it.
Paddack and the prosects could raise the grade in the future. Steer, CES, Cano and the other prospects could lower the grade in the future.
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Cris E got a reaction from RpR in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
We've got over three months to go in this season and years of control remaining. It's still very early for words like "embarrassing".
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Cris E got a reaction from twinzcynic in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
This is not a good post. Wait until one guy gets off to a hot start and then quick slap something up before he gets hurt! Arraez is glass, and while he always took the field in 2022, by late summer he was a shell of the first half player. He had a .715 OPS in the second half while gimping around on bad legs and filling the tattered lineup card. This was a trade of starters in their prime and shouldn't be evaluated for a looong time.
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Cris E reacted to jkcarew in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
The organization 100% needed to trade for pitching. The traded a player from a deep organizational pool of bat-first poor-fielding infielders. They no doubt traded the one that had the most current trade value. All this is perfectly defensible.
Now…if the guy you traded goes out and immediately has a career year, way beyond anything he’s ever done before, and the guy you got goes sideways…
Let’s let things play out for a couple of years.
We can dwell on it. But if the FO did, they’d never make another trade.
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Cris E reacted to dxpavelka in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
You mean like Carlos Rodon? Or Jacob DeGrom? Justin Verlander do anything for you?
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Cris E reacted to dxpavelka in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
I fear you have Arraez confused with someone else. He finished 13th in the MVP voting. Highly unlikely that he'll finish in top 3 this year either.
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Cris E reacted to Dman in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
With the Arraez trade it just kind of feels like the baseball gods are pissing on us. Look I always knew he was going to be a .300 hitter and I thought there might be a few years in there where he hit .350 or so but never in my wildest dreams did I see him hitting near the .400 mark 3 months into any season let alone the first season.
The math for me was he was likely a high 700 to low 800 OPS player. He had been that the 4 years prior. Throw in the fact that his knee's were always giving him problems in MN and if he declined physically he had little to no value left. The positions that the farm was producing in abundance were utility, 2nd, 1st, DH type players which is right where Arraez played. Someone had to go and Miami targeted Arraez and only Arraez and the Twins as pretty much proven this year needed one more legit starter and Miami threw in a top 10 prospect and a nice lottery ticket DSL player to get the deal done.
We all loved Arraez there isn't a fan who wouldn't love the hard working blue collar guy he was. I loved watching him hit we all did and while maybe the Twins couldn't replace all his production it seemed logical that they could come close. Just look at Donny Solano's numbers right now they are just under what Arraez's were the preceding 4 years. It didn't seem like the Twins were really giving up something that couldn't be close to replaced OPS wise. The math made this an almost no brainer trade to me even though I loved Arraez the player
This trade is only three months in and I have to say it has been unbearably bad to this point. Arraez is off the charts good right now and in his prime for 4 more years and with his skills probably longer. Still I am not ready just yet to over react as the season isn't over and who knows how this all turns out in the end. Just look at Baddoo or any player for that matter and things can change from year to year.
For now I am willing to admit it looks like the math didn't work out the way I thought it would and Arreaz is making me look really bad. Still I don't think he keeps this kind of hot streak up forever and yet knowing Arreaz maybe he will.
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Cris E reacted to dxpavelka in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
Don't sleep on that injury theory just yet. A LOT of us liked the trade. Trust our instincts. Less than half a season is just that--less than half a season.
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Cris E reacted to Jocko87 in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
I don't know if you are referring to me but that is something I have said and will say again. It was and remains true. It just happens that its the one tool that can stand on its own and is a very good one. Is it generational? Doubtful. He will have to make a dramatic improvement in his health and stamina to maintain anything close to this pace. Remember being concerned about his legs holding up? At this point last year he was hitting .362 with an .899 OPS and fell off a relative cliff after. He didn't run away with the batting title, the season just ended before he could be caught. The pure hitter flopped badly in the second half, improbable as it may be. He's not Rod Carew, and as you state, the Twins knew what they were giving up, that goes both ways.
Where would he play? We already have enough stone handed fielders to find spots for. The FO knew the DH was occupied. There have been volumes on these pages about a roster crunch. Yes, I know he would have a spot hitting like this but who loses out? Yes, the roster looks much different without this trade, someone else would have gone somewhere, but it doesn't change that he doesn't project to be anything more than a powerless DH defensively.
Making proclamations about this trade less than 80 games in is shortsighted at best. Writing these pieces in the name of content production is the worst thing about the internet. While this is a SI article, Twins Daily could take the lesson as well. Less but better content. There is nothing to talk about here.
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Cris E reacted to Seth Stohs in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
Is this just a copy and paste of an article on another site rather than just a link and some opinion?
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Cris E reacted to TwinsDr2021 in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
They basically extended a good pitcher for the price of the pitchers that pitch as well as him have been getting and maybe less. The signing isn't the problem, see my post above for what is.
You do realize Lopez is younger than Ober (only two years older than Varland) with a track record way better than either of those two. No he isn't Valdez or Cole, but very few are.
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Cris E reacted to TwinsDr2021 in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
I get it people don't like the trade and love Arraez. But people are dumping on Lopez like he is Archer, Bundy, Shoemaker, and Happ, he isn't, he is a pitcher the Twins haven't had since Berrios, Gibson, and Erv Santana where going out consistently pitching into the 7th or 8th.
He hasn't pitched like a ace that is for sure. But he is averaging 6 innings per start and just more than half of the time he is going 6 with 3 runs or less, he is and has been healthy, Would I like to see less 4+ runs per start games, yes I would. But with him, Ryan and 5 inning Gray they give any team a chance in a 3 game series.
It takes giving up something to get something so IMO to get a pitcher like Lopez it was going to take Arreaz, Lewis or Lee (and with the later two probably another top prospect)
This post isn't meant to defend the FO, I mean it is the lack of actually building a pipeline and terrible other trades that forced their hand yet again into trading for another starting pitcher (Ryan, Gray, Paddock, Mahle). If look at what they gave up to Gray, Mahle and Lopez ts is a gosh darn kings ransom. Looking at each trade independently I was and still am for each because of the situation, taken as a whole this FO should really, really being worrying about their job if they can't turn this season around.
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Cris E reacted to dxpavelka in The Luis Arraez trade is getting embarrassing for the Twins (an Article from SI.com by Joe Nelson)
Hindsight: 20/20