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    Dman got a reaction from beckmt in Rob Manfred's Public Arguments Framing the MLBPA's Desires As Harmful to Fans Make Little Sense   
    I agree that if we don't want the players association to go just with the big teams the floor has to be higher.  The money has to be spent on the players not just pocketed by the owners.  I do think teams like Tampa, Oakland, and maybe Pittsburgh and Miami need to be moved to cities that can support them or contracted so that the floor can be at least 100M.  
    I want to be behind the players believe me but proposing to make half the league less competitive is a non starter for me.  As a fan I really do like caps as it creates a fair playing field. Everyone has the same things to work with they just need to make better decisions than the other clubs.  I get why the players don't want a cap as they have no idea what the owners are making and it seems likely that it is a lot.  I hate this whole thing but as a fan my greatest concern is fairer competition among teams.  I don't see either side as having a proposal I am in complete agreement on but so far the players side with less revenue sharing is where they have lost me completely.
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    Dman reacted to bean5302 in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    The Twins made no obvious efforts to sign any significant pitcher or shortstop so far this offseason and both categories of players were flying off the board. It really doesn't make a lot of sense for them to wait before making these types of signings, especially with the owners proposing a salary floor if they were intending on building this year.
    Buxton is a semi-notable signing since he's only making $9MM next year.
    I think it's very clear at this point, based on the Twins' moves and non-moves they're planning on tanking in 2022.
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    Dman reacted to RJA in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    I confess I am a tad cynical by nature, but I don't see them making a move on Story.  If they refused to be a player for any of the free agent pitchers--they were linked only to Ray and they wanted a 3 year deal apparently--I can't see them going for a shortstop for 5 years.  I would say that Story is the weakest of the big names given his recent performance and getting the Colorado boost at home as he has hit .303 with .972 OPS at Coors and .241 and with a .752 OPS on the road, but he is still a big time guy who would make the Twins better. I suspect they will end up signing a fill in for a year thinking that Lewis will be ready by 23.  As for trades for pitching, I would like to see a couple of the Oakland starters here but I fail to see the logic of spending nothing on free agent pitchers, and trading assets for any pitcher with only one year of control.  To save 45 million, they will trade Arraez, Larnach, Sands, and Sabato and maybe more only to end up with 3 total years of control over 2 pitchers.  It almost qualifies as malpractice that they did not sign at least one starter to a five year contract, and then trade for Montas or Castillo which would give them a fine rotation for the next two years, and if they cannot (or refuse to) sign them to an extension, by then a couple of your top prospects might be ready and hopefully Ryan and Ober will be even better.  With 40 plus million to spend, what in the world are they going to spend it on if not at least one starting pitcher in a tremendous free agent class?  I suspect the plan is to piece together a starting staff while suggesting they are developing "the next great trend in starting pitching" using openers and shuttling relief pitchers between Target field and St. Paul.  These guys really do think they are the smartest guys in the room.  I really hope for all our sakes that they are, but I fear their arrogance is going to be their Achilles heel.
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    Dman reacted to nicksaviking in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    If this team isn’t going to get three significantly better starting pitchers, I don’t think it matters who’s at SS.
    If they are punting this year, I’m not against moving Polanco back to SS as it would really help reinforce to the young pitchers the importance of striking the batters out.
    That last paragraph was approximately 60% joke.
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    Dman reacted to jmlease1 in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    Any plan that has Polanco going back to SS is a bad plan, IMHO. And as long as Trevor Story is still on the market, I'd be trying to sign him. If they're not going to land a top starter (and it sure looks like that's not going to happen for...reasons? hard to understand, that), then put some money at SS. I'm a big fan of Story, who is excellent defensively (and should be quality there for the next 5 years) and I think he'll hit just fine. 
    I'm not opposed to doing a bridge signing until Royce Lewis is ready, but they have to sign a legitimate defender at SS this offseason because they simply can't go into the season with the options being Polanco, Nick Gordon, and hoping that Royce is ready by midseason. If that ends up being the plan then every time Falvey gets asked a question it should be prefaced with "We know you're a damned liar, but..."
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    Dman reacted to TopGunn#22 in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    You might be right about them wanting to run a kid out at SS "In My La Z Boy"  but I think Story and Donaldson while similar, are also much different. Both are good RH hitters.  Guys you generally can count on to produce.  Story plays a much more premium position (SS) than Donaldson (3B) and he plays it at an elite level.  Story is a darn good SS.  Plus, Donaldson has had injury concerns for virtually his entire career.  Story does not.  So there are similarities, but also differences.  
    And Dr. Gast, I agree that Lewis and Martin could become super-utility types and that's what I would see from them when they first come up.  But I don't think the Twins would limit them to that.  Martin could very well develop into a heck of a LF'er who could play some CF to spell Buxton.  Lewis could still turn into a pretty good SS while also becoming valuable as a guy who could play all around the field.  Remember, Chris Taylor has played a lot of SS for the Dodgers when Seager had been hurt.  Story may eventually move to 3B and Lewis become the SS after 3-4 years.  The Twins may draft a kid who is a tremendous SS prospect as well.  it's hard to project 3-5 years down the road.  But what I'm trying to do is put the Twins in a competitive position for 2022 as well as beyond that with a Story signing and the blockbuster trade with Oakland for BOTH Montas and Bassitt.  And the Twins have the assets to remake and even out their roster if they have the guts to do it.
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    Dman reacted to In My La Z boy in The Twins NEED a Shortstop   
    Paying up for Story reminds me of paying up for Donaldson. We supposedly don't land Wheeler (like we tried?) - and we settle for offense/defense in Donaldson. We need quality pitching as a top priority. If we pass on Donaldson we are in better shape today. I say pass on Story. We seem intent on running out a bunch of kids on the mound. I'll bet we also are intent on running a kid out to shortstop. They got their Buxton signing done. Not sure they sign a big deal for anyone else as things stand today? Let's see how Nick Gordon looks at short this spring might be the thinking until we get to Lewis or Martin.
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    Dman reacted to Major League Ready in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    There was a time the split was close to 50/50.  Business models change and the change we have seen in MLB is teams spending far more on analytics and development staff.   I have read that some of the teams have added 100 employees in the past handful of years.  In other words, teams have shifted some of that 50% being invested in players to other types of staff.  The players are ignoring the changes in the industry.
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    Dman reacted to darin617 in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    I'm also not trying to defend owners either. They only acted first by starting the lockout. The players would have waited until either the All Star game or August and went on strike when it would hurt the owners most.
    Neither party is willing to negotiate until they have to. How dumb was it that they met for 7 minutes on the final day before the lockout started.
    Players make way too much money and owners are also greedy. I would love it if the owners would be forced to share more revenue with their state if their stadium was paid for with state funding. It would be a nice FU by the players to make the teams distribute more money back to the state.
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    Dman reacted to darin617 in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    Don't forget that nearly all owners never pay for their stadiums.
    Until they disclose their financials they can tell you that they are losing money without having to prove it. Atlanta is the only team that has to disclose their numbers since they are a publicly traded stock now.
    I can't wait to hear teams cry about having a floor for payroll and they claim they can't afford to get their payroll to say, 80 million. If that is the case force them to either sell the team or comply. With all the revenue sharing and all other sources of income teams bring in I can't see how any team can't do that.
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    Dman reacted to terrydactyls in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    That is satire? Right?  If not, multiply it by four and add in parking and food, and you get a cost for a family of four of $100 to $150.  That's a steep price for many families.
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    Dman reacted to terrydactyls in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    A former player's rep was on MLB radio yesterday explaining how the lockout is just standard practice and doesn't mean anything.  He also said that the primary issue keeping a new agreement signed is that the revenue split right now is about 57% to 43% with the players on the low side.  The players want the split to be 50-50.  I was thinking about that yesterday and came to the conclusion that 50-50 seems unreasonable.  How does baseball work?  One side (the owners) insures that there are players to fill out the team, a place to play, a means to travel from series to series, pays salaries, pays office staff, pays stadium personnel, assumes any financial risks involved with the business, and any other overhead costs.  The other side (the players) play a game most of us played as kids.  A 50-50 split in revenue seems to me to be ridiculous.  Now before everyone jumps all over me for defending greedy billionaires, I just want to say I hate what they have done to the game.  Their lack of forethought, planning, and fiscal restraint has raised the cost of going to a game for a non-wealthy family to levels most cannot (or are not willing to) pay.  That greed has ruined the game.
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    Dman reacted to Don't Feed the Greed Guy in Owners' Lockout? Fans Must Boycott   
    Major League owners have decided to lock out major league baseball players. This ill-timed act—in the teeth of a pandemic—violates a sacred oath with fans, players, and the gods of baseball. The thirty principal franchise owners, from Arturo Moreno to William DeWitt Jr., have cast aside a basic social contract with America. This contract has been written on behalf of every little league team, every single-mom playing catch with her kid in a neighborhood park, and every homebound elder, who tempers his or her 365-day reality of soul-crushing loneliness by tuning in to 162 islands of comfort in that sea of misery. I couldn’t count how many times I’ve visited a church member in our local nursing home. The Twins game is on the TV, and before sharing homebound Holy Communion and prayer, we watch an inning or two.
    A little over twenty-five years ago I as a young, idealistic preacher, fresh out of seminary, alongside another equally troubled preacher-friend. The strike of 1994-95 offended me so greatly that I stood outside the Metrodome on Opening Night with a sign over my shoulder that read “Don’t Feed the Greed.” I wore my Minnesota Twins cap in mourning. Columnists representing local and regional sports pages asked for my story. I told them that I would be taking a year off from Major League Baseball. I would still watch the kids from our church youth group play Legion ball in the summer, and take in a St. Paul Saints game, or two. But I was going to boycott major league baseball. I’d like to believe that many other Twins fans joined the scrum. Over a million fans still filed in and blew out the Metrodome doors, but Grandpa Carl’s franchise finished dead last in American League attendance—14th out of 14 teams—just four years removed from a World Series title.
    Twenty-five years later, I am a season-ticket holder, albeit just the 20-Game Flex Pack. I travel down to Fort Myers Beach each spring for a week or two of games, and I have brought many church groups to Target Field. My greatest pleasure has been bringing Ojibwe youth from the Leech Lake and White Earth Reservations to Target Field, as the elders and I tell stories of Charles Albert Bender, member of the White Earth Band and first Minnesotan enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame. He was “Moneyball” generations before Michael Lewis and Brad Pitt made their millions off the game. Connie Mack called Bender his money pitcher as the Philadelphia Athletics won the World Series in 1919,1911, and 1913. Said Mack, “If everything depended on one game, I just used Albert – the greatest money pitcher of all time.”
    Baseball was Bender’s ticket out of Carlisle Indian Industrial School in Philadelphia. He and thousands of other Native children were uprooted from their culture during the Boarding School Era. Bender was moved from northern Minnesota to Philadelphia during the onset of this ugly chapter in American history. Many Native children, relocated from their homes, are still buried in the Carlisle cemetery. Bender was lucky. Back home in Minnesota he fed his family by throwing rocks at squirrels and partridge. At Carlisle, his well-honed skills caught the eye of renowned football innovator Glenn “Pop” Warner. Warner was also the baseball coach.
    The owners’ decision to lock out players from major league facilities is not about billionaires vs. millionaires. It’s about international players signed out of impoverished places like some hillside village in the Dominican Republic who have been locked out Major League facilities like our Twins training fields and dormitories in Fort Myers. Owners have already contracted their minor league platform, eliminating entire leagues in order to maximize profits. The owners’ decision locks out the modern-day Albert Benders of our nation and world.
     The return to baseball was also a reprieve from the gut punch of a global pandemic. In the spring of 2020 I spent two weeks in a cottage on Fort Myers Beach. My son, who had just been named the captain of his high school baseball team, was joining me. I picked him up at the airport on Thursday March 12. We had tickets to see the Twins play Baltimore later that night. From the airport, we grabbed an early supper, and headed to the ballpark. The day games had already been played throughout the Grapefruit League. We arrived at Hammond Stadium expecting to pay for our parking and make our way through the turnstiles. The gate attendants let us through. “Parking is free tonight. We are waiting for an announcement. Go to the main gate and someone will let you know whether there will be a game, or not.”
    We parked. My son grabbed his glove from his carry-on, hoping to catch a foul ball. We waited half an hour outside the park before a Twins official came out to announce that the Orioles team bus had turned around and was headed back north to Sarasota. The game had been cancelled. The season was almost scrapped too, as owners and players haggled over how to salvage the 2020 season. Once again, Management outmaneuvered Labor.
    Our family enjoyed the 2021 season, with our Flex 20 package. One of our first public outings was when we could safely watch a game from the third deck behind home plate. The seats next to us were zip-tied shut. We had to wear masks, but it was so good to be outside and around other fans. I believe that our collective mental and social health was increased by outings like an afternoon or evening at Target Field. To remove that opportunity during this present crisis is a violation of that social contract I referenced above. In a nutshell, a social contract is made when members of a society cooperate with one another for the good of all.
    If the owners and major league players—Management and Labor—violate that contract with their fans—their consumers—there is only one option—boycott baseball if-and-when the game comes back to us. The 2022 season may likely be delayed or stopped because of the decision made by the owners to lock out their bread and butter—the most gifted baseball players on the planet.
    To this end, baseball is a meritocracy—the greatest players offer the highest level of skill and entertainment. But if the opportunity to see those talents on display is taken from me, I will spend a season or two watching independent ball, our local high school team, or travelling to places like the East Coast to watch the Cape Cod League.
    The gods of baseball don’t only show up at Target Field, there are other places to “worship.” I use that word with some hesitation, so I beg your pardon. My wish is not to offend. Yet I am not the first to compare a cathedral with a ballpark. Hebrew scholars define the Garden of Eden as a walled greens space. Sounds like a ballpark to me.
    Heaven is about returning to that walled space, again and again. I am heartened by the deal that Twins management and labor struck with the signing of Byron Buxton earlier this week. Byron has made it all the way around the bases and has found his home among us.
    “This is our home. For my kids, they’re a part of Minnesota. We can put our boys through school and not really have to worry about it. I love the city. I love the fans. I love the organization. They were the first ones that gave me a chance to become who I am today. So, for me, there’s a lot of loyalty to this. That’s how I was raised.”
    Buxton’s quote reminded me of A. Bartlett Giamatti’s eloquent summary of the game, comparing Odysseus’ treacherous journey home from the Trojan War. Each island peril is baseball’s equivalent of base and basepath. The destination is home:
    Baseball is about homecoming. It is a journey by theft and strength, guile and speed, out around first to the far island of second, where foes lurk in the reefs and the green sea suddenly grows deeper, then to turn sharply, skimming the shallows, making for a shore that will show a friendly face, a color, a familiar language and, at third, to proceed, no longer by paths indirect but straight, to home. Baseball is about going home, and how hard it is to get there and how driven is our need. It tells us how good home is. Its wisdom says you can go home again but that you cannot stay. The journey must always start once more, the bat an oar over the shoulder, until there is an end to all journeying. Nostos; the going home; the game of nostalgia, so apt an image for our hunger that it hurts.
    Ballplayers and their fans have been locked out of our home. Capricious owners stand behind the chained gates of their exclusive cathedrals. They believe that if this lockout keeps on, we will forgive and forget. Let’s not give them that satisfaction.
    Owners, get back to the negotiating table. Put a moratorium on the lockout. How many kids spend more of their gross income on baseball cards than owners spend on their exclusive hobby? We had a hard time forgiving you in 1995. Do you really think we’ll be more eager to return for $10 beers and $50 tickets this time around? You are looking for a better deal. But here's deal--this is not just a financial transaction. It's a social contract--one that you have violated. This one’s on you.
     
     
     
     
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    Dman reacted to beckmt in Rob Manfred's Public Arguments Framing the MLBPA's Desires As Harmful to Fans Make Little Sense   
    Too win the players , there has to be a floor, but MLB must force out the bad owner(s) (Pittsburg, Cleveland) and fix the stadium situations (Oakland, TB).  Then you could afford a floor of like $100, and a hard cap around $225 million.  Increase revenue sharing, but insist the money be spent (not put in the owners profits).  
    All you are doing now is squeezing the marginal decent major league player (like programming, you can always find someone cheaper to do 90% of the same work as the player replaced).  If you balance the money clubs have to spend (which floor and cap could be closer, but probably would not sell that to the owners), you at least give the lower clubs a chance to compete, not need lightning strikes or very good player development and management (like TB).  
    Doubt any of this will happen, my guess is the mid level and lower level players will fold as spring training nears and they become concerned for their jobs.  
     
    Hope I am wrong.
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    Dman reacted to nicksaviking in Rob Manfred's Public Arguments Framing the MLBPA's Desires As Harmful to Fans Make Little Sense   
    The MLBPA is ONLY asking to reduce revenue sharing because overall, clubs are not spending what they should be on player salaries.
    If the owners get together, agree to be transparent with their books and as a whole work with the MLBPA on what percentage of revenue should be allotted to the players, the MLBPA wouldn’t care how the revenue is shared.
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    Dman reacted to tony&rodney in How much did MLB players make?   
    I would think this would be attractive to many players. Even make it $1/$2/$4. I would add that any player put on the 40 man roster  should be at at $500 thousand.  For sure, this is complicated. The general idea is to put more money into those first years. 
    A CBA that only benefitted the highest paid players without creating better salary for the younger players would be disappointing. Higher pay for those in their first five years would also create more opportunities for experienced fringe players to maintain positions. The current system slides a $600 k player into a slot that might be better held by a veteran at $3-5 million. 
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    Dman reacted to Brock Beauchamp in How much did MLB players make?   
    And also, there is a huge fight being waged over what is revenue. Over the past decade, owners have discovered that building huge multiplex facilities around the stadium reap huge rewards but don’t want to share that revenue. It’s a common theme in baseball over the past 50 years; owners claim every new revenue stream is outside the scope of baseball, players rightfully disagree. 
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    Dman reacted to Major League Ready in How much did MLB players make?   
    Their demands demonstrate they either don't understand the impact of their demands on the game or they don't care.  I was listening to MLB radio today.  To sum up what they said ... What the players say they want to promote is not consistent with what they have proposed.  Taking $100M for revenue sharing is not in the best interest of the game.  They obviously don't care.  They want to put the money back in the big market where they believe it will be spent.  A much better solution is to create a floor.  An even better solution would be to send any difference between the floor and actual back to the players, specifically prearb players.  Their complaint is the money is not being spent.  This not only assures it's spent but that also solves another issue of getting more to players early in their career.
    5 years of control is also bad for the game.  It's most detrimental to the smallest markets.  It's also certain such a policy would increase supply which would counter the financial gain they hope to create.   It certainly does not appear they have considered the impact of these policies.  They believe it will be financially advantageous.  Therefore, they are fighting for it.  The irony is that what they want would ultimately hurt the game which will in turn hurt players income long-term. 
    Let's keep in mind that the policies of MLB and their promotion of the league has made MLB players the beneficiaries of the most prolonged / astronomical pay increase seen in any industry for any group of individuals ever.  Look at the spending the last month and how can we come to the conclusion the current system does not provide enormous opportunity for players.  They do need to pay more to prearb players.  They could do something along the lines of $1M / $1.5M / $2M for the 1st 3 years.  Plus, institute the floor with proceeds to prearb players
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    Dman reacted to tony&rodney in How much did MLB players make?   
    The two sides are playing with their pride, especially the owners. There is room for negotiation on many issues. MLB total attendance peaked in 2007 with nearly 80 million in attendance and has since declined by 11 million customers. The game still enjoys widespread support and generates massive revenues that result in large salaries for a number of players and great wealth for the owners. A number of issues should be resolved that might include some of the following: a salary of $500,000 for all on 40 man roster, minimum of $1 million for those on 25 man roster, limits of years of control (reduce by one year from current system), attention to pace of game, percentage of player pay near 52-55% (it has been higher), and focus on growth of the game.
    A strike would be problematic for many players but also cost the owners mightily. In consideration of franchise values and player salaries, the game has blossomed. Lawsuits could be potentially ruinous and possibly lead to the owners losing their anti-trust exemption. The old boys club won't lose a single Martini if they loosen their current grip and focus to a wider distribution of salaries among the players, including throwing a meatier bone to milb players (I know they are not part of MLBPA). When the game grows, the owners benefit more than anyone else. Current language is poor by both parties but the pride of control by the owners needs to step aside to increase their own wealth.
    Just wondering - When was the last time an MLB franchise declared bankruptcy? 
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    Dman reacted to Major League Ready in How much did MLB players make?   
    I don't give a crap about them either.  What I do care about is parity, the health of the game and our team being able to compete.  Shorter control will no doubt hurt the game and the players don't give a crap about the game or the fans in mid and small markets who will lose them even earlier.  Their interest is in getting more money which leads to an interesting question.  Will the owners really payout more because players become FAs earlier.  Is that going to change their budget?  All it will do is give the large market teams an additional year with many of the top FAs.
    What they should so is put in a salary floor like the NBA.  I believe NBA teams payout the difference in the floor to players.  What MLB should do is split any amount under the floor among all the prearb players in the league.  I don't know how you magically get FAs to go to Baltimore the last couple years so require them to distribute the difference to the lowest income players.  Also, raise minimum salaries to at least $750K or perhaps $750/850/1M for the 1st 3 years.  
    I would also quit paying out huge draft bonuses.  They have not earned anything yet and if they prove to be great the pay will be there at the ML level.  Instead make the top bonus $1M and decrease every pick by something like .5% until you get down to 25 or 30K.  Then, use all that left over money to increase Milb pay.  The available funds would provide roughly $60K additional to all Milb players.  They could have a 70K/80K/90K/100K progression through the Milb levels.
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    Dman reacted to Major League Ready in How much did MLB players make?   
    Part of this was a tying error.  I would not make sense to say luckily the Twins are far below.  I meant to say luckily they are not too far below average.  However, the market size argument that is made so frequently is misguided.  Market size does not pay the bills, revenue is all that matters.  St. Louis is a smaller market yet they produce 25% more revenue.  Miami is a much larger market and they produce less revenue.
    If you want to believe the revenue advantage Boston / LA / NY / etc has does not impact the ability to attract and pay for free agents you are welcome to that opinion.  I guess you would not like your income to double because it would not make any difference.  However, the history of free agency very clearly points in a different direction but go ahead a stick to that theory.
    I have no idea what you are talking about with 2019 revenue.  The Twins had $300M in 2019 and the Brewers $295M.  The had nearly identical payrolls.  However, one year fails to paint an accurate picture.  The Twins averaged $120M from 2017-19 and the Brewers averaged $72M.  It also does not make sense to just compare 1 year of the Rangers when they had 3 sub 500years in a row.  
    The revenue numbers include revenue sharing so I am not sure how you can make a case that revenue sharing makes up for the revenue disparity.  Really, arguing that teams with 100, 200 even 300M in incremental revenue don't have a distinct advantage is an absurd argument.
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    Dman reacted to Major League Ready in How much did MLB players make?   
    It will hurt any team in the bottom half or revenue.  Luckily, the twins are too far below average.  The owners already offered more than I thought they would with the model they presented.  I don't see them going further because it would be bad for the game to further an already decided advantage that the larger markets have in signing free agents.  I don't think that advantage is fair at all.  I also think MLB players are among the most fortunate group of employees  in the history of mankind.  Had the average American's pay grown at the same rate over the past 50 years, Average Household Income would be $3.2M.  It would say their deal in general is most fortunate.  
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    Dman reacted to Mike Sixel in How much did MLB players make?   
    Well, we can look at how revenues have climbed faster than salaries, and realize players should make  more......
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    Dman got a reaction from Major League Ready in Rob Manfred's Public Arguments Framing the MLBPA's Desires As Harmful to Fans Make Little Sense   
    I don't think it makes negotiations tougher lets be honest the owners hold all the cards here.  They can hold out forever and move to use MiLB players.  The players are not going to risk losing all that money over a strike.  It won't work and the owners will come out ahead one way or another.  Players will start to cave one by one.   There is too much at stake especially for the highest paid players.
    Personally I am pissed at the players union and hope their lawyer has to choke on his proposal.  He doesn't have the best interests of baseball in mind.  If I was a revenue sharing team I would propose major league baseball buy me out for market value and take 1 billion in salary off the books for all of baseball and see what kind of win the players get.  Let them lose hundreds of jobs and lose millions of fans because his proposal does half of the teams no good.  They might as well not exist and if he thinks less competition for players is a good thing then he has to be one of the biggest fools alive.  If he wanted to make the players look bad he has done an excellent job. No one in their right mind could come to the conclusion that what the players are proposing is good for the teams or the players.  This guy is dumber than a rock.
    If the players association lawyer was trying to find a way to make the game more competitive for all that is something I could get behind as a fan but personally I hope he chokes on this proposal.  He has me on the side of the owners right now and I hope most baseball fans see him for the clown he is.  
     
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    Dman got a reaction from Major League Ready in Rob Manfred's Public Arguments Framing the MLBPA's Desires As Harmful to Fans Make Little Sense   
    I don't love the owners either and I agree with you that this is about money for both sides.  To me it looks like the players union is cozying up to the richer more powerful teams owners as this proposal benefits them as it weakens their competition and strengthens their pocket book.  The owners of the top 10 to 15 revenue generating teams have nothing to fear in this proposal absolutely nothing. 
    The bottom 10 teams have much more to lose. As a fan of actually one the better lower end teams it stinks that we can't compete in the FA market.  How many revenue sharing teams came out with the winning bid for one of the big FA signings this year?  Any?  I can't think of one.  Things are skewed enough as it is and they expect us as fans to hang onto hope every year?  The players association wants to make my team even less competitive?  Yeah they will never have me on their side with proposals like this, never.
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