jdgoin

I like how you compare analytics to the Boogeyman. I think for people in the game who don't truly understand how analytics can be integrated  that's what it becomes. Some mysterious decision maker. The goal of sports analytics isn't to make a decision. 
The first thing a good analytics program should do is help save decision makers time. It does this by making necessary information easily and readily available.
Second, a good analytics department will provide unique insight. The amount of information out there for GMs, etc., has become impossibly wide and deep to wade through. 
In the end, these models don't make decisions. They support the decision-making process with unique and hopefully more accurate input. But blame it on the Boogeyman if you don't agree with the decision.
Plus, nobody even mentions the Blue Jays didn't score a run in that game. Making it impossible for them win, no matter what pitching decisions were made.

I like how you compare analytics to the Boogeyman. I think for people in the game who don't truly understand how analytics can be integrated  that's what it becomes. Some mysterious decision maker. The goal of sports analytics isn't to make a decision. 
The first thing a good analytics program should do is help save decision makers time. It does this by making necessary information easily and readily available.
Second, a good analytics department will provide unique insight. The amount of information out there for GMs, etc., has become impossibly wide and deep to wade through. 
In the end, these models don't make decisions. They support the decision-making process with unique and hopefully more accurate input. But blame it on the Boogeyman if you don't agree with the decision.
Plus, nobody even mentions the Blue Jays didn't score a run in that game. Making it impossible for them win, no matter what pitching decisions were made.

I like how you compare analytics to the Boogeyman. I think for people in the game who don't truly understand how analytics can be integrated  that's what it becomes. Some mysterious decision maker. The goal of sports analytics isn't to make a decision. 
The first thing a good analytics program should do is help save decision makers time. It does this by making necessary information easily and readily available.
Second, a good analytics department will provide unique insight. The amount of information out there for GMs, etc., has become impossibly wide and deep to wade through. 
In the end, these models don't make decisions. They support the decision-making process with unique and hopefully more accurate input. But blame it on the Boogeyman if you don't agree with the decision.
Plus, nobody even mentions the Blue Jays didn't score a run in that game. Making it impossible for them win, no matter what pitching decisions were made.

I like how you compare analytics to the Boogeyman. I think for people in the game who don't truly understand how analytics can be integrated  that's what it becomes. Some mysterious decision maker. The goal of sports analytics isn't to make a decision. 
The first thing a good analytics program should do is help save decision makers time. It does this by making necessary information easily and readily available.
Second, a good analytics department will provide unique insight. The amount of information out there for GMs, etc., has become impossibly wide and deep to wade through. 
In the end, these models don't make decisions. They support the decision-making process with unique and hopefully more accurate input. But blame it on the Boogeyman if you don't agree with the decision.
Plus, nobody even mentions the Blue Jays didn't score a run in that game. Making it impossible for them win, no matter what pitching decisions were made.

I'm not sure the Sonny Gray market is going to be overly robust. While I'm guessing he turns down the QO, I'm not sure about a lengthy deal, high dollar deal. In the end somebody probably gives him fewer years and a high dollar amount. But you have a 34 year old pitcher with a long injury history. He essentially put up the same numbers in 2023 as he has throughout his career. The big difference this past season was fewer HRs and more innings because of health. His other metrics are all very similar to his career numbers. K%, BB%, SwStr%, F-Strike%, etc. do not indicate to me that there is more in the tank. The addition of the cutter certainly helped with RHH but I think you're looking at more of a #3 starter than a top of the rotation guy.

I'm not sure the Sonny Gray market is going to be overly robust. While I'm guessing he turns down the QO, I'm not sure about a lengthy deal, high dollar deal. In the end somebody probably gives him fewer years and a high dollar amount. But you have a 34 year old pitcher with a long injury history. He essentially put up the same numbers in 2023 as he has throughout his career. The big difference this past season was fewer HRs and more innings because of health. His other metrics are all very similar to his career numbers. K%, BB%, SwStr%, F-Strike%, etc. do not indicate to me that there is more in the tank. The addition of the cutter certainly helped with RHH but I think you're looking at more of a #3 starter than a top of the rotation guy.

I'm not sure the Sonny Gray market is going to be overly robust. While I'm guessing he turns down the QO, I'm not sure about a lengthy deal, high dollar deal. In the end somebody probably gives him fewer years and a high dollar amount. But you have a 34 year old pitcher with a long injury history. He essentially put up the same numbers in 2023 as he has throughout his career. The big difference this past season was fewer HRs and more innings because of health. His other metrics are all very similar to his career numbers. K%, BB%, SwStr%, F-Strike%, etc. do not indicate to me that there is more in the tank. The addition of the cutter certainly helped with RHH but I think you're looking at more of a #3 starter than a top of the rotation guy.

Tingler didn't say anything of any consequence. They have at least 6 people on top of the coaching staff to help with disseminating information and put together game plans. I would believe some combo of Derek and/or Thad are talking with them multiple times per day. Many front office staff are now meeting the manager/coaches before and after the game. The manager and front office is more of a partnership now than it has ever been in most orgs.

Tingler didn't say anything of any consequence. They have at least 6 people on top of the coaching staff to help with disseminating information and put together game plans. I would believe some combo of Derek and/or Thad are talking with them multiple times per day. Many front office staff are now meeting the manager/coaches before and after the game. The manager and front office is more of a partnership now than it has ever been in most orgs.

Just a quick look at Miller's offense this year. No video or anything. There is more in the bat I think. He may be striking out a little too much for his future offensive production. His XBH/H% increased 10% points from 2022. There may be a little more power in there as he continues to mature & figure out what pitches he can drive. Combine that with high-level SS defense & you usually have a pretty good decent player.

Just a quick look at Miller's offense this year. No video or anything. There is more in the bat I think. He may be striking out a little too much for his future offensive production. His XBH/H% increased 10% points from 2022. There may be a little more power in there as he continues to mature & figure out what pitches he can drive. Combine that with high-level SS defense & you usually have a pretty good decent player.

Just a quick look at Miller's offense this year. No video or anything. There is more in the bat I think. He may be striking out a little too much for his future offensive production. His XBH/H% increased 10% points from 2022. There may be a little more power in there as he continues to mature & figure out what pitches he can drive. Combine that with high-level SS defense & you usually have a pretty good decent player.

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In theory you don't want too many platoons. You want everyday players, which we know isn't always possible. Platooning should be to fill a hole and stretch resources. Not necessarily how you write out 1 through 9.

In theory you don't want too many platoons. You want everyday players, which we know isn't always possible. Platooning should be to fill a hole and stretch resources. Not necessarily how you write out 1 through 9.

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In about 2013 I had made out lineups for Gardy vs L & vs R based on projected wOBA splits. Against RHP I had Morneau like 3rd or 4th. He was one of our best hitters vs RH based on projected wOBA. But against lefties I'm not sure he cracked the top 9, but I still put him like 7th based out of respect for Justin and knowing not having him in the lineup wasn't going to go well.
Gardy and I talked about the lineups and he noticed Morenau in the 7 slot. He told me if I hit him 7th against lefties, I'll lose him against RH as well. It was something to think about. There is always more going on in a clubhouse than anybody knows. 

In theory you don't want too many platoons. You want everyday players, which we know isn't always possible. Platooning should be to fill a hole and stretch resources. Not necessarily how you write out 1 through 9.

This. Exactly.

You're correct. Because analytics are not trying to measure the human element. Player makeup is someone else's job in a player evaluation/valuation. Analytics are like 1/5th of an evaluation.

Batting average was created to determine how often a player got a hit per at-bat. It really was made to measure the quality of a hitter.