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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Jerr in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Before I begin this discussion, I might be slightly biased because Johan Santana is my favorite player of all time. He's who I wanted to be growing up and I never missed one of his starts. I will always remember where I was during his 17 strikeout game against the Rangers. I'll never forget how sad 8 year old me was when he was traded in the 2008 offseason. He was a huge part of my childhood and one of the best pitchers in Twins history. Now, why was Johan not inducted into Cooperstown?
Starting with his accolades, he was a 2x Cy Young winner (we'll talk about 2005 later in this post), the triple crown winner in 2006, 4x All-Star, 3x ERA title winner, and won a Gold Glove. He accumulated 51.7 WAR according to Baseball Reference, had a career 3.20 ERA over 2025.2 innings, with 1988 strikeouts, and a 1.132 WHIP. Obviously, a crazy good prime and list of accolades. His career was cut short due to injury which is the biggest argument as to why he doesn't have a plaque in New York. Now, let's talk about the reason why he isn't in Cooperstown, the 2005 season.
Most people are aware of what happened in the 2005 Cy Young race, but let's vent about it some more. Bartolo Colon won the 2005 AL Cy Young over Johan Santana, who finished third with Mariano Rivera coming in second. Bartolo Colon led the league in one category: pitcher wins. Johan led the league in strikeouts, ERA+, FIP, and WHIP. Let's compare the two's statistics from that season:
Colon ERA: 3.48, Santana ERA: 2.87
Colon IP: 222.2, Santana IP: 231.2
Colon SO: 157, Santana SO: 238
Colon ERA+: 122, Santana ERA+: 155
Colon FIP: 3.55, Santana FIP: 2.80
Colon WHIP: 1.159, Santana WHIP: 0.971
As we can see, the 2005 Cy Young clearly should've belonged to Johan Santana. This means that he should've been a 3 time Cy Young winner, with those being 3 straight from 2004-06. This is very important because every 3 time Cy Young Award winner is either in the Hall of Fame now, or will be in the Hall of Fame once they are retired. So, although Johan's career was a little shorter than other Hall of Famers, it's impossible to argue with the 3 should've been Cy Young Awards. Johan Santana should be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
Thank you for reading! Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford for more Twins discussion.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Heiny in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
That's our only hope is through the writers! Really hoping that he gets the recognition that he deserves.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Heiny in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Absolutely. I think at the least he should still be on the ballet. Crazy to me that he went one and done. I still believe he should get in and he absolutely would've gotten in if not for 2005.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Heiny in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Couldn't agree more! There's definitely been some questionable inductions in history and unfortunately I think this is one of the bigger mistakes.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Heiny in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Before I begin this discussion, I might be slightly biased because Johan Santana is my favorite player of all time. He's who I wanted to be growing up and I never missed one of his starts. I will always remember where I was during his 17 strikeout game against the Rangers. I'll never forget how sad 8 year old me was when he was traded in the 2008 offseason. He was a huge part of my childhood and one of the best pitchers in Twins history. Now, why was Johan not inducted into Cooperstown?
Starting with his accolades, he was a 2x Cy Young winner (we'll talk about 2005 later in this post), the triple crown winner in 2006, 4x All-Star, 3x ERA title winner, and won a Gold Glove. He accumulated 51.7 WAR according to Baseball Reference, had a career 3.20 ERA over 2025.2 innings, with 1988 strikeouts, and a 1.132 WHIP. Obviously, a crazy good prime and list of accolades. His career was cut short due to injury which is the biggest argument as to why he doesn't have a plaque in New York. Now, let's talk about the reason why he isn't in Cooperstown, the 2005 season.
Most people are aware of what happened in the 2005 Cy Young race, but let's vent about it some more. Bartolo Colon won the 2005 AL Cy Young over Johan Santana, who finished third with Mariano Rivera coming in second. Bartolo Colon led the league in one category: pitcher wins. Johan led the league in strikeouts, ERA+, FIP, and WHIP. Let's compare the two's statistics from that season:
Colon ERA: 3.48, Santana ERA: 2.87
Colon IP: 222.2, Santana IP: 231.2
Colon SO: 157, Santana SO: 238
Colon ERA+: 122, Santana ERA+: 155
Colon FIP: 3.55, Santana FIP: 2.80
Colon WHIP: 1.159, Santana WHIP: 0.971
As we can see, the 2005 Cy Young clearly should've belonged to Johan Santana. This means that he should've been a 3 time Cy Young winner, with those being 3 straight from 2004-06. This is very important because every 3 time Cy Young Award winner is either in the Hall of Fame now, or will be in the Hall of Fame once they are retired. So, although Johan's career was a little shorter than other Hall of Famers, it's impossible to argue with the 3 should've been Cy Young Awards. Johan Santana should be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
Thank you for reading! Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford for more Twins discussion.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Minny505 in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Taylor is better in the outfield than he is in the infield according to UZR, OAA, and DRS. But he would serve a super utility role when injuries happen. I also think Arraez will be at 3B often to keep Donaldson healthy, and we will see Donaldon DH much more often.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Minny505 in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
The Twins have a very interesting outfield core. On paper, they probably have one of the deepest groups of outfielders in the league. But, looking at this season the Twins used 11 different outfielders to combine for 0.1 bWAR combined. That ranked 13th in the entire league. Obviously a disappointing season all around, but especially when it comes to outfield production that was supposed to be so good. Now there's a lot of questions to be answered this offseason when it comes to who should be starting in the outfield, contract extensions, and prospects.
The number one question that needs to be answered in the outfield is Max Kepler. He had an outstanding 2019 season in which he slashed .252/.336/.519(!!) and hit 36 home runs. But was that season just an outlier because of the juiced balls? Kepler's next highest SLG% compared to 2019 was .439, his next highest home run total is 20, and next highest OPS to his .855 in 2019 was .760 in the shortened 2020 season. Now we wouldn't be fairly taking about Max without talking about his elite defense in right field. Kepler ranked 2nd amongst all right fielder's in OAA in since 2016. The underlying question is: what should be done with Kepler? Trade? Hope that he'll come back to 2019 Max? Let's not forget about the six year extension that the Twins signed him to before the 2019 season worth $7 million AAV. This is why I don't think the Twins should trade him. Even if he hits to a roughly league average 98 OPS+ like he did in 2021, he still has that top tier defense that is well worth the money that the Twins are giving him. I do think that he is a better hitter than what he showed this year, and should be the Twins starting right fielder for years to come.
There's been a lot of excellent articles written on Byron Buxton and I will refer you to Mahlk's article if you want to get into contract specifics. In short, the Twins should pay whatever to lock him up for the next 5-7 years. There is no player in baseball like Buxton, and when healthy he is a MVP candidate.
This really just leaves open the left field position. This is tough because there are so many candidates for the position. Arraez was the primary left fielder in 2021, Brent Rooker was also used out there while Arraez spent time at third base, Nick Gordon played there, Kirilloff also rotated in his very short 2021 season. There's also the potential of Trevor Larnach, and even top prospects that have been spending more time in the outfield like Royce Lewis and newly acquired Austin Martin. Even thought the Twins have all of these options, there is also the possibility of free agency for that left field spot. That's where I think the Twins should go.
Chris Taylor should be the Twins primary left fielder in the 2022 season. Taylor has hit at an above league average rate every year since 2017, according to OPS+. He is an extremely durable player, which the Twins could certainly use, and can play anywhere in the field. He would be an incredible utility player that can fill in anywhere when needed. This would work perfectly for the Twins because we saw many injuries last year, and depth is always necessary for a team to be successful over a 162 game stretch. Taylor would be perfect for a one to two year bridge until Royce Lewis and Austin Martin are ready to take the league by storm. I think the Twins would be able to get him somewhere in the $12-14 million AAV range.
As always, let me know what you think the Twins outfield situation should look like for the 2022 season. Thank you for reading!
Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford if you want to talk anything Twins, or baseball in general.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from TopGunn#22 in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Jake Cave was probably the second worst hitter on the team in 2021. He should be non-tendered this offseason. Buxton and Kepler are two of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. Plugging someone in left field with not great fielding wouldn't be the worst thing because of the other two we have in the outfield. There are plenty of Rosario in-house replacements: Rooker, Larnach, Kirilloff, Gordon, Celestino, Martin, Lewis.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from darwin22 in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Jake Cave was probably the second worst hitter on the team in 2021. He should be non-tendered this offseason. Buxton and Kepler are two of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. Plugging someone in left field with not great fielding wouldn't be the worst thing because of the other two we have in the outfield. There are plenty of Rosario in-house replacements: Rooker, Larnach, Kirilloff, Gordon, Celestino, Martin, Lewis.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Major League Ready in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
I wouldn't want Taylor for more than two years either. If he wants 3+ then I would completely be out on him. Taylor isn't about recency bias, he's been very solid for the last four or five years. Marwin had one good year with the Astros, and it seemed the only reason he was good is because he knew what pitch was coming. I think Chris Taylor would start at SS but would end up playing all around the field when injuries happen, which is what makes him so valuable.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Andrew Mahlke in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
The Twins have a very interesting outfield core. On paper, they probably have one of the deepest groups of outfielders in the league. But, looking at this season the Twins used 11 different outfielders to combine for 0.1 bWAR combined. That ranked 13th in the entire league. Obviously a disappointing season all around, but especially when it comes to outfield production that was supposed to be so good. Now there's a lot of questions to be answered this offseason when it comes to who should be starting in the outfield, contract extensions, and prospects.
The number one question that needs to be answered in the outfield is Max Kepler. He had an outstanding 2019 season in which he slashed .252/.336/.519(!!) and hit 36 home runs. But was that season just an outlier because of the juiced balls? Kepler's next highest SLG% compared to 2019 was .439, his next highest home run total is 20, and next highest OPS to his .855 in 2019 was .760 in the shortened 2020 season. Now we wouldn't be fairly taking about Max without talking about his elite defense in right field. Kepler ranked 2nd amongst all right fielder's in OAA in since 2016. The underlying question is: what should be done with Kepler? Trade? Hope that he'll come back to 2019 Max? Let's not forget about the six year extension that the Twins signed him to before the 2019 season worth $7 million AAV. This is why I don't think the Twins should trade him. Even if he hits to a roughly league average 98 OPS+ like he did in 2021, he still has that top tier defense that is well worth the money that the Twins are giving him. I do think that he is a better hitter than what he showed this year, and should be the Twins starting right fielder for years to come.
There's been a lot of excellent articles written on Byron Buxton and I will refer you to Mahlk's article if you want to get into contract specifics. In short, the Twins should pay whatever to lock him up for the next 5-7 years. There is no player in baseball like Buxton, and when healthy he is a MVP candidate.
This really just leaves open the left field position. This is tough because there are so many candidates for the position. Arraez was the primary left fielder in 2021, Brent Rooker was also used out there while Arraez spent time at third base, Nick Gordon played there, Kirilloff also rotated in his very short 2021 season. There's also the potential of Trevor Larnach, and even top prospects that have been spending more time in the outfield like Royce Lewis and newly acquired Austin Martin. Even thought the Twins have all of these options, there is also the possibility of free agency for that left field spot. That's where I think the Twins should go.
Chris Taylor should be the Twins primary left fielder in the 2022 season. Taylor has hit at an above league average rate every year since 2017, according to OPS+. He is an extremely durable player, which the Twins could certainly use, and can play anywhere in the field. He would be an incredible utility player that can fill in anywhere when needed. This would work perfectly for the Twins because we saw many injuries last year, and depth is always necessary for a team to be successful over a 162 game stretch. Taylor would be perfect for a one to two year bridge until Royce Lewis and Austin Martin are ready to take the league by storm. I think the Twins would be able to get him somewhere in the $12-14 million AAV range.
As always, let me know what you think the Twins outfield situation should look like for the 2022 season. Thank you for reading!
Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford if you want to talk anything Twins, or baseball in general.
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Zach Hartford reacted to Brock Beauchamp in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Oh there's a ton more value than just the .200 batting average but he should be so much better than he has been the past two seasons if he could find a way to increase that BABIP from abysmally low to merely kinda bad.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from jmlease1 in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Jake Cave was probably the second worst hitter on the team in 2021. He should be non-tendered this offseason. Buxton and Kepler are two of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. Plugging someone in left field with not great fielding wouldn't be the worst thing because of the other two we have in the outfield. There are plenty of Rosario in-house replacements: Rooker, Larnach, Kirilloff, Gordon, Celestino, Martin, Lewis.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Richie the Rally Goat in What should be done with the Twins outfield?
Taylor is better in the outfield than he is in the infield according to UZR, OAA, and DRS. But he would serve a super utility role when injuries happen. I also think Arraez will be at 3B often to keep Donaldson healthy, and we will see Donaldon DH much more often.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
My original argument falls back on the point that he should've won the 2005 Cy Young, and every pitcher that has won 3 Cy Young's is or will be in the HOF. He also pitched at an elite level for more than three years. From 2002-10 his worst ERA+ was 129. He was 3rd in Cy Young voting in 2008, in which he led the league in ERA and IP.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Awesome article! Really well broken down. That's the most outrageous part to me is the fact that he was a one and done on the ballot. I would understand more if he sat on the ballot for a while and didn't make it, but he was very overlooked.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
There's a lot more to statistics than just WAR. He led the league in almost every category for three years straight and should've won three straight Cy Young Awards. If he would've won it in 2005, then he would be in the HOF.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
I could definitely see that being the case. It's extremely silly but for some reason the market you play in does matter. Johan and Koufax aren't very comparable pitchers but their prime's were quite similar. They were both the best pitcher in baseball for multiple years. Koufax played in a big market in his prime, while Johan didn't.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
He had a 17 strikeout game with the Twins and threw a no hitter with the Mets. I would say those are pretty signature moments.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Playing on crappy teams definitely shouldn't factor into a HOF induction. Plenty of players that played for bad teams have gotten in. I believe that Cole Hamels also should have a good case of getting into the hall. Tough to take away someone's love for the game!
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
That's our only hope is through the writers! Really hoping that he gets the recognition that he deserves.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
He accumulated almost half of his WAR in that 3 season stretch! One of the most dominant and underrated primes ever.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from glunn in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Before I begin this discussion, I might be slightly biased because Johan Santana is my favorite player of all time. He's who I wanted to be growing up and I never missed one of his starts. I will always remember where I was during his 17 strikeout game against the Rangers. I'll never forget how sad 8 year old me was when he was traded in the 2008 offseason. He was a huge part of my childhood and one of the best pitchers in Twins history. Now, why was Johan not inducted into Cooperstown?
Starting with his accolades, he was a 2x Cy Young winner (we'll talk about 2005 later in this post), the triple crown winner in 2006, 4x All-Star, 3x ERA title winner, and won a Gold Glove. He accumulated 51.7 WAR according to Baseball Reference, had a career 3.20 ERA over 2025.2 innings, with 1988 strikeouts, and a 1.132 WHIP. Obviously, a crazy good prime and list of accolades. His career was cut short due to injury which is the biggest argument as to why he doesn't have a plaque in New York. Now, let's talk about the reason why he isn't in Cooperstown, the 2005 season.
Most people are aware of what happened in the 2005 Cy Young race, but let's vent about it some more. Bartolo Colon won the 2005 AL Cy Young over Johan Santana, who finished third with Mariano Rivera coming in second. Bartolo Colon led the league in one category: pitcher wins. Johan led the league in strikeouts, ERA+, FIP, and WHIP. Let's compare the two's statistics from that season:
Colon ERA: 3.48, Santana ERA: 2.87
Colon IP: 222.2, Santana IP: 231.2
Colon SO: 157, Santana SO: 238
Colon ERA+: 122, Santana ERA+: 155
Colon FIP: 3.55, Santana FIP: 2.80
Colon WHIP: 1.159, Santana WHIP: 0.971
As we can see, the 2005 Cy Young clearly should've belonged to Johan Santana. This means that he should've been a 3 time Cy Young winner, with those being 3 straight from 2004-06. This is very important because every 3 time Cy Young Award winner is either in the Hall of Fame now, or will be in the Hall of Fame once they are retired. So, although Johan's career was a little shorter than other Hall of Famers, it's impossible to argue with the 3 should've been Cy Young Awards. Johan Santana should be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
Thank you for reading! Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford for more Twins discussion.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from h2oface in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
Before I begin this discussion, I might be slightly biased because Johan Santana is my favorite player of all time. He's who I wanted to be growing up and I never missed one of his starts. I will always remember where I was during his 17 strikeout game against the Rangers. I'll never forget how sad 8 year old me was when he was traded in the 2008 offseason. He was a huge part of my childhood and one of the best pitchers in Twins history. Now, why was Johan not inducted into Cooperstown?
Starting with his accolades, he was a 2x Cy Young winner (we'll talk about 2005 later in this post), the triple crown winner in 2006, 4x All-Star, 3x ERA title winner, and won a Gold Glove. He accumulated 51.7 WAR according to Baseball Reference, had a career 3.20 ERA over 2025.2 innings, with 1988 strikeouts, and a 1.132 WHIP. Obviously, a crazy good prime and list of accolades. His career was cut short due to injury which is the biggest argument as to why he doesn't have a plaque in New York. Now, let's talk about the reason why he isn't in Cooperstown, the 2005 season.
Most people are aware of what happened in the 2005 Cy Young race, but let's vent about it some more. Bartolo Colon won the 2005 AL Cy Young over Johan Santana, who finished third with Mariano Rivera coming in second. Bartolo Colon led the league in one category: pitcher wins. Johan led the league in strikeouts, ERA+, FIP, and WHIP. Let's compare the two's statistics from that season:
Colon ERA: 3.48, Santana ERA: 2.87
Colon IP: 222.2, Santana IP: 231.2
Colon SO: 157, Santana SO: 238
Colon ERA+: 122, Santana ERA+: 155
Colon FIP: 3.55, Santana FIP: 2.80
Colon WHIP: 1.159, Santana WHIP: 0.971
As we can see, the 2005 Cy Young clearly should've belonged to Johan Santana. This means that he should've been a 3 time Cy Young winner, with those being 3 straight from 2004-06. This is very important because every 3 time Cy Young Award winner is either in the Hall of Fame now, or will be in the Hall of Fame once they are retired. So, although Johan's career was a little shorter than other Hall of Famers, it's impossible to argue with the 3 should've been Cy Young Awards. Johan Santana should be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
Thank you for reading! Follow me on twitter @zach_hartford for more Twins discussion.
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Zach Hartford got a reaction from Longdistancetwins in Why isn't Johan Santana in the Hall of Fame?
There's a lot more to statistics than just WAR. He led the league in almost every category for three years straight and should've won three straight Cy Young Awards. If he would've won it in 2005, then he would be in the HOF.