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  1. Poor, poor Bill James. Based on many of the comments here, it sounds like if the majority of TD readers had their way, they would go back in time and make Bill James "disappear"... I have been wondering for a long time why everybody seems to blame all of the bad things that happened this year on "Rocco's overreliance on analytics". Does he use analytics? Sure... so does everybody else in baseball (not to mention football, basketball, hockey, curling, and any other activity that analytics can give you an advantage). But why the attack on the analytics usage? More directly, why the attack on specific parts of his analytic usage? Defensive shifts General defensive placement Pinch hitting Lineups Defensive replacement All of these rely (to some degree) on advanced analytics. Rarely are any of these discussed here. The vitriol is always around pitching usage, but really seems to stem from Sonny Gray's complaining about not being allowed to go through the third time of the order and some relievers pitching poorly in the middle of the season. The problem with analytics is the same problem with everything else: it is not 100% accurate. But they do increase your chances. I remember the comments when Gardenhire was the manager: He never uses analytics!! The Twins are light years behind on metric usage!! How quickly the pendulum swings... Call me a Rocco apologist. That's fine. I have said many times before I have no clue if Rocco is a good manager. Too many variables the general public knows nothing about. What I would actually like to hear are logical arguments that Rocco's reliance on analytics actually cost the Twins games, not the emotional responses that come with the Twins collapsing.
    3 points
  2. Many towns have vied for the location of the famous Casey at Bat, but two have really gotten serious in this quest. The epic poem was written by Ernest Lawrence Thayer who published it in the San Francisco Examiner in 1888. The location in the poem is called Mudville, a name that had been attached to Stockton California during the Gold Rush. The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day: The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play, But this could not end this quickly or this cleanly, for Holliston, Massachusetts has a neighborhood called Mudville and they say that the poem took place there. Thayer was from Massachusetts and graduated from Harvard so the Holliston claim is based on Thayer’s origins as much as their neighborhood. Stockton has been a charter member of the California League since 1941 and called its team the Mudville Nine for two seasons. Today Visalia will don the uniforms of the Mudville nine for a special promotion night. Thayer was expected to go into his father’s businesses when he graduated in 1885, but he was a college grad and ready to see the country. His classmate, William Randolph Hearst, had just been given a paper in San Francisco – Thayer had a destination. His last column before returning to Massachusetts was Casey at the Bat – the title given to it by the newspaper editor and the poem was attributed to a fictional Phin. Thayer and the paper walked away – no copyright – no expectations. It took a comedian by the name of DeWolf Hopper to start performing it and giving it recognition. Not to confuse the story, but San Diego chose to name the area around Petco Park – Mudville Flats – a recent choice and not a claim to the poems origin. So we are left with the debate between Holliston because Thayer was from a town near there and they have a neighborhood of Mudville. Stockton has the claim because the poem was published near to them, and they were originally called Mudville. Stockton has additional proof - in the poem three players who did play on the Stockton team were mentioned. And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same, A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game. And But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake, And the former was a hoodoo, while the latter was a cake; So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat, For there seemed but little chance of Casey getting to the bat. But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all, And Blake, the much despisèd, tore the cover off the ball; And when the dust had lifted, and men saw what had occurred, There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third. It was a challenge, a matter of honor so Stockton chose to settle this with a baseball game. This is the letter that Stockton sent: "Dear Mr. Fitzgerald, "I send you greetings from across the continent (writes John Shannahan, captain of the Mudville Base Ball Club. ... I must inform you that your article (in which I wrote, using diplomatic language, that they were crazy drew our considerable attention. "The implication that Casey's Mudville was someplace other than our fair community, while totally unfounded, threatened the values and sense of honor that many of us have held since childhood. ... "We believe that a ball game played, Mudville against Mudville, would best celebrate the spirit of the game we love, and the hero we share." In the exchange they agreed to an annual game in October alternating between the towns. No professionals were allowed, and the players had to be 30 and older. "The final score was 10-4 in favor of Stockton," Blair said. " … But guess what? Our team, Mudville, lost, just as it’s supposed to be. Bingo." Thayer in a later interview said, "Actually, none of the people who claim to be Casey or the model for Casey are the right ones," he said. "It was actually a guy named Daniel Casey who I went to high school with who threatened to beat me up once because I made fun of him in the school newspaper." Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright, The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light; And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout, But there is no joy in Mudville—mighty Casey has struck out.
    3 points
  3. This team showed that they are for real. There was no quit to them in the 2nd half. Miraculous plays on both sides of the ball. I am fully bought in.
    3 points
  4. TWO passes when you need 1.5 yards. Awful
    3 points
  5. Noah Cardenas was born and grew up in Southern California. He’s a Twins fan now, but it is understandable that he grew up a Dodgers fan and went to several games at the stadium. He enjoyed watching Yasiel Puig play the game. While he played some football until junior high, some basketball, and even some soccer. It was on the baseball field that he excelled. He attended Bishop Alemany High School in Mission Hills in one of the best prep baseball leagues in the country. In the Mission League, they played against teams like Chaminade and Harvard-Westlake (where Lucas Giolito, Max Fried, and Jack Flaherty played). Notre Dame had Hunter Greene pitching and playing shortstop. There are first-round talents in the conference nearly every year. While there, he was a four-year letter winner. As a junior, he was an honorable-mention All-American. In the summers, he was playing in various national and regional events, such as Perfect Game and the Area Code Games. He was one of the top prospects in his class in California. As a senior, he hit .444/.577/.694 with 15 extra-base hits. He committed to UCLA and was very excited to go there. Cardenas said, “I love UCLA. I think it’s an amazing university. Obviously a diehard Bruin fan now. I grew up a USC fan during the Reggie Bush Era. My brother poisoned me into that thing. I grew up a USC fan, but I was lucky enough for UCLA to recruit me.” In the summer before his freshman year, he played for Portland in the West Coast League and hit .287 with six extra-base hits in 30 games. Cardenas had an incredible freshman season. In 58 games, he hit .375/.476/.500 (.976) with six doubles, a triple, and three homers. He had 17 walks (and was hit 10 times) to go with just 14 strikeouts. He was also an Honorable Mention All-Defensive Team in the Pac-12 that year too. That summer he was scheduled to go play for the Mankato Moondogs of the Northwoods League. Last minute, his coach let him know that he was heading to the Cape Cod League. As a sophomore, he played in just 11 games before Covid hit and ended that season. He did play some summer ball. He has a brother that is a trainer in the Texas Rangers organization, and he helped him out during that lost season. They developed a training schedule for him that included all aspects of the game. In his junior season (2021), he played in 57 games and hit .268/.371/.404 (.774) with 12 doubles, a triple, and five home runs. Behind the plate, he threw out 38% of would-be base stealers. He was named to the Pac-12 All-Conference Team. With that success, he became the Twins eighth-round pick in the 2021 draft. Cardenas noted, “You just sit there and wait. It was an awesome time. I really enjoyed it, but that time just sitting on your couch, I just want to go already. I just want to get picked. Finally, that time came, and it was the right time, and I was lucky enough to get drafted by the Twins.” Seven rounds later, the Twins also selected his UCLA teammate Mikey Perez. “Going to UCLA, we always stayed together in the same apartment. He’s been trying to get away from me for years now, and it’s funny that we were drafted by the same team.” He continued, “Mikey’s just been a great friend to have, and the transition to pro ball has been awesome.” After signing, Cardenas got into 13 games late in the year in the FCL. He hit .300/.400/.500 (.900) with a double and a homer in his 25 plate appearances. He got an offseason to work, and he came into the 2022 season ready to go. He remained in Ft. Myers and spent the season with the Mighty Mussels. In 99 games, he hit .261/.421/.413 (.834) with 18 doubles and nine home runs. He even stole 11 bases. You also can’t help but notice his Isolated Discipline (OBP - BA) of .160. He had 73 walks on the season with just 70 strikeouts. He credits Ft. Myers hitting coach Rayden Sierra with helping him focus on knowing the strike zone, but also knowing which pitches he can do damage in the zone. He came in fourth place in voting for the Twins Daily Minor League Hitter of the Year Award behind only Matt Wallner, Edouard Julien, and Chris Williams. He played 25 games at first base, but he made 56 starts behind the plate. He threw out 29% of potential base stealers. All that, and he earned the Mighty Mussels’ Harmon Killebrew Award for Community Service for all of the work he did away from the field, time with kids, and visiting hospitals and more. Hear more about: Learning how the Twins used technology and analytics, and how it can help him. Both of his parents speak Spanish, but he acknowledges that he “can’t speak a lick of it.” So, adjusting to conversations with Spanish-speaking pitchers and teammates. What he enjoys about catching and what he has done to learn more behind the plate. “I was really excited to get a guy like Tucker Frawley who is the catching guy… I felt what he was teaching us was really good stuff.” His thoughts on the electronic strike zone, and the review process that was used at times in the Florida State League. Working with rehabbing big leaguers such as Sonny Gray in Ft. Myers. For more Twins Daily content on Noah Cardenas, click here.
    3 points
  6. 99/100 times the Vikings lose games like that
    2 points
  7. What is the point of replay if you don’t look at the play?
    2 points
  8. ALL TIME DRIVE BY JUSTIN JEFFERSON!!
    2 points
  9. Call me crazy, but I think it’s more important to see how close we are to the elite teams in the league like Buffalo than winning this game. I’m glad Josh Allen was able to play today so we see them at their very best. The Vikings are certainly in a tier below Buffalo, Kansas City, and Philadelphia.
    2 points
  10. Tackling is just atrocious
    2 points
  11. Thrilled to see the Kasota gold border go away i like the cursive scripts like the Twin cities text on the pennant, not sure if I like the “Anaheim angels” bit, if they expand on that idea… the joke is fun when it’s spoofing the angels
    2 points
  12. Now you need to repeat the performance in Stockton.
    2 points
  13. Thanks Seth for Cardenas background info. When we finally picked Cardenas I was happy because he's a catcher that could have been picked much higher. He has been on my radar, expecting good things from him. A very well rounded catcher.
    2 points
  14. A few years ago, I visited Holliston, Mass., and recorded a rendition of “Casey at the Bat” at their statue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LYgOURYpYM&t=11s
    2 points
  15. Hard disagree, especially since Meg Rowley of FanGraphs has expressed her displeasure of MLB using her site's WAR calculation for arbitration like Brock already mentioned. This is a case where some of the "nerds" don't want to be involved.
    2 points
  16. He has joined a team already - Men's Senior Baseball; it's pretty good baseball.
    2 points
  17. ashbury

    More new logo leaks

    Are they about to become the Twin Cities Twins of Anaheim?
    2 points
  18. I've got a jar full of fake silver coins; you know, US mint quarters, dimes and nickels I'll throw in on the Correa deal since they're no longer accepted as legal tender at Fleet Farm, which is no longer "fleet" (took awhile to get checked out) and they're not much into "farm" either. But they do have a large selection of potato chips and peanuts though. "Plow Through Our Chips" is their new farm motto. Anyway, there was this sign on the checkout counter "Please use your plastic to pay for your items as we don't have any coins to make change." What's the country coming to when its own coinages of the realm are no longer legal tender? I suppose partly because you can't even get a Salted Nut Roll anymore without forking over a $2 bill so what do you do with coins? Put 'em in a sock and carry 'em around like a sap? So I'll up the ante for Correa with my coinage. Maybe Correa can drill out his bats and stuff 'em full of coins. You know, since MLB deflated their baseballs and spindly grandmothers can no longer hit moonshot homeruns. Ought to add a couple of points to his OPS. But if he ain't into jimmying his bat, there's gotta be ten bucks in my coin jar. Enough to get Correa a couple two-three bags of chips at Fleet. He can split the take with Boras. Let the chips fall where they may.
    2 points
  19. There are lots of similarities between the 2022 Twins and Vikings. I wrote about it at VikingsTerritory.com. What say you? https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/top_news/the-eerie-similarities-between-the-2022-twins-and-vikings?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
    1 point
  20. Justin Jefferson is good at football.
    1 point
  21. Mike zimmer watching that game, and you know he was. His team last year would have lost 41-17
    1 point
  22. I mean that JJ catch on 4th and a mile was hard to fathom
    1 point
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  24. What a MFing win man
    1 point
  25. Perfect ending to that scrappy drive. Ham TD! GOD DAMNIT Joseph.
    1 point
  26. I like having a good TE
    1 point
  27. The bad play was third down. Too many times this year they throw deep on third and short. The fourth down was just a good defensive play.
    1 point
  28. ashbury

    SS- Maybe a trade?

    Three-team trade, then? Trade Rule-5 eligible prospects to a team doing a tear-down, taking an established player in return, and flipping to the team with the extra SS, with extra pieces as necessary? (The Garver trade wasn't quite like that but turned out to be the start of a three-team deal. in effect)
    1 point
  29. This is my favorite part of the redesign. The current script with multiple strokes pains me to no end as a designer. It's just sloppy.
    1 point
  30. I should have left out the word "merely", because I share the same genuine concern she expressed and which you amplified. No one in the analytics community believes WAR provides much if any useful or actionable information in the last digit normally published, say 4.2 versus 4.1, any more so than the holder of a .268 batting average is with any certainty a better hitter for average than a .267 hitter. One 3-for-4 day in the last game of the season can reverse the rankings of two players. But it could be both, and your second paragraph is a different solution to the issue I raised. The current arbitration system is surely expensive in terms of the lawyers who must argue for and against the player's cause, and the arbitrator gets paid too. If it now comes down to some formula, win-win for the owners and for the players union - except FG and B-R may or may not reap any of the benefit that they help produce and for which MLB would have to hire some people to implement (and take the heat for). It comes down to whatever contract they already have with MLB for use of MLB's trademarks, MLBPA's players likenesses, and/or the data systems that provide the overnight game stats, and it's possible that, as smaller businesses, the lawyers they hired allowed some language that allows MLB to exploit them now for wholly unanticipated use of their IP. I'd love to know more but we may never learn the details, and obviously all I'm doing is speculating. It will piss me off no end if it comes out that MLB plays hardball and tells these small fish, "you signed a contract, if you don't like it we'll find someone else." Which... I don't put past them whatsoever. A contract IS a contract, but the bigger fish usually have the advantage when that contract is negotiated. And, circling back at last to the points raised in the OP here - MLB is dealing with two sources, not a sole source, which is a huge advantage to them. Say FG tells them, "fine, we'll just stop publishing WAR for anyone, unless you subsidize our efforts going forward." MLB perhaps says in response, "fine, B-R isn't being so obstinate, we'll just throw in with them." Or, vice versa. Getting two suppliers fearful about what the other will do is always good business.
    1 point
  31. If I say what that really looks like to me...I'll get banned, but if you say that's the correct way, I'll go along.
    1 point
  32. 100%. I think some of the complaints about Rocco & analytics are more of a complaint about the current state of baseball, where certain fans hate starters being pulled at 90-100 pitches, rather than being allowed to go as deep in the game as they can, and only getting pulled when they run into trouble. Or want more base-stealing. Or hate strikeouts. So I'm not sure it's really about Rocco all the time, he's just the focus as our manager for what they feel is a bigger problem (but maybe don't/can't articulate it like that)? Of course, I'm also the guy who thinks fans tend to overrate the impact of the manager on a team; I think there are only a handful of superior managers (and even they can't win without the talent) and increasingly few terrible ones. Most of them fall in the mushy middle and in aggregate only go plus/minus 2 wins based on strategic decisions throughout the year. I don't mind analytics in baseball at all. It's always been the most stat-driven sport and the least interactive by the players compared to basketball, hockey, football, etc when players have to be in synch at all times or things can go off the rails quickly. Digging in on the stats has always been part of what's fun for me in baseball.
    1 point
  33. Karbo

    Lets go big!!

    That would be a fun team to watch for sure!
    1 point
  34. Any chance he is related to Leo Cardenas - our SS 69 - 71?
    1 point
  35. IndianaTwin

    Short starts wasn't "The Plan"

    But actually, remember that there was a shortened spring training, so most pitchers had gotten fewer than normal starts during spring training. Additionally, they were carrying two more relievers than usual because of the expanded rosters. Even with those, they were throwing “normal” lengths as starters.
    1 point
  36. This is my take as well. Correa is the entire package. Boegarts has the bat to be good for quite some time and can move to second down the road while remaining very productive.
    1 point
  37. I could easily see Adames available one year from now because of the prospects coming up the Brewers system but believe there’s close to a zero percent chance of him being traded now.
    1 point
  38. I’m kinda into the idea of having an alt jersey with that script on it.
    1 point
  39. Either Jefferson Davis or Alfred E. Neuman would be my guesses.
    1 point
  40. My wife is giving me $20 to spend on parking at the SCSU women’s hockey game. I’m pretty sure that it’s free. If Carlos accepts, I’m willing to act like the parking really did cost $20, and give him the money. I’ll risk it. I’ve been in trouble before.
    1 point
  41. Fleeced again. This is a prime example of a club, (Baltimore) selling high on a player that has no history of being anything but bad. There's a sucker born every minute and there's the Twins organization that falls for it time after time.
    1 point
  42. Pretty sure I found it. In order to claim it, I require a $20 finders fee.
    1 point
  43. I lost a ten spot recently, pretty sure it was at the Prospect Park Station on the Green Line. Anybody finds it, PM me at TwinsDaily.
    1 point
  44. For one, the old arbitration was already based on statistical data - just not as good at determining value as WAR. For another, the owners and players agreed on this new system together, nobody from Fangraphs or Baseball Reference had any say whatsoever in those negotiations.
    1 point
  45. I take the Green Line to work every day between the Twin Cities. Light rail gets a bad rap from guys in Elk River who think cowering in fear of Minneapolis is something to brag about, but it’s 20 minutes there, 20 minutes back, and I can listen to podcasts about war or baseball. Recently, while waiting for my train at the Prospect Park station, something caught my eye. Was it a food wrapper? No. An empty tallboy? No. It was a by god $10 bill. I picked it up, put it in my pocket, and tried to think of something I could do with it. As tempting as a fistful of Beef-and-Chedds from Arby’s is, this is found money. I do OK, it should go to a good cause. In the end, there was only one right answer. Carlos Correa , if you return to the Minnesota Twins, I will give you ten American dollars. Now, I’m aware that your asking price is quite a bit steeper. I’ve read the interviews with Scott Boras and the copious hot stove analyses that say Minnesota is in play, but still an unlikely destination for your long-term services. One thing I’ve also noticed: not a single GD one of them mentions paper money. This $10 bill I found? Cold hard cash. By the time you get to the end of this sentence, it’ll be worth more than every crypto scam and Twitter combined. And I’m telling you right now: You can have it. Just sign with the Twins. I’ve watched enough bad shortstops over the years to know that your services are needed, especially with Royce Lewis’ health in question. The Boy Geniuses clearly agree and have already put together a competitive offer for your services. I’m putting $10 on top of what they’re already prepared to give you. Talk to Boras. Mull it over with your family. Take some time. I think you’ll agree this offer is fair, sound, and selfless. I thank you for your consideration. (We can do the handoff at Arby's, too. First Beef-and-Chedd? On me.) Regards, Stu
    1 point
  46. Yep. Maybe time to re-define "save". The guy who pitches out of the 7th inning jam preserving a lead that ultimately holds up....maybe that guy gets the "save" designation. Or the save is just discarded entirely. There are plenty of other ways/stats to identify who performs well in high leverage, and who wets the bed. Sequence BP rotation accordingly......
    1 point
  47. It is understandable why teams designated closers for so many years. The consistency of the same pitchers working the same innings helped pitchers prepare for individual games. But this approach didn't take into account the most important thing, something Tom Kelly is famous for saying: put players in situations where they are most likely to succeed. This means you set up your pitching so that you don't have your fourth-best reliever facing the opposition's best hitters, no matter what inning it is. Use your best reliever in the most important situations.
    1 point
  48. chpettit19

    SS- Maybe a trade?

    I don't think the Twins have the farm system to make a trade like this and still have the depth of prospects you need to stay competitive. Hoerner has 3 years of control left, and Adames is the MVP of the Brewers. Neither of those guys would be cheap. Like you're talking Lewis or Lee to even get the conversation started. That's a hefty price to pay. Trading for a fill in SS that would give way to Lewis or Lee makes even less sense to me. Just sign Iglesias or some other vet who's easily pushed aside. Why give up any talent for someone you expect to be replaced in half a season?
    1 point
  49. The Bills can beat us without Allen. Case Keenum is a pretty good backup. And it's hard to win on the road. And the Bills defense has given up 21 points or more just once this season, they give up less than 200/yrds per game. I have us going 15-2 because I'm a crazy optimist, but this is one of the losses I picked.
    1 point
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