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  1. Feels like much ado about nothing with Cave. He's easily cuttable. They didn't give him 10M or something. I don't like him and have no problem with people preferring they had just released him, but lets not make this out to be more than it is. Less than $1M to a 4th outfielder they'll cut immediately if/when they find a better option. Now on to the other players being thrown around as preferable over Cave. Yes, Castellanos and Canha are far better options, but, again, Cave signed for 800K, those 2 are getting way, way, way more than that. They're not the same type of signing. It's like saying "why did we extend Kepler? I would've signed Bryce Harper over Kepler." Yes, Bryce is far better, but they're not comparable signings. Clint Frazier can't play CF. We need to stop that talk right now. I don't like Cave in center, but Frazier is a Rooker-esque corner outfielder. As in one of the worst defenders in all of baseball. In fact, Rooker may be the best comp for Frazier there is on the Twins right now. Better contact skills, but he's a power corner bat who's a negative asset in the field. I wouldn't be upset with bringing him in, or even him replacing Cave, but lets not make him out to be what he isn't. He's a terrible fielder. I'd take him over Cave because I'd use Gordon in CF before I'd use Cave. But I'd never use Frazier there. But let's pump the brakes on the Cave rage. He's my least favorite Twin right now, and I don't think he plays a role on a contending team, but it's not even Thanksgiving yet, and he's on an incredibly releasable 1 year contract.
    8 points
  2. If he's the opening day CF, we're going to have way more to complain about than just Cave. It would mean that Buxton would be gone. Also, no team that is trying to "contend" has Cave as their opening day CF so that means they sat out free agency completely.
    7 points
  3. Twins Protect Prospects, Fill 40-Man Roster Last Friday marked the deadline for teams to add players to their 40-man rosters in order to block them from being claimed in the Rule 5 draft. Minnesota elected to protect six prospects. IN: Royce Lewis, SS Jose Miranda, 3B Josh Winder, RHP Cole Sands, RHP Blayne Enlow, RHP Chris Vallimont, RHP While the first four adds above were essentially considered locks, the Twins went the extra mile by adding Enlow (recovering from Tommy John surgery) and Vallimont (24-year-old with no success yet above Single-A). After getting burned on the loss of Akil Baddoo last year, it seems Minnesota wanted to take no undue risks this time around, especially when it comes to their critical minor-league pitching depth. In order to facilitate this wave of additions, the team also cleared room by offloading four players. OUT: Devin Smeltzer, LHP (Outrighted) Kyle Garlick, OF (Outrighted) Charlie Barnes, LHP (DFA) Willians Astudillo, UTIL (DFA) These moves leave the 40-man roster full, with 17 position players and 23 pitchers. Here's the makeup as it currently stands. From here on out, the Twins will need to remove a player and risk losing him for each new addition. Any of Danny Coulombe, Ralph Garza Jr., Juan Minaya, Cody Stashak, Drew Strotman, and Lewis Thorpe could be on the chopping block. It's hard to envision any more drops on the positional side (barring trades), after one clear candidate got himself a controversial new contract for 2022. Cave Lands Deal for 2022 It was widely expected the Twins would move on from Jake Cave this offseason. He produced a total of 0.2 fWAR in 118 games over the past two seasons, his performance progressively worsening. Alas, the team agreed to terms with him Friday on a one-year, $800K contract. It's a bit less than Cave was projected to earn in arbitration this winter, but still could hardly be considered much of a value, considering how awful his play has been. My read on this is that the Twins are simply trying to preserve some experienced outfield depth, with both Byron Buxton and Max Kepler ranking among their most likely players to be traded this offseason. Still, Jake Cave? It bears noting that arbitration contracts are not guaranteed. The Twins can still cut Cave before the next season starts while shedding most of his salary commitment. That rarely happens, but it may be somewhat more likely in this case given the circumstances. Here's a look at the updated 2022 roster and payroll projection, with Cave (for now) penciled in as fourth outfielder: Rotation Options Fly Off the Free Agency Board Free agent starters Noah Syndergaard, Justin Verlander and Eduardo Rodriguez have all signed with aspiring 2022 contenders from the American League. None of those teams are the Twins. Detroit made an emphatic statement about its status as a reborn legit player in the AL Central, signing Rodriguez to a five-year, $77 million contract. Not only is E-Rod a quality arm added atop a talented young Tigers rotation, but he was also one of the more realistic high-end starter targets for the Twins. (Though they reportedly were not in on him.) Syndergaard got a one-year, $21.5 million contract from the Angels, while Verlander re-signed with Houston on a one-year deal worth $25 million, plus a 2023 player option. It's likely that neither of these ace-caliber hurlers had much interest in signing with the reigning last-place finishers in the Central, but those kinds of short-term commitments are in the wheelhouse of the flexibility-focused Twins. With that trio off the board, here's what remains at the top end of the free agent starting pitching market (* denotes QO and draft pick compensation): Max Scherzer, RHP Kevin Gausman, RHP Robbie Ray, LHP* Marcus Stroman, RHP Clayton Kershaw, LHP Carlos Rodón, LHP Anthony DeSclafani, RHP Steven Matz, LHP Zack Greinke, RHP Alex Cobb, RHP Yusei Kikuchi, LHP Jon Gray, RHP Alex Wood, LHP Still plenty of quantity out there, but if the Twins want to score a name from this list they might want to act quickly, because other clubs aren't wasting time. One lower-level name also came off the board on Sunday when José Quintana signed with the Pirates for $2 million. Winter of Discontent? We all knew this was likely to be an unusual offseason, given the looming labor strife. Plenty of organizations seem to be biding their time. The Twins front office, especially, has had a habit of waiting out the market and treating patience as an asset, so their general lack of activity comes as no big surprise. With that said, the early events of this offseason have done nothing but fuel the sour vibes of frustrated fans who are eager for a turnaround, and a showing of intention. Since wrapping up one of the most disappointing seasons in franchise history, here's what we've witnessed: Three top free agent starters signing with other teams, including one with a division rival. An unpopular player in Cave re-signing for 2022. José Berríos signing a long-term extension with Toronto, and more or less indicating that his prior dedication to reaching free agency was largely due to Minnesota never making an offer that seriously tempted him. Reports of Buxton negotiations inexplicably remaining fruitless despite the apparent presence of a reasonable framework, with a trade considered likely. None of these are necessarily unforgivable offenses on their own (the Buxton thing might be, if it plays out like it's trending). But they all feed into negative narratives around the Twins: a team that is unwilling to do what it takes to keep premier homegrown talent, or to sign high-end free agent pitching. A team that's overly committed to perceived "bargains," and maintaining the status quo rather than taking bold action. There's time to turn the tides on these narratives yet, but if the Twins stand still until the CBA expires midway through next week, they're staring down the prospect of letting this sourness and discontent fester through an extended lockout, which will already be alienating enough for fans on its own. If that's the case, well... good luck with those season ticket sales. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Order the Offseason Handbook — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
    6 points
  4. With the outfield situation in flux, he wasn't going to get released early anyway. He was going to be on the roster at least until the Buxton situation and it's aftermath is sorted out and that won't be until after arbitration figures were cemented. If his arbitration figure was going to be higher, the 800K will make it easier for the Twins to cut bait, something they've done with far worse contracts.
    6 points
  5. Why does spending in FA equate to team building in FA? Free Agency is for supplementing. And you can supplement at high price tags. And....you can supplement your future teams that may be only 1 or 2 players away a year or two in advance. I believe this team has a bonafide group of young pitchers. I think in two years that Miranda, Martin, and Lewis are players for this team. If so.....I want to add now to have those supports in place for them. Signing Seager or Ray or any other top FA doesn't mean you wipe your hands clean and pat yourself on the back for a job well done or mission accomplished. But it means you are one more good player closer to where you want to be in the future. And you have one less offseason where all your "I need to add one or two players now!" eggs are not in the same basket. It's not like St. Louis waited for Arrenado and Goldschmidt to be simultaneously available. They added periodically. Ditto the White Sox. Waiting for the perfect moment is folly.
    5 points
  6. I'm not sure this is correct. If you look at the 2017-2021 MLB CBA, termination pay is defined on page 36 with no mention of arbitration. Termination pay can be available to anyone on a "Uniform Player's Contract" which I believe is the standard 1-year contract for pre-FA players, regardless of how that single year salary is determined (whether by an arbiter, an agreement avoiding arbitration, pre-arb renewal, etc.). Spotrac is obviously just using an automated template for Cave's contract details here -- after all, they are reporting the "average annual salary" of a 1-year contract . So it's quite possible they simply entered/coded it incorrectly.
    5 points
  7. On an either or situation Cave at least gives you a CF when you have an oft injured one. As needing them for full time starters, neither. As 4/5 outfielders, who cares
    5 points
  8. Meh. I wouldn’t react too much to this signing. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s cut before opening day.
    5 points
  9. It is 800K. No big deal if he ends up cut at some point, except to Cave who might have a hard time earning that kind of money again. Well, I guess it is a big deal to those that probably never dealt with back injuries.
    5 points
  10. Happy Thanksgiving. We are in the season where we are glad we once had Cruz, Pressly and Berrios, where LaMonte Wade was one of our bench players, Akil and Wells were in our system. We have had a lot of good players to celebrate and two really good years. Now the weather and the roster look bleak. So do we get Christmas Cheer or wait until the end of the winter and sign a Cron or a disgruntled Lynn? Please FO give us something as we snap the wishbone.
    5 points
  11. This is so depressing :(. I mean, good article, but man I just feel the Twins are gonna end up doing nothing of any consequence.
    5 points
  12. As others have mentioned, Cave's contract is not yet fully guaranteed. Does that mean they don't fully intend to have him on the team come Spring Training and Game 1 of 162? No. But it's important to get the details right and his deal isn't guaranteed. I'd think that makes it even easier for the FO to cut him loose if/when they find an upgrade.
    4 points
  13. An outfielder who can hit and field? No we try to get rid of those types. We prefer them to only have one of those skills or neither as long as they are cheap we are good. Joking of course - yes we could use a right-hand hitting outfielder who can field but not sure we would allocate a portion of our budget for that. Would open the possibility of trading some of our other outfielders for pitching.
    4 points
  14. No. We also need pitching.
    3 points
  15. The right guys signed to 5 year deals should provide help to several potential windows of contention. That's the beauty of it....sign Corey Seager or Robbie Ray and they should be a factor for several potential runs. Signing stop gaps only ensures they never help your future. That's what a stop gap is.
    3 points
  16. So just put the money in one of the Pohlad's bank accounts and call it a day. Wait for the minor leagues to provide everything needed for a WS. Gotcha.
    3 points
  17. Don't the Twins have a very good relationship with Maeda? And doesn't he like it here? If so, both could be positives in attracting this guy. May even go so far as to have Maeda do a little recruiting? As for needing him, the Twins need all the good players they can get.
    3 points
  18. Buxton or no Buxton, they need 3 SPs, a couple BP arms, and a SS. They also need to transition a corner OFer prospect to the majors this year. Transitioning a 3B is also just around the corner too. I would say they have some rebuilding to do with or without Buxton.
    3 points
  19. Both Nishioka and Park got a good chance to succeed, and failed. But of course, many people from warmer climates might characterize Minnesota springs and falls as "cold days in hell."
    3 points
  20. 3 pitchers signed, One to the team he played for, one on a one year build value contract. Neither will anchor the team. Two play a waiting game The teams and the players,. The Rodriguez signing shows that either he wanted to play in Detroit or the market is not going to be as high as people seem to think. The latter may be confirmed by what Berrios signed for. If the market is not going to be as hot the players will wait.
    3 points
  21. What if it takes 500 mil over 10 years? What if that is the only offer he will sign? Would you agree to that? I mean I know that is unlikely but you said do what it takes period. I personally do not understand people's obsession with extending him no matter what. We basically have played every year of his career without him for at least half the season. If we extend him, we need to sign a backup CF for when he will be injured. I am not saying do not sign him, but do not overpay for someone that will be injured half the time at minimum. The fact that he has had head issues concussion and migraines, that always concerns me because they can end a career without even a contact injury sometimes.
    3 points
  22. agreed, they are paying Colome 1.25 to not play, 800K is nothing in the grand scheme of things. The only way it really turns bad for the Twins is if they suck and they keep playing him over a prospect. I don't want Laranch/AK or Celestino being the 4th outfielder, so hopefully the plan is to let the young guys play in the minors and Cave ride the bench until they are ready. Why pay any more than 800K for a guy to ride the bench? Or they know he is still hurt and they are being kind to him knowing insurance will cover most of the 800k? (At least I hope that is what the FO is thinking)
    3 points
  23. For heaven sakes..make extending Buxton a priority and move on. Do what it takes. Period
    3 points
  24. As Yogi would say, this is deja vu all over again. Resigning Cave has me wondering if Falvine have any brains at all. WAYYYYYYY too many better options out there for a 4th outfielder than Cave. I'd take Frazier or Goodrum over Caveman anyday. Makes me wonder since they gave up a good prospect in Luis Gil for him if they feel the need to give him extra chances to prove they didn't really make a bad trade, as it looks now. This FO needs to stop looking at the player production from 2018 and 2019 and focus on what their players are giving them now and make decisions based on that.
    3 points
  25. I don’t think the Twins will or should sign an outfield free agent like Castellanos and/or Canha. They aren’t on the same tier with Jake Cave or more accurately Jake Cave isn’t on the same plane with them. 800K is spare change out of the sofa for MLB owners. The contracts that Canha and Castellanos will be (most likely) long term and expensive. I don’t think signing Cave is a good move on a full 40-man roster. I still don’t think a left handed hitter is a fit on the Twins roster. OTOH, Cave had over 500 PAs of good performance followed by 300 well below average PAs. I think he has a good chance to rebound, but I don’t like him staying with the Twins.
    3 points
  26. Thanks for the update, Nick. Not much to get excited about, eh? Still see Dobnak as a starter.
    3 points
  27. Clint Frazier. I’m a never Caver. Disturbing move signing him like the team is being run by total incompetents. I sure would have signed Castellanos or Canha before Cave. Unbelievable.
    3 points
  28. That starting rotation is looking a little bleak.
    3 points
  29. Wait, what? Puckett or Mauer was like watching paint dry? I totally don't get this. If you ever played baseball, you would easily recognize that both players were really an exciting psychological battle as opponents. Having managed a ton of games, pitched hundreds of games and caught over a hundred I would offer that these two are about as difficult to approach as anyone, even if they had completely different styles. The comment was a total, huh? I respectfully wonder how those words were accumulated.
    3 points
  30. My point would be to sign Goodrum instead of Simmons (for probably less $$ and to probably get more production). Pretty sure there was no mention of Goodrum becoming Jeter anywhere...
    3 points
  31. The Nationals paid Scherzer a boatload of cash and rode him to a world series.
    2 points
  32. Nick: "And guess what's going to be happening during those months? This comment seems entirely oblivious of the reality that is about to materialize. It would be nice to have any semblance of good news or encouragement before the baseball world shuts down completely." What would you speculate Nick is talking about here?
    2 points
  33. Kudos to both jharaldson and Brock for incredibly good and entertaining debate points. Really well done.
    2 points
  34. Kepler would have to be hurt as well.
    2 points
  35. I disagree, I think he’s a near lock for a roster spot. I am guessing he will start on the bench and will hopefully have a short leash. Buxton is absolutely capable of getting hurt in Spring Training…
    2 points
  36. Definitely not, but the Twins rarely have this much uncertainty in the OF either. I think the fact that the Twins are paying him LESS than what he would have gotten in arbitration makes it more likely they'd eat his salary once the Buxton situation is resolved one way or another. I mean the fact that they already agreed to a reduced salary seems to indicate the Twins already threatened cutting him once. And it's a nice compromise for Cave; even if later he only latches on with a MiLB deal, he still gets minimum 800K to play the Twins safety net for a few months.
    2 points
  37. As mentioned, I understand they can do this. But might you name some examples of past players they tendered arbitration contracts and then cut in spring training (or before)? I'm having a hard time thinking of a single one. Let's not act like it's a common occurrence.
    2 points
  38. I think that's easy to understand when other fans are getting it now. Waiting things out mean you get the guys who will meet your asking price, where as being aggressive means you get the guys you want most.
    2 points
  39. As always, Great article Nick. I don't understand the Cave signing at all. But to me it looks like another indication that payroll is going to be slashed. The off seasons are always frustrating for Twins fans. Just like the prospects we get, a lot of hype but not much substance. They have been in a classic payroll reduction since last spring with their moves. As for a potential lockdown I say: "shame on you" players and owners. Any work stoppage involving billionaire owners and multi millionaire players will only alienate more people from an already dwindling fan base.
    2 points
  40. Chicken Little had no prior history to go off of for his pronoucement of doom. We Twins fans have plenty of history (and recent) to support this position. Well written Nick!
    2 points
  41. I agree 100% with Ace Wrigley and have been thinking about Clint Frazier being released by the Yankees ever since rumors were swirling that it might happen. Why our FO felt the need to "lock up" Cave when a player of Frazier's potential would eventually become available is mind numbing. Personally, I believe the Yanks are giving up on Frazier too soon. It's a classic case in the Big Apple of just churning thru players far too quickly. Frazier has 30-HR potential and is capable of playing at least as good a CF as Cave. He would be a PERFECT buy low candidate for the Twins as a 4th OF'er who COULD end up as your starting LF'er and possible backup for Buxton. My question beyond Cave is this: What are Falvey&Levine waiting for ?? Sign Frazier and either dump Cave (unlikely now) or Thorpe. I'm tired of the bargain bin diving, but Frazier is JUST the type of gamble this team needs to take with a pitching staff in shambles.
    2 points
  42. Frankly, revenue will likely increase this season because they started last season with no fans and later had an attendance cap through the midpoint of the season.
    2 points
  43. Chicken Little articles before Thanksgiving, Months to go before the season starts. As Morrison once said “We want the world and we want it now”
    2 points
  44. Who would you rather have, Jake Cave or Clint Frazier?
    2 points
  45. Why are we trying to get by so cheap. First Nico's numbers offensively are no better than Simmons. He also has had leg issues. I want to see the twins add not subtract. Nice idea but if can't add a big name we need to get by with Royce, Gordon, or martin. Then we save the 2 plus million and add it to the pitching.
    2 points
  46. I saw this DFA and wondered if Niko might be worth a small contract risk. Good post and it seems like a lot of money to throw away if Goodrum is cooked, but there should be some scout's analysis out there on him. The current options are not looking better, so yes.
    2 points
  47. Seth, am usually opposed to bringing back ex-Twins previously released, especially one also just released by Detroit, but if he has still truly an above average fielding SS, his power potential alone would make him a clear choice over Simmons. We're not going to spend the dollars necessary to sign one of the big name FAs, so why not a flyer on this guy? Don't like his high K rate, but from the list of other available middlin' SSs, this would seem to be a good low risk candidate at a very moderate cost. I like the idea of jettisoning Cave and see Gordon and Goodrum as backups in both the IF and SS if and when Lewis can take over SS position permanently. Unfortunately, I don't see the Wonder Boys going for an "old" Twin; just not in their DNA.
    2 points
  48. I agree that they're not retooling. I'm not sure if they're rebuilding, because I'm not sure what they're trying to build. If they're going to trade away their good young players as soon as they qualify for high salaries, they're never going to build anything.
    2 points
  49. See below from MLBTR. 12:45pm: Sportsnet’s Shi Davidi reports that Berrios received a $5MM signing bonus and will be paid $10MM next season (Twitter link). He’ll then earn salaries of $15MM, in 2023, $17MM in 2024, $18MM in 2025-26, and $24MM in 2027-28. That breakdown indicates Berrios’ opt-out decision will come with a total of $48MM remaining on the contract. However, Davidi adds that escalators based on Berrios’ 2025-26 stats could boost his 2027-28 salaries by $5MM apiece. If he triggers all the escalators, Berrios would decide between the remaining two years and $58MM or reentering the market in advance of his age-33 season.
    2 points
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