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  1. ......you should maybe reread your own list. I dont know how you draw that conclusion with a straight face.
    6 points
  2. I only watched from the 8th inning on…but. Watching and trying to understand Rocco’s late inning maneuvers is painful. For instance, bottom of ninth, KC has a right hander on the mound, Twins have 3 left handed batters on the bench, Arraez, Gordon and Cave. Due up is Rooker, Kepler, Jeffers. Rooker gets to bat and makes an out, Kepler makes an out. So bottom of ninth with no one on and two outs, Gordon is sent for Jeffers and makes an out. Rortvedt goes into catch, Gordon goes to bench. Next inning Rortvedt gets placed on 2nd and Gordon is unavailable??? secondly, bullpen usage. Duffey, Alcala, Colome all get one inning each throwing around 10 pitches and are removed. Minaya gets an inning, struggles a bit, gets thru it with 20 plus pitches. He gets the next inning. Twins lose the game. I don’t understand analytics.
    6 points
  3. Squirrel

    How quickly we Forget

    This might be true ... but I really doubt it. Just because we don't know what the plan is or it doesn't follow what we expect it to or isn't being executed in how we think it should be ... doesn't mean they don't have one. A lot of posters complain about the FO because they haven't done what that particular poster thinks they should. And, don't get me wrong, those are valid discussion points. But I think the FO had some very specific plans to start the season which has had to change ... a LOT ... due to injuries and under performing and, well, prospects missing a year. That can lead to a rather stark or haphazard appearance when they've had to alter a path they were on. And in some cases i think they stuck to a plan for too long. (Colomé anyone?) And maybe the plan now is 'flying by the seat of their pants' because they've kind of had to this season. To me, implying they have no plan, implies they don't know what they are doing. It's how I read it. But you've clarified so I won't put words in your mouth you didn't say, but when that gets stated ... I don't think they have a plan ... I read it very differently.
    5 points
  4. Marten should have not get in the second run down. Once they threw home he should have stayed at first. I have no issue pulling a pitching prospect in 6th with a no hitter going. If he was at 88 pitches after 8 then I would say give him a shot at it, but no way at current pitches he was going to complete the game and he has had arm issues over his career, like all pitchers.
    5 points
  5. 4 runs before an out is recorded. 11 innings later we come up with a total of 3 hits and 0 runs additional. 0 for 6 with a runner at 2nd in extra innings. Oh, and did I mention that all 4 runs came on home runs? When the pitcher can keep the ball in the ballpark we may be the worst team in this old man's memory; we simply do not move runners along and in to score, even when the runners are handed to us. And check out the ERA's of the 2 pitchers who handed us the 0 for 6 in the extra innings; and the 6 hitters were the top 6 in our lineup. A word to Rocco: put your computer sheets down and play the game of baseball. The team isn't hitting 307 home runs anymore; you need to score the old fashioned way.........or do you not know how?
    5 points
  6. Nice outing big Mike! Ignore Cody…
    4 points
  7. About time. The bullpen has actually been kinda decent since the deadline but still, he could have replaced any number of guys several weeks ago.
    4 points
  8. 4 points
  9. That bolded sentence is an inaccurate description of the Twins pitching philosophy under this current regime. They hunt for elite pitches and get pitchers to throw them more. They also are invested heavily in biomechanics and use that to improve pitchers where they can. But the focus is most certainly not velocity. Joe Ryan and SWR were the big arms they added at the trade deadline and they both throw in the low 90s. The Twins helped Ober with his mechanics and added a couple MPH to him, but the movement and spin of his FB is what they targeted. Same with Ryan. They don't care about his velo, they care about his spin and movement. They brought in Wisler for his slider. Maeda for his split and slider. Pineda for his slider. They have almost nobody coming out of the pen throwing 100. Velocity isn't something they look for at all. They believe they can add some velo to certain pitchers with slight mechanical changes, but elite pitches is what they search for, not velocity.
    4 points
  10. Appreciate some of the above comments about Balazovic, as I also watched much of that game. Great start for the young man, but one I would not label 'incredible.' He seemed to have a problem settling into the strike zone early in the game. Walked the first batter in the second inning on four pitches. Walked the lead off hitter again in the third, also on four pitches. Then went 3-0 on the next guy before recovering and striking him out. Seemed to be struggling finding the strike zone in both of those innings with lots of balls up. On the other hand, the run they got shouldn't have scored, at least in my opinion. He stole second with a late throw from the catcher. If he gets off a clean throw and doesn't double clutch, he would have likely been out. Then goes to third on what was called a wild pitch. They don't do a lot of replays, but when the pitch was made it looked low and inside to me. Seemed like something the catcher should have either caught or blocked, so I was thinking passed ball. Then scored on a dribbler down the line...so yes, he didn't allow a hit and should have gotten a shutout. But with those early walks, I wouldn't call it incredible. Was able to watch Martin on a few plays at short and wasn't impressed. Was one ball hit to him when he hurried his throw a bit, throwing high for an error. Understand that NW Arkansas is a Royals farm club with lots of speed, but didn't seem to be a difficult play. Next hitter hits a ground ball to Martin's right. His throw to second to begin the double play was high, above the second baseman's head resulting in an awkward, late throw to first for no double play. Didn't see him do much more defensively, but those back to back plays weren't smooth and certainly not clean. Will agree with the above comment that I thought he made a mistake getting into the rundown when they scored the two runs.
    4 points
  11. In this last season, Miranda and Balazovic have really been exciting for us. I'm a bit surprised miranda isn't up yet. Hopefully, Balazovic and Ryan are solid ML starters for us for a long time.
    4 points
  12. Trov

    Moving on from Big Mike

    I would be willing to give him a 1 year low pay contract. If he is healthy he is a good starter, not great, but good. If he is not healthy or is not effective it does not hurt to move on from him. I just would hope they would not keep throwing him out there like Happ this year.
    4 points
  13. Observations from the Saints game: 1.) Charlie Barnes looked good. I'd like to talk to him about what he learned about himself and his pitching, and how is he incorporating that into his starts with the Saints now. 2.) Barnes threw only 45 pitches. It was clearly a plan. My guess is he will be called up relatively soon. 3.) Bobby Witt Jr is going to be really special. The HR he hit off Barnes was incredible. 4.) Gilberto Celestino is a terrific CF. And, he has an absolute canon for an arm.
    4 points
  14. And maybe if Kepler would just try to go to the opposite field once his shift would become less pronounced
    4 points
  15. Mike Sixel

    How quickly we Forget

    I'm continually confused by statements that the FO has "no idea what it is doing" "they never make good decisions" etc............... They literally won the division the last two years. You can be disappointed in this year, I think everyone is. But .... I think saying they are clueless idiots and we are only ever sold hope for the future....seems to completely ignore the last two years. PS. Before you point out "last year doesn't count".....every team played under the same conditions, and the Twins won. It isn't their fault Covid happened....
    3 points
  16. This thread raises some questions: if you want to replace the FO, who would you replace them with, and what kind of difference would that be expected to make?
    3 points
  17. The Twins face Kansas City tonight in the second game of their three-game battle to stay out of the basement of the American League Central. Starting pitchers are Brady Singer for the Royals and Michael Pineda for the Twins. Today is September 11th. It is the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attack on the United States wherein the World Trade Center was destroyed. Where were you on this date in 2001? Those of us who are old enough will most likely remember exactly what they were doing that fateful day. My memories focus on my family members, who were newly spread around the country and my worries for their wellbeing. A visit to the site of the WTC years later left me feeling sad and angry at the loss of innocent life. I remember Michael Cuddyer recounting his experience in the aftermath of the terrorist attack. He was to be called up to the Twins for the first time when the world changed. It delayed his debut by a week and he was basically stranded until he met up with the team later. Also, because of a game-winning home run for New Britain, he unwittingly saved the life of Brad Thomas, who pitched for the Twins, and was scheduled to fly on one of the doomed aircraft. Here's the link: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/09/12/how-michael-cuddyer-unwittingly-saved-a-teammates-life-on-911/ In checking out this story, I looked at the record of the 2001 Twins. They had been the story of the league early, but fizzled in the stretch to finish second in the AL Central (to Cleveland). The Twins were going to be pretty good for several years in the early 2000s, but were just too young in 2001. It was Tom Kelly's last hurrah as a manager and he set up his successor (Gardy) with a really good team. Changing the subject a bit, we're now 21 years into the 2000s. Who will be the first Minnesota Twin player to be born in this century? Another question to ponder is about home runs, Harmon Killebrew stands far and away as the top home run hitter for the Twins. He hit 475 as a member of the Twins and 84 more playing for the predecessors. No one else has hit 300 for the Twins. The top home run hitter in this century is Torii Hunter, who hit 205 for the Twins since 2000. Is someone currently on the roster going to exceed Torii? Will someone who is currently in the organization hit 300 homers for the Twins? I'd like to know what you game threaders think. Finally, another topic for discussion--errors and fielding. We all know that some errors are unavoidable--a catcher throws to second and the ball goes into center field because no one covered or a good one-hop throw hits a base runner and kicks away allowing someone to advance--and we also know that a low number of errors doesn't guarantee that someone is a good fielder. Many immobile defenders don't get a lot of errors because they always play it safe and they have no range. However, I do think that if a fielder has a lot of errors, it indicates they aren't a good defender (I'm looking at you Chulo and Miggy). Both Polanco and Sano have a lot of errors for their position and we've all seen them make fine plays, but it seems both guys have concentration lapses and make boots or bad throws on relatively easy plays. Further, it seems to me that both Sano and Polanco have been prone to the really poor decision and have made many ill-advised and hurried throws. Back to today (and pardon this meandering), here are the lineups. Enjoy! Royals (64-77) @ Twins (62-79) PLAYER W-L ERA WHIP IP H K BB HR B. Singer 4-9 4.58 1.54 116.0 130 117 49 9 M. Pineda 5-8 3.99 1.23 88.0 90 76 18 15 HITTERS H-AB RBI HR SB AVG W. Merrifield2B 158-574 68 10 40 .275 N. LopezSS 124-416 38 2 19 .298 S. PerezC 148-541 104 42 1 .274 A. BenintendiLF 110-419 57 15 8 .263 C. SantanaDH 110-498 63 19 2 .221 M. TaylorCF 108-441 50 11 12 .245 E. OlivaresRF 20-88 10 5 2 .227 H. Alberto3B 54-212 20 2 2 .255 H. Dozier1B 85-419 41 11 3 .203 ITTERS H-AB RBI HR SB AVG L. Arraez3B 107-360 36 2 2 .297 B. BuxtonCF 45-157 22 12 5 .287 J. Polanco2B 142-512 83 27 10 .277 J. DonaldsonDH 97-387 62 22 0 .251 M. KeplerRF 75-366 46 16 10 .205 N. GordonSS 34-144 11 1 6 .236 M. Sano1B 86-395 64 26 2 .218 J. CaveLF 27-141 10 3 1 .191 B. RortvedtC 11-80 5 2 0 .138
    3 points
  18. So Buxton seems to be coming around, a good thing for all involved.
    3 points
  19. 3 points
  20. It's about darn time... we've seen more than their share of AAAA filler guys in the pen, so why not give an actual prospect a chance? I suspect he won't be part of the Opening Day pen in 2022, but he's a guy you have to hope will make an impact on next year's club at some point.
    3 points
  21. Hilarity knows no age good sir.
    3 points
  22. Like all rookies, Jax makes mistakes and has tough innings. But he seems to be learning from them and becoming a pitcher who may earn a spot in future rotations. Gonna be real interesting to see what he looks like in the spring.
    3 points
  23. I was impressed with how Jax responded. He could have allowed himself to be rattled but he didn't. He went out and threw 5 more really good innings. Does make me wonder why he didn't get another one though, considering the pit h count.
    3 points
  24. Dman

    Moving on from Big Mike

    He is a veteran the Twins are familiar with and who has had success here. I think the Twins bring him back, I think the raised injury concerns are legit and I don't think the Twins can bank on him for a whole season but I still think they bring him back. Not sure how much of a discount they can get as I am pretty sure he will be looking for 8 to 10 mil per year again and would probably like at least a two year deal. He might find that somewhere else hard to say how desperate some teams might be. As the OP said you have to decide if he is in decline mode or not. If the FO believes in decline I would let him walk if they think there is still something there then they need to find a price point they can live with. I could go either way with this one I just thought that since they didn't trade him they would resign him and given all the turnover in the rotation he could be one stabilizing piece if he still has what it takes. Like I said I think they bring him back but who knows what they are thinking.
    3 points
  25. 3 points
  26. Big Mike for $2 million is acceptable. He can spot start or be a long reliever perhaps.
    3 points
  27. If anyone else is curious, as I am, on how a run scored in 6 no hit innings..... Balazovic walked the lead off batter in the 3rd on 4 pitches - all high - who stole second. Balazovic got a stike out on a foul tip, and then the lead off batter took 3rd on a wild pitch, and scored on the subsequent tapper/ground out back to Balazovic for the second out. A fly out to center to ended the inning. Miranda keeps hitting. I can't believe we don't see him in the show yet as this lost season ends. I hope Celestino can bring it the next time he gets a chance. He sure has been lighting it up in St. Paul. Great to hear. He sure had some defensive mental gaffs in the show and couldn't hit worth a lick, and that is all I have seen. Personally, I hope we don't get to see him in center much at all, which would mean Buxton is healthy, stays on the field, and is extended for years. Charlie Barnes looked good, eh? I've heard that before.
    3 points
  28. Y'all are awesome..... But my point was pretty specific.... Anyone saying they are idiots, and only sell the future.....? Has not witnessed the two years before this. For the more details..... Look at the awful minor league pitching they inherited, even if you count Luis Gil, they literally inherited one possible starting pitcher. And a young Berrios. That's it. And people say the pitching should be fixed, after that mess, and last year's lost season. That's not very realistic. I don't love many of their decisions, and really hate their drafts, but to claim they are clueless, to say they know nothing about pitching after what they did the two years before this? You aren't being realistic at all. Claim they are wrong too much. Claim other things. But the ignoring of real success and saying it isn't real? Just bias. Plain and simple.
    3 points
  29. If the opposition would have played the shift that Kepler gets against Carew, I am willing to bet he would have bunted alot more
    3 points
  30. I've said this in other threads of similar nature, but this FO was tasked with rebuilding the organization from the ground up and ownership has never been of the impatient ilk. So, they're going to get the opportunity to see this through. And they've made no indication that they won't. The game had passed the previous regime's pitching philosophy by, so it's going to take time to build that pipeline. I'm not saying that I'm sold that it's happening, but this FO is going to get that opportunity. They appear to be on the cusp of that coming to fruition, so jettisoning them now makes little sense. If it doesn't work out, then the decision is easy. If it does, the decision is easy. They're at that tipping point right now. At this particular point in time, the effort is incomplete so making a decision one way or another makes little sense.
    3 points
  31. I fully agree. Prior to Falvine coming in our team laughed at advanced stats and doing things like shifting or playing against norms. Now we go full 180, and they are all in on advanced stats. I am of the thought that mixing the two is best practice. Sometimes players do not fit into the math mold or the norm and that is not a bad thing. To me the advanced states and thoughts on bunting or stealing only looks at the whole game but not at the player. Because players get told you cannot bunt because history shows it is bad, they never learn to do it well. Some guys bunting will get them on base, and if they have the ability to steal they can get the double that you want him to hit. Sure not every guy can do this, but why have a 100% never for all players? Same with the third time through rotation, not every guy follows that general rule and some do better if they get to a third time because they have figured out what is working that day well. Some guys have breezed through the first 2 times, why not let them see a third time. Not every pitcher will have it going each day so if the guys is going well, no need to pull him for a pen arm just because math history says so, let the game develop for each game.
    3 points
  32. Sconnie

    Moving on from Big Mike

    While I agree with the OP that Pineda is on the decline and won’t get any healthier, this Team needs to acquire 3 starting pitchers this offseason. They won’t sign 3 multi-year at 20 million per season free agents. If Pineda is the 4th or 5th starter, the worst acquired, and a Happ type signing, that’s OK. If Pineda is the best pitcher they acquire, there’s a problem.
    2 points
  33. I have been on the side of extending Pineda, but with what I have seen lately, I'm extremely leery of it now. I'd like a veteran presence in the rotation, but unless it's a very team friendly extension, I'd be very nervous about it now.
    2 points
  34. Gordon with a start at SS ... and Jovani Moran up ... maybe we'll see him out of the pen tonight
    2 points
  35. I suppose I should state a preference here. Simply, I don't. I expect one or both will get bona fide better offers when their contracts expire at the end of 2024, and they'll leave. That's the business called MLB. Change for the sake of change rarely results in any real improvements, in my experience. Just swapping one set of systemic issues for a different set, which could be good, bad, or simply ugly.
    2 points
  36. Jovani Moran up. Albers down, Dobnak to 60 day IL
    2 points
  37. wabene

    How quickly we Forget

    How can you be old-timey and also post memes?
    2 points
  38. I'm not saying Pineada is the answer to any questions or prayers, but with Maeda likely gone for the entire 2022 season, the returning starters without Pineada are Bailey Ober, Griffin Jax, John Gant??, Lewis Thorpe??, Randy Dobnak??, and Joe Ryan. I'm far from being a front office expert, but those names indicate a need for at least 3 free agent starters. Maybe I'm still scarred by Happ and Shoemaker, but I don't know if this front office can sign 3 free agent starters who are better than Pineada.
    2 points
  39. Another great example of why Rocco is probably not the right guy to coach this club in the future. With this team likely getting much younger and filled with more prospects transitioning into true big leaguers, fundamentals trump analytics.
    2 points
  40. I'd rather steer clear of Pineda, but I think the Twins bring him back.
    2 points
  41. Yea, and pretty badly at that. I have said for years that Buxton should be getting 30-40 bunt singles a year with his speed, but he doesn't want to. So when we need it the most, he isn't able to. And no one on this team cares, because the bunt goes against the analytics. Frustrating to watch at times.
    2 points
  42. Too bad Rocco couldn't stay on paternity leave for the rest of his contract!
    2 points
  43. DocBauer

    How quickly we Forget

    OK, I finally am caught up enough to say I love a post and say THIS! They absolutely had to re-build the pitching staff. I know Berrios is gone now, but the Odorizzi and Maeda trades were brilliant. In fact, despite the suspension interruption that was a major bummer and complication, the idea of singing Pineda on a rebound deal was very smart. Borderline brilliant when you look at what he's done when healthy. I think the biggest problem in regard to "decisions" for 2021 is retrospective. And that's not really fair. Again, while we didn't all agree on every choice made, most of us, and the "experts" thought they made smart moves. Proves back of the napkin smart ideas just don't always work out. Agree with what is sitting at AA and AAA. There are a lot of kids getting ready and could be ready really soon.
    2 points
  44. They had ample talent, but they aren't good at bringing in talent......ok. You completely ignored the whole part about results.... Winning the division two straight years. Dropping the team ERA from awful to great. Are either of those indicative of them being idiots who only sell the future?
    2 points
  45. Also, the fact that the current FO had to do so much work to rebuild the pitching staff is a strike against the idea that they just inherited a sure-fire winner. Yes, they had some nice offensive players, but they weren't going to be able to build an entire staff (which they mostly had to do) AND draft their way to sustainability in two and a half years. Their first draft was 2017, which meant they had 2018, 2019, and the weird Covid year to have talent ready to contribute. I'm not sure that timeline is fair to conclude they just can't develop players. That test, IMO, is still to be decided. I'm disappointed with their decisions this year, but I'm intrigued by what is sitting in AA and AAA right now. I'd prefer to make next year a major test and 2023 is make or break. They've earned some leash with the work they've done and the potential they have fostered, but it's much more tenuous now than it was at this time a year ago. Even circling the idea that they rode Ryan's coattails to gimme postseason berths and a 100+ win team is really an unfair argument against them.
    2 points
  46. a-wan

    How quickly we Forget

    The current regime gets hit by fans because it is seen as stat nerds running their computer game, while Terry Ryan was seen as a die hard baseball guy. Nothing is going to change that, I.e. Viola and old cranks complaining about everything. Like Brock said the ‘16 team was bad. Happ and Shoemaker both had ERA+ around 100 recently. Their completed collapse, every one in the bullpen sucking are not complete surprises, but collectively is some bad luck. That and the timing of their bullpen sucking didn’t help either.
    2 points
  47. The biggest hangup that I have with this guaranteed to be good core is that only one of them was a pitcher. And he wasn't even a legitimate ace. Even in today's game, you don't win without pitching. This FO is what put that pitching around the position player core and filled out pitching staffs and the remaining position players. While I think it crazy to say that a group of players will win regardless, even accepting that notion still ignores the pitching that got them to where they did go. If 2019 showed us anything, it's that teams still can't solely hit their way through the playoffs. Pitching is still required. It's perfectly reasonable to give credit to the previous regime for the position player group and acknowledge the current FO for their contribution. The last two division titles don't happen without contributions from both.
    2 points
  48. This argument is so wildly inconsistent and one-sided it makes my head spin. The 2016 squad was injured but the 2021 squad is just bad. Here are the five years of winning percentage of the Ryan administration: .407, .407, .432, .512, .364 Here are the five years of winning percentage of the Falvey administration: .525, .481, .623, .600, .443 This "disastrous" 2021 season would have been literally THE SECOND BEST SEASON under Ryan. You're talking about the great young core - and there was a solid young core, no doubt - but the Twins were exiting THEIR WORST SEASON IN HISTORY and fresh off a season where the team fielded players like Byung Ho Park, John Ryan Murphy, Kurt Suzuki, Ricky Nolasco, the desiccated husks of Phil Hughes and Glen Perkins, etc. etc etc. The 2016 squad wasn't "ravaged by injuries", they were simply a terrible ****ing baseball team, one FAR WORSE than the 2021 squad... and that was the fifth year of bad baseball, excepting the decent-but-still-nothing 2015 season. And let's not even get into the draft picks that preceded those seasons where literally a mediocre 11th man was the best outcome out of three consecutive top six picks. Falvey also inherited that complete failure of drafting, one that still reverberates today. You're not even attempting to be objective about this front office, gunnar. Up until about 15 minutes ago, you have referenced 2016 as a "total system failure" more times than I can count but now that it's a conversation about the Falvey front office, that 2016 squad was just injured and had so much potential. I'm not even making excuses for Falvey, I've been particularly disappointed in their pitching development, but let's inject a dose of reality into this situation. Ryan's teams showed little signs of returning to respectability while this front office has won more often than it has lost.
    2 points
  49. While there's a lot of merit to your post, this comment feels really disingenuous. You mention they "nearly" made the playoffs in 2015 but fail to mention that they fielded literally the worst team in Twins history in 2016. Let's not pretend as if they didn't inherit a truly awful baseball team, sporting the worst record the franchise has posted in 60 years of Minnesota baseball.
    2 points
  50. As we know the smart can sometimes outsmart themselves. The sabermetrics can convince you not to steal, not to bunt, to swing for the fences, to replace starters before they lose their effectiveness instead of stretching them to save an overworked BP. Time to mix baseball experience and smart with the new tools and try again.
    2 points
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