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  1. FO has been busy negotiating with Jack Cave.
    32 points
  2. I'm surprised about so many of the aspects of this contract. First, that the Twins were able to convince him to accept big MVP bonuses and not plate appearance bonuses, ensuring that performance, not health, will escalate the contract. Second, no opt out or anything, full no-trade clause (good for Buck!). Remember, Buxton *should* be a free agent *right now* but the front office hosed him very intentionally. Byron appears to be a very forgiving man and we should all be thankful for it. This is a very team-friendly contract.
    30 points
  3. Since Buxton first joined the team in 2015, he’s only had one year with 500 plate appearances, and indeed only one with over 331. His injuries have ranged from seemingly self-inflicted problems due to his aggressive defense in center field, to worrisome nagging injuries like hip strains and foot injuries, to flukey injuries like a broken finger from being hit by a pitch. On the other hand, he’s been absolutely elite defensively throughout his time with the Twins, and recently his offense has reached a similar level. This year he hit .306 with 19 home runs in just 61 games, a pace that makes him a 50-home run threat over a full season. He’s also only 27 years old, entering the peak period of many players' careers. He is due to be a free agent next offseason, compelling the Twins to either sign him to an extension or trade him this offseason, lest they risk having him leave next year for nothing more than a compensatory draft pick. That urgency is further heightened by the threat of an impending work stoppage starting as soon as Wednesday night. If an extension or trade iss not made by then, there is a chance any such move would be delayed until some unknown point in a potentially compressed offseason, or thwarted altogether. A deal would likely represent the biggest deal the Twins have made since they signed Joe Mauer to a contract extension in 2010 for $184 million dollars. That deal was also for a rare talent who contributed defensively, was at the peak of his ability, and on the verge of free agency. The deal with Mauer aged poorly, as leg problems and concussions limited his ability to stay at catcher and stay in the lineup. With Buxton having more health questions, the reality is it makes him more affordable; it’s unlikely the Twins could complete a deal without the built-in discount his health history affords them. The Mauer deal also took place as the Twins were completing a run of division-winning seasons and trying to lengthen their competitive window. Twins’ management’s next to-do for this offseason is to find some starting pitchers whom Buxton’s Gold Glove can assist with his range in center field. While the size of Buxton’s deal is likely significant, the Twins entered the offseason with as much as $50M or so to spend on free agents. A deal with Buxton is likely to maintain that capability. Indeed, Ken Rosenthal has just published contract details: The extension guarantees $15M per year (except this year, when he still would've been under arbitration) plus very large bonuses for MVP bonuses and a series of $500K bonuses if he stays healthy for over 500 plate appearances. It is a very creative contract. I can't think of any that has had a bonus structure remotely similar to it. The deal essentially rewards Buxton extra money for staying healthy for a full season, handsomely for MVP-caliber production, but still guarantees him base salary commensurate to a top center fielder. If the Twins had traded Buxton instead, it would be hard for them to pretend that they could expect to be competitive in 2022. They would have lost their best offensive and defensive player, while also trying to replace 60% of their starting rotation. Retaining Buxton keeps the option of competing in 2022 alive. It should also make him one of the core pieces of the next competitive Twins team. Further pieces will still need to be assembled, but the deal represents a serious effort by the Twins to compete by locking up high-end home-grown talent for a long time. We'll add details as they emerge. In the meantime, give us your initial thoughts below.
    26 points
  4. I honestly don't understand what the hell is going on over at 1 Twins Way right now. While I was mildly in favor of the Berríos trade at the time, that trade is a lot harder to swallow in light of Jose signing on through most of the rest of his career for $120m. This front office didn't hesitate to give an obviously aging Josh Donaldson $95m so what the hell was the holdup with giving Jose, a hometown star, $25m more over a bunch more seasons that will see him exit the contract at roughly the same age Donaldson was when he signed his contract? Never mind the apparent cluster**** with Buxton right now. We've heard rumblings over $100m being a sticking point, which is only $5m more than they gave a mid-30s Josh Donaldson. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blasting the Donaldson contract, I'm only wondering why that was able to get done with little theatrics while Berrios and Buxton seem to face insurmountable hurdles while both are still well shy of 30 years old, never mind their already-existing attachment within Twins Territory. Now that I think of it, this front office hasn't signed a single hometown player to a multi-year deal, as least that I can recall. Again, what the hell?!?!?! I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this front office is willing to pay for "their guy" but become obsinate about any existing Twins player that fans know and actively enjoy watching play. We've bought jerseys of these players, we have emotional connections to them, there are a dozen reasons to keep any number of them over constantly washing laundry via free agency. This is not a good look for a spectator-driven sport that makes its money from fan engagement.
    24 points
  5. This isn't an unreasonable take IF the Twins can pick up someone like Stroman for Berrios-type money. Obviously, I'd rather have Berrios over Stroman straight up but Stroman + Austin Martin + Simeon Woods-Richardson for Berrios money becomes a much harder decision, at least for me. (I'm only using Stroman as a placeholder name here, insert your pitcher of choice) What bothers me is that if Berrios was willing to sign for that kind of money, the Twins should have wrapped up a deal long before July of 2021. The fact he was willing to sign for a rather reasonable price but the front office traded him anyway is what irks the hell out of me, particularly with the exact same decision looming over Buxton this offseason.
    24 points
  6. If this front office needs to enter a rebuild phase in year five of their tenure, someone else can handle that rebuild. Falvey and Levine should be fired if that's their strategy. If those two want to run a franchise like they're in Cleveland, fine, go somewhere else and do it.
    22 points
  7. There's still a lot of offseason left to go but after the Berrios extension in Toronto and its relatively reasonable dollar figure, let's just say it's unlikely I will support this front office remaining in control if they trade Byron Buxton. The Minnesota Twins are not the Cleveland Guardians or the Tampa Bay Rays and I'm gonna be mad as hell if they try to operate that way.
    22 points
  8. This is a pretty team friendly deal. Makes me wonder what took so long? Really looking forward to watching Buck for the next 7 years.
    21 points
  9. Your tentativeness is killing the outraged mob.
    19 points
  10. I’d rather have Berrios. The results are mixed when we divide that $20 million between multiple players instead of one player that we know is really good: Happ, Colomé, Shoemaker - disaster Bailey, Hill, Pineda, Clippard, Romo - meh The updated contract is out for Berrios - it’s 5/$83 before his opt out, and between $24-29 million for the final 2 years based on his performance in years 4 and 5 of the contract. Quite team friendly if you ask me.
    19 points
  11. If we somehow end up trading Berrios and Buxton within a calendar year of each other, I’m going to have to take some time to see if I really want to prioritize the Twins and MLB in my free time. The pain is going to be too much to handle. The FO created 2 self-inflicting, horribly managed situations. There’s still time to right this ship before it’s too late and a trade occurs
    19 points
  12. Well...some. We had a sizable contingent saying anything less than 150M was a slap in the face and he'd get at least 25M AAV. This deal says a lot about Buck wanting to be here. It also says a lot about what his agents thought would be available in FA.
    18 points
  13. Is Jake Cave related to someone in the FO? Please don't subject us to watching another season of him swinging and missing.
    18 points
  14. "There’s no denying that this front office has done a great job establishing a strong culture and organizational structure." Um, can I deny this? Great article, but I would actually like to question this assertion. Basically, have they? What does "strong culture" mean here? Their teams aren't particularly tough, they don't play fundamental baseball, young players don't play particularly well here when they start and homegrown players now don't seem to want to sign here. Plus, they don't evaluate talent well, and have lost a ton of value in prospects for absolutely zero return. I see this as on often-cited reason why we're supposed to be patient with their moves, but I do not see it. What about this organizational structure is so strong?
    18 points
  15. Possibly, I’m at Buffalo Wild Wings.
    17 points
  16. You maybe, but not "we." There is no chance I look back on this with remorse. None. There is absolutely NOTHING the Twins could have done with $100m this offseason that would have been money better spent. If Buxton never gets another PA, I won't complain.
    16 points
  17. Looks like 7 years 131M. I defended the FO not extending him as him possibly asking for way too much, but if this is what he was asking the Twins for I'm pretty upset. He was absolutely worth that for the Twins and they should've signed that deal. I like Martin a lot, and SWR looks good, but it's really frustrating that it took less than 20 a year to sign him.
    16 points
  18. This was pretty much a no-brainer in my opinion. While spending $4m on Colome is actually pretty reasonable, there's no reason to aggravate the fan base by keeping him for 2022, as Colome is eminently replaceable at that price.
    16 points
  19. I find myself in the minority once again, but I can see bringing back Simmons for continuity sake, and for the defense he would provide what may very well be a young and inexperienced pitching staff. He would have to take a cut, but he would have to take that anywhere and I believe his bat will improve after a down year. He remained healthy last year and appears to be pretty durable. When the right internal candidate has a breakthrough he can take the job and run with it, but in the meantime it would help to have a gold glove caliber glove behind a pitching staff that is very likely to need it. DON'T move Polanco; in his case it screams if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And he ain't broke.
    15 points
  20. The owners of Major League Baseball locked out the players just after midnight on Thursday morning, ensuring baseball’s first work stoppage in over a quarter century. And Shad Browne knows who to blame. “These players are greedy and entitled, I’m sick of ‘em,” said the Fairmont landscaper. “They get paid money to play a game and sometimes you’ve gotta take a stand.” The owners, wealthier than the players by a monstrous degree and living lives of unimaginable luxury, do not receive the same level of disdain from Browne. “Lotta these owners are entrepreneurs who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps to make their money,” said Browne incorrectly. “Meanwhile, the modern player just takes a day off when they feel like it. The way I see it, you don’t play, you don’t get paid.” Browne, who took PTO last Monday because the Vikings lost and he was “super hungover,” said he sees a lot of himself in owners, despite this being remarkably untrue. “They’re just trying to run a business same as anyone else,” he said with the steady resolve that only the deeply ignorant possess. “I guess I’d just like to see a little more gratitude and a little less attitude from the millennial generation.” Browne, who used the word “meritocracy” in reference to a country where you don’t have to work a day in your life if your great-granddad sold mustard gas to Kaiser Wilhelm, dismissed the notion that the owners should take some of the blame for instigating the lockout they instigated. “At the end of the day, they’ve got a business to run,” said Browne, for whom the concept of generational wealth has never so much as registered for one second of one day. “If the players can’t handle that, they can get a job just like anyone else. “It’s just not right,” said the cornfed rube.
    15 points
  21. The trick is not to accumulate pitchers. That's easy. I guarantee the Twins will break camp with 13 or 14 pitchers next spring. As will every team. The trick is to accumulate pitchers who are better than other team's pitchers. "He could be gone tomorrow" is no more a good thing for a pitcher than "he's cheap to cut" was a good thing for Jake Cave.
    15 points
  22. I nominate Cody as the FO's official bargain shopper. Seriously, these were well-researched and well-reasoned suggestions. If we're going to continue to be a team that relies on finding diamonds in the rough, we better at least be good at it.
    15 points
  23. Would you rather the Twins had offered Berrios the same contract as the Blue Jays inJuly, or traded him for what they got and have the $20M to spend for the next six years (which might well be spend this offseason on a long-term deal). I'll start: I'd take the trade. Granted, I'd feel a lot better if I knew that the $20M would be spent on a pitcher as good or better than Berrios (Ray, Gaussman, etc), but even it it's used to pick up two of DeSclafini/Matz/Wood/Gray/Cobb, I think I'd rather have that and two fairly high-end prospects than Berrios in what should be his declining years. Am I wrong? (If your answer is some version of "they won't spend it" don't expect any kind of thoughtful response from me. This management team has shown they spend their budget and no more. I don't see any evidence they'll be pocketing the money, or that they would have stretched the budget for Berrios.)
    15 points
  24. not even one bit. Sano, Donaldson, Rooker, Larnach, Garver all say hello. If they spend money to get better in the short term, it 100% should not be on a DH only. If they go after on batter, it better be a SS.
    15 points
  25. How the Front Office handles this off season is really going to determine how I feel about them as leaders long term for our Twins. They've demonstrated in the past the willingness to spend money on players like Donaldson and Nelson - but perhaps they're being forced to rein in the spending now? To lose Berrios on what appears to be a fair contract, and now to potentially lose Buxton as well isn't a good look. If they "whiff" on all the FA starting pitchers this year and elect to go with retreads or in-house guys won't look good despite their ability to develop pitchers elsewhere. If we elect to simply resign someone like Simmons at SS will also simply add to the impression that either they simply don't truly desire to put a quality product on the field - or are the Polads turning frugal again after low revenues in 2020 and 2021? Either way - as fans we should not be pleased. They have a lot on their plate - I hope they elect to be competitive.
    15 points
  26. Yeah, this one is going to require an explanation from the organization.
    15 points
  27. My idea for an unconventional staff is having three sets of three pitchers that all throw three innings each every three days. Mix and match lefties and righties in each group so opponents can't just stack their lineup to one side. Also try to mix different pitch styles, flamethrowers with guys with nasty breaking stuff, etc. Those three groups take up 9 roster spots, which still leaves you with 3-4 guys for spot matchups, or relief for someone having an off day, or just to give someone a day off every now and then. Since they're only pitching three innings they can throw a little harder than if they were trying to go six or seven innings, and they only need to have two decent pitches since they're only facing most batters just once.
    15 points
  28. If they were worried about losing him, I doubt they would have put him on waivers; there's still a ton of names they could remove from the 40-man without regret. People got upset about the Cave situation last week and here it looks like they played it exactly right. They paid him just enough to make sure no other team would claim him and now they get to stash a CF capable player in AAA for as ever long as they need. The front office has been very disappointing this off season, but this was actually pretty clever.
    14 points
  29. I love this deal for Twins fans. Byron Buxton will be in MN and not kicking butt for the Dodgers or the Mets or god only knows whom. If Buxton is happy with it, then that's great for him. It gives him life-changing, generational wealth, which is terrific. I don't care about whether it costs ownership; the Pohlads are doing fine and will always do fine. From a franchise perspective and being a team with more limits on payroll than some other teams, this is great too. Huge bonuses for MVP? Sure. If Byron Buxton wins an MVP, he'll deserve every penny of those multi-million bonuses and the club should be happy to pay it. I had assumed that the sticking point was escalators, not bonuses; if they were getting jammed up on stuff like this earlier in the summer then someone needs to give some wakeup calls to the FO, because good lord this is pretty ideal for the team. Sure, you don't have the same cost certainty when there could be a multi-million dollar bonus hanging out there, but a) if he wins it the revenues will probably be pretty strong, and b) you could simply escrow a year's potential bonus and wait on it if you're that concerned about payroll certainty. The PA bonuses are also ones that the team should be thrilled to pay, because if Buxton is on the field that much, then the potential $2.5M increase is worth it. Byron Buxton could be the best player in all of baseball and the most we'll have to pay him will be like $25M. And with the way it's structured, this is a deal that's going to age really well. But mostly, I'm just super happy that the most singularly exciting player in my Twins lifetime (and I'm not young) is staying with the team. Losing Byron Buxton because we wouldn't pay him a good, but under market contract would have been soul-crushing. He's one of our guys. We've seen him from the start, and there's something wonderfully joyous about having a player who combines such great skill with excitement and happiness be on your team for 10+ years of their career all the way from the start, and uniquely painful if they leave during their prime. Today is a great day for Twins fans.
    13 points
  30. Seems like a fair deal for all involved. The avg salary shouldn't keep the FO from pursuing FAs. Now let's hope he reaches some of those bonuses.
    13 points
  31. I'm not sure it has to do with "Their Guys"; I got that vibe more from the Terry Ryan org. than this one. The vibe I get from Falvine is that they are constantly trying to prove that they are the smartest guys in the room. And they frequently outsmart themselves.
    13 points
  32. You make the calls, you get the credit when it works and the heat when it fails. The Berrios deal is making them look poor; I can understand the principle of not wanting to go 7 years on arms, but you can't apply blanket rules to anything in baseball. There are always exceptions to everything and the deal Berrios appears to have signed is one the Twins should have been willing to do. they got a good return on him in trade, but if Martin & Woods-Richardson don't pan out, then it's meaningless. The Buxton one is making them look even worse, because it sounds like they really are trying to low ball him and find an excuse to deal him, and that's not going to sit well with the fanbase, nor should it. If feeling some heat on this causes them to get a deal done...good.
    13 points
  33. This Buxton situation has completely stymied the Twins front office apparently. "I'm having a really hard time connecting the dots here." - This is almost everyone, both Twins fans and those who follow baseball around the country. Something is amiss and it is frustrating to wait for the other shoe to fall. As to the possibilities .... it seems what numbers were shared/published are likely real or quite close. The other three possibilities seem much more to the heart of the problem in signing Buxton: the Twins don't believe in Byron, he is ready to move, and the Twins do not intend to pay for a Buxton contract. Whew, this is too much to get our head around. I mean the Twins could put a team on the field that does better than last year's record for $100 million. That team would need to include Buxton, even if the bill for BB was $25 million (a quarter of the payroll). Without Buxton, the Twins need to go into a full rebuild like Baltimore or boost the payroll to $150 million. So many posts and the article in The Athletic puts a new twist in our expectations/hopes for Twins baseball. How is it possible that Falvey is still analyzing their own roster and wondering what to do? The quote from The Athletic was somewhat disturbing. “Now, we’re working through understanding all sides of this ultimately. We’ll proceed accordingly. At this stage of the offseason, we’re still just navigating our strategy and planning and trying to understand what’s available to us and what the market looks like on all periods. As is always the case, this isn’t unique to Byron or otherwise, there are people on our team that are interesting to other clubs and we just always need to work through what does that look like, what does our team look like as we navigate it.” This entire past year has been confusing. My default is to accept what Falvey sees as best for making the Twins competitive, even when I disagree. The unfolding of this drama with Buxton causes me to question. Yah, what the hell is going on?
    13 points
  34. @Tom Froemmingtweeting my feelings this morning… Ugh.
    13 points
  35. Good stuff, fun to think about this. Some team is going to do it eventually. Once one finds a way to get it right, I think it won't be long before this is just normal. In addition to shifting guys who've traditionally started into multi-inning relief roles, it shouldn't be difficult to also stretch traditional relievers into multi-inning guys. Down in the minors, it seems more common than not that a guy records more than three outs. Take Jovani Moran as an example. He made 40 relief appearances last year and only recorded three or fewer outs in four of them. He recorded six outs or more in 22 outings and eight+ outs in eight of his appearances. There's been a lot of exploration in the big leagues the past decade but it's still pretty paint-by-numbers when it comes to bullpen/reliever usage.
    13 points
  36. Megill seems to have some pretty intriguing peripheral numbers. Good strikeout and walk rates and good velocity. Usually the tall guys either struggle with walks, or are surprisingly soft tossers. I don't really want him taking up a 40-man spot, but I guess he'll do for now. And uh, based on the consensus feeling on this site, a bag of M&Ms taking up a roster spot was preferable to Jake Cave, so obviously that part's a win.
    12 points
  37. $22M for an MVP season would be an absolute steal
    12 points
  38. Infield defense is less important than ever but it still matters, particularly depending on your pitching staff. If you have a rotation with Dobnak in it, a good SS helps. If you have a rotation with Dobnak and Stroman in it, it'd be downright foolish not to field a good defensive SS. And remember that defense tends to bite one in the ass particularly hard in the postseason. Polanco alone basically guaranteed a loss in the postseason with his defense at least once.
    12 points
  39. If it would take the 4 prospects you list to get him then it's an absolute NO. 4 prospects for a 1 year stop-gap pitcher? NEVER.
    12 points
  40. Feels like much ado about nothing with Cave. He's easily cuttable. They didn't give him 10M or something. I don't like him and have no problem with people preferring they had just released him, but lets not make this out to be more than it is. Less than $1M to a 4th outfielder they'll cut immediately if/when they find a better option. Now on to the other players being thrown around as preferable over Cave. Yes, Castellanos and Canha are far better options, but, again, Cave signed for 800K, those 2 are getting way, way, way more than that. They're not the same type of signing. It's like saying "why did we extend Kepler? I would've signed Bryce Harper over Kepler." Yes, Bryce is far better, but they're not comparable signings. Clint Frazier can't play CF. We need to stop that talk right now. I don't like Cave in center, but Frazier is a Rooker-esque corner outfielder. As in one of the worst defenders in all of baseball. In fact, Rooker may be the best comp for Frazier there is on the Twins right now. Better contact skills, but he's a power corner bat who's a negative asset in the field. I wouldn't be upset with bringing him in, or even him replacing Cave, but lets not make him out to be what he isn't. He's a terrible fielder. I'd take him over Cave because I'd use Gordon in CF before I'd use Cave. But I'd never use Frazier there. But let's pump the brakes on the Cave rage. He's my least favorite Twin right now, and I don't think he plays a role on a contending team, but it's not even Thanksgiving yet, and he's on an incredibly releasable 1 year contract.
    12 points
  41. Classic North Metro halfwit Tom Hanson has seen enough. With the Twins allegedly looking to move Byron Buxton, the self-taught expert on epidemiology thinks the franchise is overlooking the best path forward. “He oughta pay them to play centerfield,” said the frequently-divorced electrician. “Bet he lands on the injured list reaching for his wallet, lol.” Hanson, who frequently interrupted his interview to speculate on the accuracy of Dominion Voting Systems machinery, credits Buxton’s injury history with this outside-the-box notion. “He’s hurt all the time, and the whole insurance game is a racket,” mused Hanson. “I bet they’ve paid more on premiums for him than salary. And I bet he hasn’t thanked them for either one.” Hanson, who has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, the Star Tribune comments section, Rube Chat, YouTube, and the Perkins chain of family restaurants, said Buxton reminds him of another Twins great, and not in a good way. “Joe Mauer must have taught (Buxton) that if you say you’re hurt, these suckers will believe you every time,” said Hanson. “I almost respect it. Must be nice to make $23 million a year to hit singles and then not even do that because your quote-unquote concussion hurts. Must be real nice.” When told that one of the quoted figures for a potential Byron Buxton deal was 7 years for $100 million, Hanson was livid. “You could have a lunch pail, 110% effort guy like Zach Granite or Jake Cave who’ll go out there every day and compete for a fraction of that, or you could have a prima donna like Buxton,” exclaimed Hanson. “The fact that they’d choose the latter is just another example of the woke cancel culture infecting our society.” Hanson would not elaborate on what that meant but did say it also applied to his local school board, KARE 11 meteorologist Belinda Jensen, maternity leave, paternity leave, rap music, Home Depot, his first, third, and fourth wives, and Little Free Libraries.
    12 points
  42. 5/83 isn't a meaningful baseline for the comparison. Berrios is still guaranteed 7/131, unless he elects to forgo the last 2/48. I think any team would give Berrios 5/83 right now, but not every team would give him 7/131.
    12 points
  43. Polanco will certainly bring back more in a trade return than Arraez. Also, this is probably Polanco’s peak in player value. I would like to keep Polanco and trade Arraez instead if we are still attempting to compete in 2022. However, that belief to compete is highly dependent on Buxton staying with the Twins. If he’s traded, then yes, make a pivot and sell high on Polanco, Garver, and Rogers.
    12 points
  44. If the Twins truly are not willing to pay Buxton $14M a year REGARDLESS of performance (miss 140 games, put up 1 WAR? Fourteen Million. Play 150 games, put up 8 WAR, win MVP? Fourteen Million)...then I just don't know what to say.
    12 points
  45. Same. I'm shocked that this is what it took to get it done. Either he suddenly discovered that he really loved it in Toronto, or the Twins were really low-balling him, or there was something about MN he just didn't like but I was 100% convinced he wasn't signing an extension and was going to the free agent market.
    12 points
  46. I don't mind opt-out deals for the team. If the player is good, it sucks to lose him but also, it means you received a great performance value for a few years and aren't on the hook for the decline years. I take that trade-off almost every time, especially in pitchers where decline often comes suddenly and sharply and injury is a persistent concern.
    12 points
  47. The Twins have needs and available free agents can fill those needs. I don’t see the point in trying to wait.
    11 points
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