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Twins to Promote Olympic Medalist Joe Ryan, Slated to Start Wednesday


25 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

He may be our staff ace but that's b/c the staff is a joke. He's getting called up in Sept of his 25th year. By the same time, Berrios was a two time all star and had made nearly 100 ML starts.

I think Ryan will be a real ML pitcher and capable of staying up in the majors. But he won't be as good as Berrios. He's a solid back of the rotation pitcher. Which we need.

Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

I also hope I’m wrong. 

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3 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

I also hope I’m wrong. 

I think 3 is his starter peak, but if they had starters, he'd probably be a great RP, like Joe Nathan like.....that said, they have only 1 starter for next year, so he needs to start.....

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People don't like hair, but beer drinking unhealthy obesity is just fine for them, as long as the hair is short. Go figure.

Joe didn't need any warmup in St. Paul after what I saw in the wee hours during the Olympics, and he proceded in short order to demonstrate what a waste of time that was, but whatever. Glad they got with it and loaded him up to the show. Looking forward......

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2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah, I can’t really see him peaking higher than a #3 but that’s valuable.

I also hope I’m wrong. 

Berrios is a 2nd or 3rd starter on most competitive pitching rosters. Not really a high bar. He could easily put up Berrios numbers. 

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Regarding Ryan’s potential as a top, mid, or backend starter, I think his unique profile makes him really hard to predict. Not many guys throw a single pitch so often, especially fastballs. Most guys who do are relievers. Even so, Ryan has been successful in the minors due in large part to his unusual arm motion. To my amateur eyes, his ceiling is a bit better than what we got in Berrios. A less good (but still acceptable) outcome is that he throws quality innings from the bullpen. I think a fair expectation is something like Lance McCullers, but with lots of fastballs instead of curves: a dependable mid rotation arm you trust to compete in a playoff series. 

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5 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

Keep the hair, keep the swagger.  This is exciting, even if his first appearance goes bad, he has made the jump and I think it will be a real boost to the team.

Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, wrote that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

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Just now, RickOShea said:

Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

Personally, long, sweaty hair rubbing against my neck would bother the hell out of me.

Just now, RickOShea said:

Jim Bouton, in his book Ball Four, that a short haircut, a buzz, if you will, added x number of perceived mph to his fastball.

He also said his nickname, Bulldog, enhanced his persona, as well.

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5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Guess they weren't playing service time games with Ryan (shocker some here were wrong about that).....

I think most of the service time conjecture was because people couldn't wrap their minds around why he wasn't already on the 40 man and up with the MLB club.  One of the few explanations left was service time because there wasn't really any other reason for them not to bring him up. So not too surprised people would go there.  Maybe a little early but we've seen it before when it doesn't make sense.  Most likely MIranda will be the next one with that conjecture because he has little left to prove as well and crickets to this point.

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29 minutes ago, Dman said:

I think most of the service time conjecture was because people couldn't wrap their minds around why he wasn't already on the 40 man and up with the MLB club.  One of the few explanations left was service time because there wasn't really any other reason for them not to bring him up. So not too surprised people would go there.  Maybe a little early but we've seen it before when it doesn't make sense.  Most likely MIranda will be the next one with that conjecture because he has little left to prove as well and crickets to this point.

In Ryan's case, not being called up made a lot of sense. He only started two games after the uneven schedule of the Olympics.

Miranda? You got me there. I feel he should have been with the team when Donaldson couldn't play third. I suspect it's a 40-man decision but I still don't like it.

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I am not going to look it up again but there is a press release about the brand of baseball used in the Olympics; Ryan loved them and said U.S. pro-ball should use it.

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43 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

In Ryan's case, not being called up made a lot of sense. He only started two games after the uneven schedule of the Olympics.

Miranda? You got me there. I feel he should have been with the team when Donaldson couldn't play third. I suspect it's a 40-man decision but I still don't like it.

Right but I think the article that started those comments was why isn't Ryan in the majors or something like that.  Service time would fall under  the reasons why.

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

Right but I think the article that started those comments was why isn't Ryan in the majors or something like that.  Service time would fall under  the reasons why.

I don't really see how you draw that conclusion. Ryan went to the Olympics, pitched on an erratic schedule, returned and started two games, and now is going to pitch in Minneapolis.

That's pretty clearly a development and preparation decision with little to nothing to do with service time.

When could the Twins have called up Ryan, the day before he pitched the semifinal game in Tokyo? The timeline doesn't work out.

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25 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I don't really see how you draw that conclusion. Ryan went to the Olympics, pitched on an erratic schedule, returned and started two games, and now is going to pitch in Minneapolis.

That's pretty clearly a development and preparation decision with little to nothing to do with service time.

When could the Twins have called up Ryan, the day before he pitched the semifinal game in Tokyo? The timeline doesn't work out.

I don't know You tell me isn't this the statement that got some of us wondering if service time might be an issue?

 

Joe Ryan was in Tokyo pitching for Team USA until... he wasn't. And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever. Every start the Twins give to the likes of Andrew Albers into September is one fewer start they can use to evaluate the likes of Joe Ryan.

The Twins were put into a really bad situation with Strotman struggling, Ryan in Tokyo, and seemingly half their minor leagues injured. I'm willing to be patient when things spiral out of the team's control and they're forced to run Charlie Barnes out there every fifth day.

Except my patience runs out when other, vastly superior options become available. And as of about 8pm yesterday, a *very* attractive option became available and the Uber ride to Target Field won't even cost the team $30.

Two games and this is what he has done. Never mind that he pitched to a 1.50 ERA in the Olympics, including a 4.1 IP with 1 ER in the silver medal game against Team Japan.

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4 minutes ago, Dman said:

Joe Ryan was in Tokyo pitching for Team USA until... he wasn't. And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever. Every start the Twins give to the likes of Andrew Albers into September is one fewer start they can use to evaluate the likes of Joe Ryan.

The Twins were put into a really bad situation with Strotman struggling, Ryan in Tokyo, and seemingly half their minor leagues injured. I'm willing to be patient when things spiral out of the team's control and they're forced to run Charlie Barnes out there every fifth day.

Except my patience runs out when other, vastly superior options become available. And as of about 8pm yesterday, a *very* attractive option became available and the Uber ride to Target Field won't even cost the team $30.

Two games and this is what he has done. Never mind that he pitched to a 1.50 ERA in the Olympics, including a 4.1 IP with 1 ER in the silver medal game against Team Japan.

Yeah, this is quoting me. And guess what, Joe Ryan literally will not make another start with the Saints and the Twins are doing exactly what they should be doing.

Which was my point all along. After all, I said...

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And while I supported the logical step of letting him have a few starts in the Twins organization to re-acclimate himself to the cycles of American baseball and familiarize himself with his new organization, this season isn't going to last forever.

And then the Twins called him up six days later. I find it hard to complain when they do the things I'm vocal about wanting them to do. They literally did exactly what I wanted them to do.

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6 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah, this is quoting me. And guess what, Joe Ryan literally will not make another start with the Saints and the Twins are doing exactly what they should be doing.

Which was my point all along. After all, I said...

And then the Twins called him up six days later. I find it hard to complain when they do the things I'm vocal about them doing.

Right and Mike said gee whiz why would people think this might be a service time issue and I said golly gee whiz we all were wondering why they weren't calling him up.  So I am simply stating I can see why people would think that since you literally put the same thing out like a day or two ago.  That's it.  Nothing that controversial I don't think.

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2 hours ago, Dman said:

Right and Mike said gee whiz why would people think this might be a service time issue and I said golly gee whiz we all were wondering why they weren't calling him up.  So I am simply stating I can see why people would think that since you literally put the same thing out like a day or two ago.  That's it.  Nothing that controversial I don't think.

Fair enough! Though my personal point was significantly more nuanced and deserves recognition as such.

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