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Article: Changing Focus: The Danny Valencia & Francisco Liriano Moves


Looking forward to 2013, with our rotation of Liam Hendriks, Nick Blackburn, PJ Walters, Scott Diamond, and the washed-up remains of wily veteran innings-eater...like Carl Pavano.

 

Kyle Gibson should be beside himself right now...uninjured, he's the ace. Coming off of TJ surgery, he'll be mediocre for the first year or so.

 

Wake me up when it's 2014.

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I suspect the same. Carroll, mostly. Some Plouffe.

Exactly what a rebuilding team playing .250 baseball should be doing...investing time in a 38 yr old 3bman who has trouble hitting enough to stay at SS.

 

Sheesh, this organization is in bad shape.

 

Make the Mauer to 3b move now. Right now. Let's at least try to solve some problems long term, rather than diddle around with Alexi Casilla or Jamie Carroll at 3b. At the very least put Plouffe over there and leave him alone.

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Make the Mauer to 3b move now. Right now. Let's at least try to solve some problems long term, rather than diddle around with Alexi Casilla or Jamie Carroll at 3b. At the very least put Plouffe over there and leave him alone.

This is what I would do, and considering the Twins just sent down an infielder to call up an outfielder, it's what I suspect Gardy will do. There's really no reason to play Plouffe in the outfield now.

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Coomerific Career for Danny? Coomer played hard and studied hitting (as well as teaching) and overcame size and weight to have a rather pleasant career and enjoyed every moment he was on the field.

Yep, and Coomer had quite a bit more success than Disco Danny in the minors before finally getting a crack at the majors.

 

Maybe a better comparison to Valencia's offensive ceiling is Scott Leius. He was a nice little piece of the puzzle in '91, posting a .795 OPS while platooning at third against lefties. Pressed into service as a near-everyday player in '92, he went down in flames with a .626 OPS.

 

Now the Twins just need Burroughs to get his Pagliarulo on...

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And I always cut a little slack to 3B for their age. For some reason, a lot of them make it to the bigs a bit later.

 

I was not aware that 3B's make it to the bigs later. I would have guessed more catchers and left handed pitchers may develop later. I suppose speed positions may be on the earlier side. Anyone seen a study in this area? My interest is player development and career path. It hasn't been in my mind to be more patient with thirdbasemen.

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I was not aware that 3B's make it to the bigs later. I would have guessed more catchers and left handed pitchers may develop later. I suppose speed positions may be on the earlier side. Anyone seen a study in this area? My interest is player development and career path. It hasn't been in my mind to be more patient with thirdbasemen.

Often times it is because they were shortstops who had to move to third, but at third you have to produce more offensively than the more common move from short, second base.

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I was not aware that 3B's make it to the bigs later. I would have guessed more catchers and left handed pitchers may develop later. I suppose speed positions may be on the earlier side. Anyone seen a study in this area? My interest is player development and career path. It hasn't been in my mind to be more patient with thirdbasemen.

There are examples of what John is talking about, Wade Boggs come to mind. But, part of the reason is because of the special demands of the position and that it is sort of a transition position.

 

Playing 3B well, requires a strong arm, good hands and a certain amount of quickness, if not outright speed. Also since there aren't necessarily as many chances at 3b but a higher percent of difficult chances, errors often appear more glaring.

 

Many times players start out as middle infielders and are moved to 3B if they don't have enough range for short or 2b but have some power or strong contact skills. A number of very good 3B over the years started at catcher, often again because their bat skills were stronger than their defensive skills.

 

I think all of these things seem to contribute to longer development time for 3rd baseman. It is also interesting how many very good ballplayers, play at 3rd for a while but ultimately end up in the OF or at 1B. Thome, Killebrew and Shefield are 3 who come immediately to mind. Cuddyer also.

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There are examples of what John is talking about, Wade Boggs come to mind. But, part of the reason is because of the special demands of the position and that it is sort of a transition position.

I guess I am interested in seeing it in the data. Once the data shows a trend, the reasoning would follow. If I look at the current 3B's, will they have had later career starts than other positions? Do prime seasons for a 3B tend to occur later? If so, maybe I should have more hope for the 27 year old Valencia. I did a quick look for a study but didn't see one.

 

My question: "Is there more hope for Valencia as a struggling 27 year old because he plays 3B and hence will develop later?"

 

I know there are examples of guys who moved to 3B or away from 3B. Players often move down the defensive spectrum as the age. That doesn't give hope for Valencia. I think I will take a shot at that question sometime in the future. In my mind, I have an impression that catchers and lefties develop later. That may be a false impression. Maybe it is 3B's that require more patience.

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