It seems to me that there have been large group of pretty good catchers out there. Composed of starters, younger starters, MLB ready prospects & prospects; many have 2 or 3 in their system. Last year we had none. Now we got Vazquez with Jeffers and nobody in the wings. After Vazquez is gone, we have Jeffers (which I've not seen him as a starter) for 1 year. IMO we are wasting our time of Vazquez mentoring on Jeffers.

My point we need someone who can step in & do great for years after Vazquez leaves, which isn't Jeffers. So we need a very good soon to be MLB catching prospect last year. The longer we wait to get someone, the worse we'll be sitting coming '26.

What are you willing to give up?  I'm pretty sure that the Angels are also aware of Quero's abilities and the Twins needs.  The price tag might be quite high.  Who are you willing to trade?

Good question terrydactyls. Like I said that they have O'Hoppe which makes Quero available. So we need to know what LAA's needs are to compensate them.

LAA although they have O'Hoppe but he's basically a rookie this year and they don't have a very good catcher to tandem with him. So they might like Jeffers plus Henriquez.

Or they could use a LH bat OF like Kepler (his stock is rising) with maybe Paddack.

It seems like LAA always need pitching so we could trade maybe Mahle straight up (less likely) or Winder & Paddack.

These are some example of trade that could be offered assuming they are planning to compete.

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Good question terrydactyls. Like I said that they have O'Hoppe which makes Quero available. So we need to know what LAA's needs are to compensate them.

LAA although they have O'Hoppe but he's basically a rookie this year and they don't have a very good catcher to tandem with him. So they might like Jeffers plus Henriquez.

Or they could use a LH bat OF like Kepler (his stock is rising) with maybe Paddack.

It seems like LAA always need pitching so we could trade maybe Mahle straight up (less likely) or Winder & Paddack.

These are some example of trade that could be offered assuming they are planning to compete.

The Angels plan to compete every year but they don't know how to do it.

I don’t believe any real catching prospect is cheap. Teams need two good catchers and at least one other that is major league ready. They aren’t going to easily trade that depth. If Rodriguez could have been picked up cheap last year someone would have picked him up.

Quero is probably the Angels third most valuable minor league prospect. The Twins third most valuable minor league prospect might be Rodriguez or Julien. The Twins wouldn’t let any other team cheaply pick them up.

The Twins do need young catching and should be willing to pay up to get it. Quero is worth pursuing but it might take Julien.

As mentioned above, the price for a legit catching prospect would be steep. The combo of Vazquez and Jeffers will be above major league average, but the depth behind that is not replacement level IMHO. 

If the Twins can acquire a great prospect, sure go for it, but with Vazquez providing a three-year window, it might be better to develop their own prospect.

Should have targeted Gabriel Moreno when everyone thought the Jays would move a different C.

19 hours ago, terrydactyls said:

The Angels plan to compete every year but they don't know how to do it.

How can you NOT compete with possibly the two best everyday players - one of whom is also a legit ace starter???

20 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

I don’t believe any real catching prospect is cheap. Teams need two good catchers and at least one other that is major league ready. They aren’t going to easily trade that depth. If Rodriguez could have been picked up cheap last year someone would have picked him up.

Quero is probably the Angels third most valuable minor league prospect. The Twins third most valuable minor league prospect might be Rodriguez or Julien. The Twins wouldn’t let any other team cheaply pick them up.

The Twins do need young catching and should be willing to pay up to get it. Quero is worth pursuing but it might take Julien.

 

MLB ranking of the teams top prospects IMO is based mainly on potential, where where they were pick has a lot of sway. where we see Twin's Prielipp as #4 before he even threw a professional game. But as far as trade value IMO is concerned is based more on production, how established and hype (league chatter). So prospect ranking doesn't always equate to trade value, Our #4 Prielipp & #5 Wallner combined (13.2) would be less than Quero (14.9), according to BTV. While our #3 Rodriguez (22.7) #15 Julien (19.2) is considerably more. So I wouldn't trade either of them 1:1.

I believe PIT always thought that Endy Rodriguez had potential. But their main focus has been Henry Davis whom they invested their #1 overall pick. Although of Rodriguez's talent the main idea has been he'd have him to play another position because of Davis. This time last year Rodriguez was low on PIT top prospect list. Throughout '22  he kept establishing himself from high A to AAA which increased the hype to where he's very expensive.

I believe Quero will start at high A, so he hasn't really established himself yet and the hype has only begun. Last Feb. 3, I put in a trade for Quero, his value was 9.2 it has increased 33% since then. So that's why I'd like a trade as soon as possible. No doubt LAA think that Quero is special but he's blocked and he could be some time before he's MLB ready. Like the discussion here about LAA needs to be competitive now. So if we have any missing pieces for LAA to be so, we need to explore this avenue.

13 hours ago, Bodie said:

How can you NOT compete with possibly the two best everyday players - one of whom is also a legit ace starter???

The rest of the team isn't very good.

Stand pat and focus on the upcoming draft to find a college catcher who could be ready in two years. 

On 3/21/2023 at 2:23 PM, Otaknam said:

Stand pat and focus on the upcoming draft to find a college catcher who could be ready in two years. 

For a college catcher draftee to be MLB in 2 yrs., he needs to be elite. And there's no elite catchers available in this draft. And 2 yrs after the draft, Vazquez will be gone. That leaves one year of Jeffers and hopefully a rookie catcher flying blind makes for a highly inferior back-stop

As I thought LAA would be motivated to trade Quero. Here's our competitor stealing Quero away from LAA. There was no cash involved, here it was added so the trade could be accepted by the system.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/115327 

We could have offered  Maeda & a RP to get only Edgar Quero & could have been accepted. It's a lesson of evaluating our need, look for an opportunity & ceasing it. Something I'd like to see this FO to be more proactive in. The way that CWS have been proactive in these trades lately. The Twins will regret for not being so. At least some fans will be very disappointed.

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

As I thought LAA could be motivated to trade Quero. Here's our competitor stealing Quero away from LAA. There was no cash involved, here it was added so the trade could be accepted by the system.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/115327 

We could have offered  Maeda & a RP to get only Edgar Quero & could have been accepted. It's a lesson of evaluating our need, look for an opportunity & ceasing it. Something I'd like to see this FO to be more proactive in. The way that CWS have been proactive in these trades lately. The Twins will regret for not being so. At least some fans will be very disappointed.

They probably didn't think it was a position of need  , 

When they do think it is a position of need , they over spend and get an injured player ....

Deadline in 2023 with no activity  and now the mentioned payroll reduction   , says we were tapped out on payroll on acquiring  players at 2023 deadline  ...

I kinda wish falvey would have accepted  an interview with Boston   , and then he could have been  disappointed when he lost out for the position  , them he maybe could finally  know how the fans feel when they are disappointed  ... 

Have you ever heard falvey  say , I love this game , I love putting together a team to win it all ...

I haven't  , so it's just business  for him ...

On 3/21/2023 at 2:23 PM, Otaknam said:

Stand pat and focus on the upcoming draft to find a college catcher who could be ready in two years. 

The Twins made 0 effort to draft a college catcher of any signifance.