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75 RBI or 75 RBIs?


Greglw3

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Was the long-standing way of referring to 75 RBIs correct or is the new style 75 RBI correct?

I think the first question that needs to be answered is what does RBI stand for? Runs Batted In or Run Batted in?

I maintain that RBI stands for Run Batted in, the singular. You would never say that a player has 1 RBIs or 1 Runs Batted In. But you would say the player had 1 RBI (Run Batted In).

That answers the question of what RBI stands for. Run Batted In. If that were not the case, and RBI stood for Runs Batted In, you could not use the singular. You wouldn’t say, Luis Arraez has 1 Runs Batted In after the season's first game. You would say Luis Arraez has 1 Run Batted In (RBI) after the first game.

With that established, it’s pretty simple. 1 dog, 2 dogs. 1 balloon, 2 balloons. 1 Bicycle, 2 bicycles. And 1 RBI, 2 RBIs, 1 RBI, 50 RBIs, 1 RBI,  75 RBIs.

 

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4 hours ago, DJL44 said:

The singular and the plural are both RBI. It is Runs Batted In, not Run Batted Ins

Concur.  The R stands for what it needs to stand for in the given situation.

Just as CDC used to stand for Control Data Corporation or Centers for Disease Control, depending on the need of the sentence.

 

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It's RBI(s) if you want to get technical. A single "run batted in" vs. multiple "runs batted in" with the word run being pluralized.

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A Strikeout is something noted as a K.   If a pitcher has 2 strikeouts, he has 2 Ks.    Nobody says he has 2 K.    Similarly, a run batted in is a thing known as an RBI and two runs batted in should be 2 RBIs.     
While we’re at it, can we go back to injured players going on the DL (Disabled List)????

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1 hour ago, strumdatjag said:

A Strikeout is something noted as a K.   If a pitcher has 2 strikeouts, he has 2 Ks.    Nobody says he has 2 K.    Similarly, a run batted in is a thing known as an RBI and two runs batted in should be 2 RBIs.     
While we’re at it, can we go back to injured players going on the DL (Disabled List)????

The box score always lists as RBI, just like it does for AB, K, BB, IP, etc. 

twins box score july 24 - Google Search

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Neither. I don't think anyone on the team is getting to 75. 😎

 

I am of the opinion that RBI has by common usage become the thing and not just the abbreviation for the thing. Therefore, I will continue to make the thing plural by adding an s, both when speaking and when writing. If it drives someone crazy, I consider that a feature, not a bug. 

 

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42 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Except when it's two sheeps passing in the night.

Is there such a word as sheeps?
 
 
It is not correct to say “sheeps.” The plural of “sheep” is “sheep.” We say “sheep,” whether it is one sheep, two sheep, or a million sheep! It is one of the many irregular plural nouns in English and does not follow the regular rules for plurals.
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1 hour ago, RpR said:
Is there such a word as sheeps?
 
 
It is not correct to say “sheeps.” The plural of “sheep” is “sheep.” We say “sheep,” whether it is one sheep, two sheep, or a million sheep! It is one of the many irregular plural nouns in English and does not follow the regular rules for plurals.

It is a joke.  "Like two ships passing in the night."  The way we classy people say "one night stand."  Thanks for the grammar refresher though - it had been quite a while since Squirrel reminded us.

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On 7/24/2022 at 6:17 PM, DJL44 said:

The singular and the plural are both RBI. It is Runs Batted In, not Run Batted Ins

Makes no sense. Were not talking about Llama or Deer here.

On 8/1/2022 at 11:13 AM, IndianaTwin said:

The answer, obviously, is "yes." 

 

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On 7/31/2022 at 3:03 PM, ashbury said:

Except when it's two sheeps passing in the night.

 

On 7/24/2022 at 6:17 PM, DJL44 said:

The singular and the plural are both RBI. It is Runs Batted In, not Run Batted Ins

On what authority. For 150 years it was 1 RBI, 100RBIs and now all of a sudden someone changed the style guiro to 100 RBI = 100 Run Batted In.

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It never occurred to me until now to check, but SABR produces a lot of baseball publications each year and they have a style guide online. 

The guide is unambiguous that the plural form is RBIs. *

The SABR Style Guide is conversational in spots, and any amateur who is interested in aspects of how serious copy editors think, may find it interesting reading in its own right.  RBIs happens to be used as an example of the different needs of different kind of writing, up near the top.

 

* That frankly surprised me.  I thought I knew differently.  But what does anybody but me care about that?

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Stanford Cardinal sounds ridiculous because it is. But there it is. Stanford!

Plurals should be written/stated, not assumed.

Or, we will strive for consistency: E.g.,

    Buck  of the Minnesota Twin has so far this season 47 rbi from 22 home run, producing 57 run on 66 hit and 302 at bat. 😀

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16 minutes ago, Game7-91 said:

Stanford Cardinal sounds ridiculous because it is. But there it is.

Do you take umbrage at Harvard Crimson?  Cornell Big Red?  Dartmouth Big Green?

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1 hour ago, Game7-91 said:

Stanford Cardinal sounds ridiculous because it is. But there it is. Stanford!

Plurals should be written/stated, not assumed.

Or, we will strive for consistency: E.g.,

    Buck  of the Minnesota Twin has so far this season 47 rbi from 22 home run, producing 57 run on 66 hit and 302 at bat. 😀

Except for numero uno, the r in rbi stands for - runs - so your analogy sounds, well actually, like a whole lot youths nowadays who graduate from high school incapable of reading, writing or calcuating arithmetic above a 2nd grade level, if that.

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2 hours ago, ashbury said:

Do you take umbrage at Harvard Crimson?  Cornell Big Red?  Dartmouth Big Green?

Good examples, but color(s) can be interchangeably singular or plural. (But not always....see Blues, St Louis...but that refers not to the color but to an understandable state of mind of those who must live in or around St Louis.)

So no, using a color to name the team doesn't bother me, at least not a lot, (although I think team names should point out the resiliency or toughness or something like that of the team...colors are lacking in that regard. If we want some real chuckles take a look at some of the team names in MiLB. Just sad.)....like in the same way if there existed the Seattle Sheep or Montana Moose wouldn't bother me saying or writing it as such. The plural is just contextual.

The fix to the great RBI debate is to put the noun at the end of the phrase, where it is more naturally pluralized and colloquial, so Batted In Run(s), which is consistent with other stat's, like Home Run(s), etc........ Maybe MLB should just decree that from now on, it will be Batted In Run(s), BIR. Manfred can do it. He's king of the world in baseball. Just issue a decree, so let it be written, so let it be done.

But that would be boring, and probably much more controversial than say creating an equitable international draft or establishing salary floors/caps.

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11 minutes ago, Game7-91 said:

Good examples, but color(s) can be interchangeably singular or plural. (But not always....see Blues, St Louis...but that refers not to the color but to an understandable state of mind of those who must live in or around St Louis.)

So no, using a color to name the team doesn't bother me, at least not a lot,

Stanford athletic teams are represented by a color, not by a mascot.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal#Nickname_and_mascot_history

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