03-22-2013, 09:10 AM #1
Minor League Cuts
TwinsDaily has learned that the Twins have made their first rounds of minor league cuts this morning. Leaving the organization - but wishing them luck on their journey - are:
- LP Cole Nelson, 23, who played his prep ball at Peterson HS in Edina was acquired in the Delmon Young trade from the Tigers. Nelson played collegiately at Auburn and pitched 82 innings for the Miracle last year. The 6-7 lefty spent most of last season in the starting rotation.
- OF/C Danny Rams, 24, was the Twins 2nd round pick in 2007 and was considered one of the most powerful prep bats in the draft. He was never able to make it past Fort Myers, where he spent his last two seasons.
- P Patrick Arnold, 24, was signed by the Twins out of the Frontier League (Indy Ball) on January 12th of this year.
- P Tyler Herr, 22, the 6-8 right-handed was one of the last remaining players from the 2009 draft, quite a feat for the 44th round selection out of Katy, Texas. Tyler pitched out of E-town's bullpen last season.
- P Gerardo Ramirez, 19, was signed as an international free agent on March 12, 2011 and played two seasons for the GCL Twins. Despite posting a 4-1 record last season, he walked almost as many batters (10) as he struck out (13) and recorded an ERA of 6.62.
Best of luck to these young gentlemen as they take the next steps in their lives.
The Roster & Payroll page will reflect these - and the rest of today's moves - shortly.
03-22-2013, 09:32 AM #2
I took note of Rams last week at spring training. He is a good sized guy and he took some good BP swings, but I think the die was cast when he no longer was considered a catcher.
03-22-2013, 10:33 AM #3
Rams needed to catch, and he's all but stopped. Sad...he does have a decent bat. be interesting to see if he stays alive in indie ball. Tyler Herr is the son of Tommy Herr! Be interesting to see what other names disappear between now and early April.
03-22-2013, 12:40 PM #4
So the dumping of Delmon comes down to just Oliveros after all. Just a little more salt rubbed in the wound.
03-22-2013, 12:47 PM #5
With Rams and Nelson, I guess the lesson is that repeating high-A and not excelling the second time does not do wonders for your resume. With the other two, it's not clear to me from their record that they had proved they could not develop - and the clock wasn't running out for them, e.g. having to be added to the 40-man, was it?
03-22-2013, 03:27 PM #6
03-23-2013, 07:45 AM #7
Rams is a very good guy. He can hit a bit, when he makes contact, but the fact that he wasn't catching anymore did hurt when his other position is left field. I think that he just couldn't have played at AA and that's why he was let go. He would have been a minor league free agent after the season. I hope he gets picked up somewhere.
Oliveros still has a chance to be good. I think that the Twins got plenty for Young and it was addition by subtraction. The Tigers may wonder if they gave up too much for him.
Gerardo Ramirez is only 19, but he wasn't particularly good in his second season at the GCL and certainly doesn't profile to improve much.
03-23-2013, 09:06 AM #8
It was mentioned to me by one of the workers here that Danny Rams hurt his shoulder and they wanted him to have surgery, but he declined, all but ending his playing here.
03-23-2013, 01:08 PM #9
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03-23-2013, 02:34 PM #10
03-23-2013, 03:17 PM #11
After that time, the gig was up. Everybody knew he was erratic at best and there was no market for him. I give Ryan credit for getting Escobar in return.
Also, if I remember, everybody was hoping that 2011 we would be in contention. You don't sell your top players in the offseason when you're hoping to make a postseason run the next year.
03-23-2013, 04:51 PM #12
There were people in the media who thought that he would never repeat 2010, and should be traded.
In fact, the FO themselves refused to offer an extension, and there were reports of trade offers from the Yankees that Spring, so its not like they didnt consider it.
Bolded part #2: The Rays do this all the time. Its smart business if you are going to be a small to mid market team.
The FO was never going to lock him up long term. When the Rays FO makes that determination, they move a player while their value is high, they dont wait, just because they want to make sure they can contend, they trust their scouting and their prospects and they know they can make the trade, re stock the farm, AND still compete.
As loaded as our farm system is now, just think how loaded it would be if they traded both Liriano and Delmon at the peak of their value.
03-23-2013, 05:29 PM #13
I think that by the time Delmon wore out his welcome in MN, his value was not much. Witness his free agent contract after an outstanding postseason in 2012. I remember one sportswriter (Souhan) lobbying for a Delmon trade after his big year, but the CW at that point was that he had turned a corner and was a potential All-Star. I don't know what the problem was with Hardy. Publicly he wasn't a problem, but he didn't hit much and suffered with nagging injuries. Why the team decided to trade him at that point is mystery to me, unless it was purely a contract issue.
03-23-2013, 05:41 PM #14
Hardy was a contract issue. The Twins thought he would get $8-10 in arbitration and just didn't feel he was worth it. Hardy ended up signing a friendly extension with the Orioles. Go figure. I think the Twins were set to sign Liriano long-term, just wanted to see what his 2011 was like. It wasn't. They thought, let's see 2012. It wasn't. There were big hopes that he would be worthy of a long-term extension. Young, the same arbitration issue. He was going to get large dollars because of his high signing while with the Rays. Yes, the Twins needed to trade him during the off-season, they didn't. They got something from the Tigers, who actually thought about not resigning him, but he had the great post-season. Interesting where both of these players ended up and at what cost.
But I would agree that now was the time to move on Willingham...except you don't want to give the signal that we sign free agents to friendly deals and then trade them, or do we? I still like the option, when you look at the big picture, to get a good look at Parmelee and decide if you want to keep or trade Morneau during the season, with the open-ended option that you can always offer him $13+ million and make HIM refuse it and still get a draft choice.
03-23-2013, 06:38 PM #15
At some point you have to stop selling and try to make a run; you can't be in perpetual rebuild mode. In hindsight they (seriously) miscalculated, but I can't fault their decision during that offseason.
The past two offseasons, of course, are a different matter.
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03-23-2013, 07:33 PM #17
Perkins probably has the most value. The best predictor of future arm injuries is previous arm injuries. Perkins isan injury away from no value. What would he a Tigers part with to get him?
Burton may have been a one year wonder. The Twins signed him to an extension buying next year when they didn't need to. He was under team control. Let's find someone to take him and next year's contract soon.
Can they find anyone else who believes Doumit is a catcher? If they can, get something and get out of the two year commitment. If you watched today's game, you saw he Twins, Doumit's and Correia's frustration with the strike zone. Post game comments about Correia's need to throw more strikes. No argument from me there. I think our catcher needs to give more help.
It might not be long before the Dodgers or Cardinals feel the need for a temporary solution at SS. Andrus and Hardy will be expensive. Maybe they will see Carroll as a better short term solution.
03-23-2013, 11:30 PM #18
I posted on another thread that I think a Morneau trade is a near certainty. Not as sure on The Hammer, because he has another year on his contract and is playing for well less than market value. I am not a great catching mind, but Doumit isn't a perfect fit here. It is nice that he has some versatility and is a switch hitter, but he should be paired with a righthanded defense-first guy. I think that two of three of Doumit, Morneau and Willingham will be gone by 8/1. Burton could go at the deadline as well, but I think he will do a good job as long as he is healthy. I would think that Duensing would have deadline value as well and would be a trade candidate.
03-24-2013, 12:45 AM #19
03-24-2013, 05:50 AM #20