02-05-2013, 08:56 PM #21
18yo - Gulf Rookie Ball - .792 OPS, 187 PAs
19yo - Appy Rookie Ball - 1.096 OPS, 283 PAs
20yo - A Ball, A+ Ball - .866 OPS, 316 PAs
21yo - A+ Ball, AA Ball - .928 OPS, 534 PAs
The guy has been outstanding two years out of four and good the other two years. He's also been a youngster at every level. He'll be in AAA as a 22 year old by mid-season (at the latest). What more do you want out of the guy? The only real weakness in his game is the strikeout rate. Everything else is solid.
Also, Rosario is just one year younger than Arcia but is two levels behind him in the minors. Yes, the injury hurt Rosario but that's still a significant gap between the players.
02-05-2013, 08:58 PM #22
02-05-2013, 09:16 PM #23
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02-05-2013, 09:22 PM #24
As for overall ranking, I don't get too hot and bothered about that (plus, that 60-something ranking is far and away the highest I've seen Oswaldo). Where you put Arcia and Rosario really depends on how you rate potential versus upper level performance. I tend to value performance over potential so I lean toward Arcia.
02-05-2013, 09:30 PM #25
Hate to post 3 in a row, but one more thing. I'm pretty much sold that this year we'll find out so much more about Rosario, Sano, Vargas, etc. Sure, we find out more every year and that sound like a generalization. To further elaborate, Ft. Myers has really been a difficult step for quite a few guys in the past (Namely Morales, Hicks). That may be a lot different because of the constant roster changes, but I feel like there's still a negative stigma about the place. It just seems like a benchmark for some reason.
02-05-2013, 09:43 PM #26
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02-05-2013, 09:46 PM #29
We have two legit center fielders and no middle infield prospects. The move for Rosario seems pretty self explanatory. His bat will play much better at 2nd than center. Many around baseball also think that sano will end up in the outfield as he may outgrow thirdbase. Rosario definitely provides more value both as a prospect and to the twins organization as a mi guy. That is just my opinion but I will bet most twinsdaily members will agree Rosario needs to stay at 2nd to maximize his value.
02-05-2013, 09:51 PM #30
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02-05-2013, 10:29 PM #32
I can't even write a response to this nonsense. I've tried different ways, but ultimately I still end up wanting to punch babies. Rosario needs to improve on his defense at 2b... 2b.... 2b to be as good of a prospect as Arcia. The guy OPSed almost 1000 as a 21 yo in AA bro, those are some big numbers. A lot of prospects feast on lower level pitching, to me AA is the first big test.Do or do not. There is no try.
02-06-2013, 07:16 AM #33
As for Kubel being a better prospect... Well, I don't agree with that at all. Jason hit a little better at every level but he was also a level behind Arcia at the same age (before the injury). Once you factor in the age and level difference, they start to look like the same player and you might even give the nod to Arcia. It will be interesting to see what he does repeating at New Britain this season.
02-06-2013, 07:47 AM #34
He's repeating at NB? Where did you hear this? Not that it matters too much, but I'd like to see him in AAA instead... if so that will really tell you how the Twins feel about AAA right now.Do or do not. There is no try.
02-06-2013, 07:56 AM #35
02-06-2013, 08:09 AM #36
A lot of this we will see in spring training. I do not think Parmalee is a sure thing, so I expect Arcia to be here this year. Trade Morneau if Parmalee looks like the replacement, bring up Arcia if Parmalee is not. This is Parmalees last chance to impress. Twins will try and resign Morneau if Parmalee does not shine.
Hope they push Rosario a little more. Defense could be an issue in not pushing, but Twins need him here sooner than later. Middle infield is a black hole at this time.
02-06-2013, 08:45 AM #37
And the comparison to Hicks doesn't really hold up either. At 18, both were in rookie ball and Hicks was the better player. At 19, Rosario repeated the level while Hicks was promoted to A ball (and ranked #39 by BA). At 20, Hicks repeated Aball (and was ranked #19) while Rosario was promoted there. Hicks had the better season overall at age 20. Hicks down year was as a 21 year old at A+.
02-06-2013, 09:56 AM #38
Rosario as an outfielder is a good prospect. As a 2B, he is a great prospect. I do care about his slugging, but don't care as much if that slugging comes from doubles or homers.
There is no disputing what Arcia has done. There's also ZERO reason to have him start in New Britain. I would be flabbergasted if they do that. What on earth is the damn point in doing that? AAA matters, even if some here are right and that it matters minimally. Benson, Hicks, and Arcia should all be in AAA starting in the OF. Full stop.
02-06-2013, 10:51 AM #39
I recommend checking this out: Scouting Report: Eddie Rosario (2B) | Baseball Prospect Nation
He doesn't have a slugger's body and there's not much room to add on strength. He's 6 foot 170 lbs-ish, and looks smaller than that in person to be quite honest:
Bat speed can do a lot for you, but without large(r) body mass behind it, it's not nearly as potent as you think, doing more for "hitter" attributes than "power" ones.
If I'm describing him, Span is a good comp, with less on-base skill and a bit more double power, but not outrageous HR power. I also don't think he'll be as good of a defender in CF (can handle it if need be), and he still needs a lot of work to stick at 2B.
As for comparing Arcia to Kubel (pre-injury). Kubel absolutely RAKED, and was thought of as one of the best pure hitters in the minors before he blew out the knee. I don't consider Arcia to be in that lofty of hitting territory quite yet. I like the "Kubel-light" name I've seen thrown around.Follow me on Twitter: @MNTwinsGUFS
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02-06-2013, 12:56 PM #40
As far as hopes and dreams go, perhaps Dustin Pedroia is what we should be comparing Rosario to.