08-14-2012, 01:39 PM #1
Article: Minnesota Twins Top 20 Prospects in Review
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.ph...ects-in-Review
08-14-2012, 02:20 PM #2
didn't realize that boyd is having trouble getting Ks... he was supposed to be one of those power arms... hopefully that improves.
08-14-2012, 02:45 PM #3
Too bad Rosario isn't further along we could use his help next year. Maybe 2014?
Is Hicks AAA next year? I'd love to see him in MN but where would we put him?
Seems to me Hendricks needs/deserves a late season call up for audition for next seasons #4 or #5 in rotation.
What are we gonna do with Parmalee ? Trade Morneau in offseason? Or will Parmalee be the one who is packaged up in a trade for some MLB ready starting pitching?
Good Report. I see alot of potential MLB talent too bad most of it is 2-3 years away.
08-14-2012, 03:05 PM #4
If you don't get Ks in rookie ball, it's extremely unlikely you will in the majors. Many times I see players that post 10+ K/9s in the GCL/Advanced rk only end up around 6 or 7 per 9 at the higher stages.
I think because of performance, Mata should be above Boyd.
Mata: 2.40 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 45 IP, 48K, .168 BAA
Boyd: 2.40 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 45 IP, 29 K, .258 BAA
In additon to being in the same league, Mata is also 2 months Boyd's junior and had a phenomenal year in the GCL last year as well. Both are RHPs that stand 6'2". Boyd has a really good curveball and maybe more "plus" pitches, but I think it's time we saw Mata in the top 20 and at least close to Boyd.
08-14-2012, 03:19 PM #5
Very good Seth :-)
You're list was solid. Very credible and accurate.... it was interesting at one point as i was scrolling down on it, all that was framed in my screen was #'s 5 - #'s 9 (Benson to Wimmers)
And thought to myself, everyone in that slot has been Hurt, terrible, or re-habbing.... The ONlY positive to take away from those 5 players is #7 SP Kyle Gibson! Just weird that our system is still strong, overall, despite such a lackluster back half of the top 10. Parmelee on the other hand, has been a rocket man. And I'm happy with Dozier's play...considering he should have gotten another month or 2 of AAA time.
MY list: (changes a touch from week to week)
1. Byron Buxton A-
2. Miguel Sano B+
3. Oswaldo Arcia B
4. Aaron Hicks B
5. Eddie Rosario B (this low over my concerns about 2B) Maybe he's the 3B of the future? Sano 1B?
6. J.O. Berrios B-
7. Max Kepler B-
8. Kyle Gibson B-/ C+
9. Chris Parmelee
10. Travis Harrison
missing: Boyd, Benson, Bard, Walker, Goodrum, and Hermsen Herrmann.
08-14-2012, 03:53 PM #6
Seth, do you recall what a disaster this list was at this time in 2011? I don't know the numbers off-hand, but I recall (probably innaccurately) that at least half of the top 20 were dissappointing, and most of those dissappointments were injury-related, not performance-related. Which probably explains somewhat why a large majority of these prospects have good to great numbers in 2012.
It would be interesting to compare the top 50 prospects from TwinsTerritory for 2011 and 2012. How many/what percentage had good numbers in 2011 versus 2012? Of the bad performances, what percentage is mostly attributable to injury each year as opposed to just not performing? My guess for 2012 is that 70% of the top 50 performed acceptably, 20% dissappointed due mostly to injury, and only 10% simply failed to perform to expectations. In 2011, my guess is those numbers were more like 40%, 40%, and 20%.
If these guesses are somewhat close, it might explain the somewhat artificial pessimism about the talent level in the system coming into 2012. With the 2012 draft and so many better performances, would you expect the rankings to be dramatically more favorable, or not?
08-14-2012, 03:56 PM #7
Sorry, I meant Twinkie Town.
08-14-2012, 04:01 PM #8
08-14-2012, 04:13 PM #9
Looking at the Twinkie Town 2012 Top 50, 60% performed acceptably, 20% were injured, and 20% just underperformed expectations. Rough assessment.
08-14-2012, 05:13 PM #10
Strange that salcedo was bad and got hurt but moved up 5 places and herrmann went back with a better showing. Morales move up 10 places even though he has struggled as bad if not worse than benson/tosoni.
Thats why these lists are fun though. You can argue about them and have serious doubts about a persons sanity yet they could turn out to be the sane one.
08-14-2012, 05:32 PM #11
Hey guys.. I'm new to the site. Here's my top 10
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Oswaldo Arcia
4. Max Kepler
5. Eddie Rosario
6. J.O. Berrios
7. Aaron Hicks
8. Kyle Gibson
9. DJ Baxendale
10. Angel Mata
Couple of notes I want to add are that I don't consider Parmelee a prospect anymore or he would have been #10 and I think Rosario at #5 is the surest thing in the top 5 but 1-4 have higher upsides.
08-14-2012, 06:04 PM #12
Welcome to the board and nice top 10. I have a hard time making top 10 lists. There's certainly a lot of 2nd guessing. Even the top 5 is tough at this point. I would say Sano, Hicks, Buxton, Arcia and Rosario are the top 5, but the actually order of those 5 is the hard part.
08-14-2012, 06:21 PM #13
Any list is arbitrary. Any list is fantasy. Lists can be fun. Arcia is putting up the best numbers, so he has to be number one from my perspective.
08-14-2012, 06:27 PM #14
08-14-2012, 06:41 PM #15
Yeah it's tough. But I agree almost everyone would have a similar top 1-7 or so just a slight different order. I really like Baxendale though. Everything I've heard has been good about him. I don't agree with them putting him in the bullpen though. He's a starter and wants to start but they want to keep his innings down. I believe in keeping pitchers in their comfort zone to maximize their growth. Another example is Madison Boer. He should be a reliever maybe even closer. He's lights out in short stints but clearly struggles as a starter. Instead he'll probably waste 2-3 years struggling as a starter and get put back in the pen and by the time he figures it out again he'll be 26-27 instead of other successful teams that have 22-24 yr old power relievers in the pen. Tyler Robertson could have been up a couple years ago if they didn't waste time trying to make him a starter. Sorry I've gone off the subject.. Just not too happy with the organization right now
08-14-2012, 08:53 PM #16
Jorge Polanco should definitely be raising some eyebrows this season. He's hitting more than I imagined and he's doing well drawing walks and making contact. The power although won't ever be a big part of his game as it would seem, has been nice. 4HRs now and he's been getting plenty of doubles. When he was signed the reports said he was a slick defender who should be able to stay at short. If he develops like he's doing he could be a very good player. He should be in the top 20.
08-14-2012, 09:30 PM #17
What Hermsen's been doing this year with such a low strikeout rate is incredible (incredibly lucky?). Have to imagine he would be making a few more Top 10 lists were he striking more guys out. Still think he can be a serviceable #4/#5 in the show, but I'm curious if he can maintain this success into next season.
Oh yea, my Top 10:
1. Miguel Sano
2. Eddie Rosario
3. Byron Buxton
4. Oswaldo Arcia
5. Aaron Hicks
6. J.O. Berrios
7. Max Kepler
8. Kyle Gibson
9. Travis Harrison
10. Niko Goodrum
08-14-2012, 09:58 PM #18
I also will put out a top 50 following the season, likely in September... but after researching 160+ players for the book, it can change more.
08-14-2012, 10:01 PM #19
I agree he is having a great year at his age and level. But as far as being a prospect.. He just doesn't project well to the majors. He's similar to Liam Hendriks except less strikeouts which is not a good sign. He has a 1 to 1 ground ball to fly ball rate.. Also a bad sign. Those two things combined.. He won't be able to sustain being a starter in the majors. He either has to increase his strikeouts or start getting more ground balls. That's why Liam Hendriks hasn't had success and is working on it in the minors.
Last edited by JP3700; 08-14-2012 at 10:03 PM.
08-14-2012, 10:11 PM #20