05-03-2012, 03:48 PM #21
I've been thinking of this for awhile, so when I saw the thread, I thought I would get my 2 cents in. The Northwoods league that is in MN & WI is doing well. So I was thinking, what about Madison. I know Mallards averaged 6278 in attendance 2011, while Beloit averaged 1030. It's also about 45 min closer to mpls. And the stadium is better. As a fan, I would rather follow an affiliated team from April thru early Sept, than a Northwoods team from June 1st until early August.
Also, it rochester was a problem at AAA, could Madison be an option there too?
05-03-2012, 03:49 PM #22
The Twins have no shot at bringing ANY Minor League team to Minnesota. To relocate a team it takes an average of 2-4 years (Portland to Tucscon). Getting rid of Rochester for a team in the PCL makes no Sense at wall whatsoever, there would be an imbalance of teams in the PCL. There will not be a MWL team in Minnesota either, so don't get your hopes up. There is simply no team in lower Minnesota that would be able to meet all the requirements needed to get a MWL team. They would first have to have a stadium that seats 7500 people. They would also need to have a town of 30,000. The 3rd reason Minnesota won't get a MILB team at all is because of the location. The MWL is perfect as of now, so why screw it up and put a team in another state? Cedar Rapids is the northern most team in Iowa. The MWL is based off of pairings of cities close to one another for Interleague play, as well as scheduling purposes. for example
Cedar Rapids,Quad Cities
Traveling distances would also be a bit extreme to get to Minnesota (any part of the state) and it would be out of the way for EVERY team in the MWL.
There is just no room for a team in Minnesota and the MWL
05-03-2012, 03:52 PM #23
Metropolitan Statistical Area covers Lackawanna, Luzerne and Wyoming counties. It had a combined population of 563,936 in 2011...". Those three counties don't extend very far. South of Erie? Do you know where Scranton is?
Anyway, 1) there is at least one AAA city smaller than your guess, and 2) no MN (or nearby) city comes even close to this minimal threshold. I'm moving on, hope you will too.
Last edited by ashburyjohn; 05-03-2012 at 03:54 PM.
05-04-2012, 12:17 AM #24
Why not make the St. Paul Saints the Twins AAA team? Or create a new team locally? Minneapolis Millers? If you think it's too close, the Seattle Mariners AAA team is in Tacoma. Just a thought.
05-04-2012, 06:47 PM #25
it takes 2 years to relocate an enitre franchise, prolly around 5 to create one in a new city that has never had a team before
05-04-2012, 07:14 PM #26
I like the Rochester MN idea, but I doubt it's a great idea financially. Keeping the team in Rochester NY is probably the best for the team. If any of the minor leagues teams have to move, I hope it's New Britain.
05-06-2012, 02:08 PM #27
The one thing we need to remember is if a new AAA team is created, it either has to be moved from another city, or another team has to leave AAA.
05-06-2012, 03:16 PM #28
Why did he Twins go to Rochester? First class operation, and Rochester wanted to be part of a winning team when the Orioles moved on. The Twins were winners.....
The Twins have long fared well in areas outside the state: Iowa, the Dakotas, parts of Wisconsin, up into Canada, as far as Montana and Wyoming had Minnesota Twins fans. Some dated back t the days when the Twins were the only team really in the upper northwest. Seattle made some inroads. Colorado was considered a threat, but ahd trouble wooing longtime Twins fans (even when both teams were losing).
The Twins have taken their radio network and such in-house and did expand their take of the pie, but still surprised that the Twins, because of their far reach, aren't a national baseball telecast/radiocast powerhouse. They have major fan bases in seven (lbleit small population) states.
I always like the idea of a minor league team close by, but seriously, how many Twin fans go to Quad Cities or Beloit? More make the trek to Kansas City or Milwaukee...but unless it was in our virtual backyard (Burnsville), I doubt the out-of-town traffic would ake significant ticket sales for the team. t's a nice thought, but if the Beloit team was the St. Paul Saints, would the general baseball going populus really care about who is who and who owns hhet eam?
05-07-2012, 12:05 AM #29
05-07-2012, 12:54 AM #30
AAA teams can average 5,000 to 10,000 attendance a game. Plus the beer and pretzels and hot dogs. Corporate sponsorships is also a nice source of AAA income.
I don't believe Fargo and Sioux Falls can reach that attendance number. Any owner willing to put a AAA team in one of those cities would be immediately looking for a larger population base to draw from and bigger markets with more larger corporations.
From the Twins perspective... Rochester and Las Vegas... It doesn't matter other than the Twins may have a decent relationship with Red Wings owners.
They wont care cuz The Twins pay the Rochester salaries and they will pay the same at Vegas.
Ticket revenue, concessions and corporate sponsorship money goes to the AAA owner.
Des Moines is the AAA market the Twins should align with if the door ever opened. Until the Cubs depart. LV would be just fine.
05-12-2012, 10:25 AM #31
05-12-2012, 01:19 PM #32
Cashman Field, Las Vegas, Nevada
05-12-2012, 04:11 PM #33