05-21-2012, 11:57 AM #21
Looking at next year's available starting pitchers (by MLB Trade Rumors list), potential $4-$6 million guys who might be decent include Eric Bedard ($4.5M), Joe Saunders ($6M), Brandon McCarthy ($4.275M), Kevin Correia ($4M), or Colby Lewis ($4M). Forget about any guys in the $10M-$12M range and it's pipe dreams to think about Grienke, who would hamstring them even more to go with Mauer's $23M contract.
05-21-2012, 12:00 PM #22
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05-21-2012, 12:58 PM #24
So, the argument from some is to not spend serious money next year. How many years of Mauer's prime are you willing to burn, not being competitive?Win Twins.
05-21-2012, 01:17 PM #25
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05-21-2012, 01:20 PM #26
You rebuild by dumping below average players and accumulating above average ones. Some of them have to come from the minors--your own system or someone else's--but not all of them. One of the beauties of young players is that they don't cost much, allowing you to pay more for others. The Twins do not have the pitching in the system to build a rotation capable of winning the central, much less a WS. Those pitchers have to come from somewhere, and these next two drafts will hopefully help, but they represent two lottery tickets.
The Twins, like other smart teams, need to build using every available resource. Skipping free agency is short sighted and cheap, i think the owners can afford it, and if not frankly I don't much care if the Pohlads don't pocket a huge profit every year anyway.
If a team this clearly in need of starting pitching isn't interested in doing what it takes to help itself, why should I as a fan continue to invest my time, money and emotions?
05-21-2012, 01:31 PM #27
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05-21-2012, 01:36 PM #29
I get where you're coming from, but I just don't believe that Grienke himself is the answer. Going "all-in" will require the Twins to sign more players than just Grienke. If they did that, I'd be happy about it, but I also don't want them to throw money at big-time free agents when they're a bad team and become the Seattle Mariners, who are still a bad team and have to ride out bad contracts that keep them from rebuilding properly.
05-21-2012, 02:34 PM #30
Butera would be a fairly cheap option for the rotation, right?
05-21-2012, 04:01 PM #31
While it would certainly make things interesting to go after a true ace like Grienke, I don't think it makes a lot of sense considering the state the Twins are in right now. As it stands, the Twins have basically no rotation whatsoever. Diamond has been a nice story, but he still has a lot to prove. Walters is nothing more than a stopgap, and any legitimate pitching prospects we have are facing or are currently in the process of rehabbing injuries. The fact is the Twins need to build a rotation from the ground up next season, and it looks like they might have the money to do just that. They need a rotation that can produce quality starts on a consistent basis so the offense isn't always behind the proverbial 8-ball game in and game out. That way, they ought to be able to win some of those ballgames next year that they are losing this year, thus building themselves into a contender that an ace might find attractive. I'd say the short list of free agent pitchers ought to include, in no particular order:
Paul Maholm (If his $6.5M club option isn't picked up)
Shaun Marcum (If they want to go high end)
Kevin Millwood (Token old guy for the back of the rotation)
Based on this list, an overhauled Twins rotation should look like this going into next season:
Erik Bedard/Shaun Marcum
Joe Blanton/Joe Saunders/Brandon McCarthy
PJ Walters/Jeff Manship/Cole DeVries (Basically a place holder until June for Kyle Gibson)
05-21-2012, 04:13 PM #32
I'm in favor of spending money to improve, but agree with those who say there are too many holes to fill for it to make sense to go all in on one guy.
Especially when going all in on that guy will mean locking him in for a lot of money for a lot of years.
After all of the recent complaining about how Mauer's contract supposedly hamstrings the team, it's a bit odd to see advocacy for signing up for another long-term huge money deal.
The Twins are a long way off from being a powerhouse, but if they were able to upgrade their pitching from horrendous to mediocre and add another decent bat to the lineup, that would be enough for them to compete for the division.
05-21-2012, 04:13 PM #33
If you think Greinke can give you 5 good years, it might make sense to sign him, but it's a huge risk and I don't think the Twins will do it. We need to get some good pitching prospects for Denard Span (2 number 2/3 starters) since he's the only tradeable commodity right now. If you want to sign starting pitching, it will cost you, but I do agree with the sentiment that they've got a bigger payroll to work with now, so it might make some sense. The SP has been horrible, and they're going to have to sign someone eventually. It probably won't be until they show that they have a chance at being competitive, though.
Just keep winning 4 out of every 5 games and maybe it could happen;-)
05-21-2012, 04:26 PM #34
05-21-2012, 04:44 PM #35
The Twins and I (because I matter) are scared to sign pitchers long-term. I think Baker/Blackburn is the last straw for that notion. Secondly, I think the Twins are a long way (and a long pitching way) from seriously competing.
That being said, if the Twins were to spend on a pitcher who would be around if the Twins suddenly started making good personnel decisions and began winning, I think they could do a LOT worse than Greinke.
05-21-2012, 04:44 PM #36
05-21-2012, 04:46 PM #37
I keep hearing the Nationals want Span. Do they have a pitcher we could get from them that would be a #2 type guy?
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