Thread: Article: Twins Drop Burroughs. But Why?

Wow, is the tension really this thick over Sean Burroughs? Second guessing the last couple of bench spots seems kind of petty. Those spots are pretty fluid for every team, you only get in trouble if you fill them with players you are too afraid to lose on the waiver wire. The last couple of guys always need to be expendable in case of injury, position need or a more a intreguing player becomes available through waivers, trade or free agency. This is sad for Burroughs as a person, but this is not significant news from a baseball standpoint.

Why is Clete Thomas still on the team? That is the greater mystery.

And seeing Drew Butera on the major league roster makes me puke.

nick, that's the news today. should we just stick to how bad the pitching is every day?

I don't think its an issue of one move, but that it's the most recent in a group where it seems odd, creating questions about personnel judgement and overall roster decisions. They judged Burrough's worthy enough to make the team out of spring training but 30 AB later he's DFA. Especially highlighted here is the 13 man pitching staff.

I agree with those who say that our bench is terrible, and who don't mourn the loss of Borroughs. On the other hand, there don't seem to be a lot of options in Rochester who are ready to step up. The good news -- being in last place might result in a shot at a decent player being released by another team.

I can't believe nobody has made the comment that the Twins didn't have anything invested in Borroughs so it's no big loss. Another one of those great Terry Ryan moves to build a contender.

I'm wondering if the next move will be to bring up Dozier and put Carroll in the utility role. What is the date when the Twins can bring him up without losing a service year on him?

Originally Posted by MileHighTwinsFan

I'm wondering if the next move will be to bring up Dozier and put Carroll in the utility role. What is the date when the Twins can bring him up without losing a service year on him?

Dozier probably needs more time in AAA. He's not exactly tearing the cover off the ball, especially after his fast start.

Anybody see Jorge Cantu is out there? I know he is not the answer but better than Burroughs and somebody needs to push Danny boy so he might try.

Originally Posted by MileHighTwinsFan

I'm wondering if the next move will be to bring up Dozier and put Carroll in the utility role. What is the date when the Twins can bring him up without losing a service year on him?

Dozier is old enough that starting his service clock should not be a consideration. He's also been pretty dang horrible since the first week or so of the season.

Well it looks like the Dozier era is going to start soon. By DFA'ing Burroughs, the only backup infielder is Plouffe. The Twins have 2 open spots on the 40-man roster so it looks like when they finally drop to 12 pitchers it will most likely Dozier getting the call and taking over the starting SS spot with Carroll moving to a utility role.

Burroughs/Thomas/Hughes/Butera ===> deck chairs.

2012 Twins ===>Titanic.

Originally Posted by LaBombo

Burroughs/Thomas/Hughes/Butera ===> deck chairs.

2012 Twins ===>Titanic.

I think the deck chairs / Titanic comparison is getting posted just a tad too much. I enjoy reading EVERY post but this one has just came up way too many times. It may be true but it is also posted WAY TOO MUCH! HMMMM
Baseballs =====> hit by baseball players
Why is Clete Thomas on this team? His strikeout ratio is TERRIBLE! Anyone else notice this?

I'm agreeing with Nick. Burroughs has done less than nothing, but it's 18 AB and his value wasn't just as a left-hande pinch hitter. his value was as a possible platoon option for Valencia. I don't understand discarding that, unless they were sure that he was going to clear waivers. (Or there is some news we don't know about....)

But the key question here is why make that move over some others. There is no way Gray is claimed. Probably not Maloney. But Nick raised the biggest question which is why not just put Morneau on the DL? Why in the hell is this team completely incapable of just throwing a guy on the DL who is obviously hurting, based both on his perfromace and the fact that they rushed him out to a specialist?

Morneau's WPA right now is -.21. I wonder if he'll play prior to 5/15. And if he does, I'm betting he hurts the team more than he helps it. This is a silly move.

Originally Posted by John Bonnes

I'm agreeing with Nick. Burroughs has done less than nothing, but it's 18 AB and his value wasn't just as a left-hande pinch hitter. his value was as a possible platoon option for Valencia. I don't understand discarding that, unless they were sure that he was going to clear waivers. (Or there is some news we don't know about....)

But the key question here is why make that move over some others. There is no way Gray is claimed. Probably not Maloney. But Nick raised the biggest question which is why not just put Morneau on the DL? Why in the hell is this team completely incapable of just throwing a guy on the DL who is obviously hurting, based both on his perfromace and the fact that they rushed him out to a specialist?

Morneau's WPA right now is -.21. I wonder if he'll play prior to 5/15. And if he does, I'm betting he hurts the team more than he helps it. This is a silly move.

Exactly. It isn't about Burroughs, it's about the fact that this is yet another strange roster move that seems less desirable than some others. It's indicative of bad thinking about player personnel.

And of course the Morneau situation only adds deeply to that. ONCE AGAIN, just DL the guy instead of messing around with the hope that it's a 4-day situation.

My only problem is that the Twins don't have any backup infielders and utility men now. Burroughs wasn't a good player, but he DID have the ability to make Valencia sit on the bench. That in itself has some value.

Originally Posted by John Bonnes

I'm agreeing with Nick. Burroughs has done less than nothing, but it's 18 AB and his value wasn't just as a left-hande pinch hitter. his value was as a possible platoon option for Valencia. I don't understand discarding that, unless they were sure that he was going to clear waivers. (Or there is some news we don't know about....)

But the key question here is why make that move over some others. There is no way Gray is claimed. Probably not Maloney. But Nick raised the biggest question which is why not just put Morneau on the DL? Why in the hell is this team completely incapable of just throwing a guy on the DL who is obviously hurting, based both on his perfromace and the fact that they rushed him out to a specialist?

Morneau's WPA right now is -.21. I wonder if he'll play prior to 5/15. And if he does, I'm betting he hurts the team more than he helps it. This is a silly move.

They couldn't retroactively place Morneau on the DL, and if they suspect he's ready to play well before the 15 game mark, then I see why they didn't go that route. And while I have no love loss for Burroughs, the larger problem is why we have no one behind him.

For those so anxious to convert Carroll into a utility bench, I don't get it. He's delivering exactly as promised: getting on base, fielding his position better than adequately (and certainly better than we've seen for a long time, Hardy's injury-shortened season somewhat excepted). He's even made a number of clutch hits. Dozier has NOT performed well at Roch, and frankly isn't a highly ranked prospect. I don't see any reason to move Carroll anywhere (and particularly not out of the 2 hole, particularly given Alexi's performance last night, but even absent that).

Burroughs has the lowest BA on the team...no surprise to me that he's gone.

Hmmnn... The Son of Sal Returns. Lock your doors ladies and gentlemen. Plouffe at 3B tonight - I'm cool with it. Let's see what happens.

At this point getting swept by the ****ing Angels 0-9, does the Burroughs move really matter? Why did they release Hughes last week who at least could put the bat on the ball unlike Burroughs? They're now 6-18. They look like they don't have a clue from game to game. Every pitcher is a crapshoot. Fundamentally, they're a terrible team. They're heading for a 40-122 season and I don't see a sliver of hope anywhere. There was a play tonight where Plouffe should have come in for a bunt and instead he stayed back and missed a chance at a DP. No communication, no heads up on Plouffe's part. Get rid of Gardenhire and Ryan, draft power pitchers, get rid of "The Twins Way", startt fresh, the philosophy is shot. Kyle Lohse looks like Cy Young these days. It's very depressing.