Thread: Article: Anatomy Of A Mauer Boo

Originally Posted by Paul

"And no matter how good Mauer is as a player" there will be no end to the blame we will heap on him.

If you want to be the face of the franchise, you have to take the good with the bad. QBs get booed for the whole team's effort, not just their's, for example. If you want the big bucks, if you want the entire marketing campaing to built around you, if you want to be the face of the team, you need to realize you are going to take the brunt of the boos and badness, along with the goodness. If he didn't want that, he shouldn't have embraced it.

Originally Posted by CDog

This seems to be an indication that you don't understand how WAR is calculated or what it's measuring. It measures exactly what your second paragraph says you want it to.

Talk about irony.

Can you offer a single shred of hard evidence WAR does what you say it does?

I thought not.

USA, that's what it tries to do, no one can prove a positive....but that second paragraph is exactly what WAR is trying to do. And, it is based on hits, and slg and everything else you expect it to be based on.

Originally Posted by mike wants wins

If you want to be the face of the franchise, you have to take the good with the bad. QBs get booed for the whole team's effort, not just their's, for example. If you want the big bucks, if you want the entire marketing campaing to built around you, if you want to be the face of the team, you need to realize you are going to take the brunt of the boos and badness, along with the goodness. If he didn't want that, he shouldn't have embraced it.

If only you were there negotiating for the Twins, Mike. Kidding aside, what makes you think the Twins didn't know exactly what they were purchasing with their 183 million?

Originally Posted by mike wants wins

USA, that's what it tries to do, no one can prove a positive....but that second paragraph is exactly what WAR is trying to do. And, it is based on hits, and slg and everything else you expect it to be based on.

I know exactly what WAR claims to measure. I'd venture I know more about WAR than most everyone here who tosses it about in an attempt to sound sophisticated. And of course people are free to do that.

But I get irritated when people claim WAR has been proven to measure anything. It hasn't.

I also disagree that no one can prove a positive. I think you have that backwards.

you can only prove something cannot happen, not that it can happen...

No one that is a true WAR believer would claim that it has been proven to do anything, not on the Fangraphs site.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

Talk about irony.

Can you offer a single shred of hard evidence WAR does what you say it does?

I thought not.

Excellent argument. You've pulled off the written equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and running around the room shouting, "Lalalalalala I can't hear you!"

WAR is a mathematical combination of measurement made from recorded observations. That's what I "say it does." The documentation is available for anyone who wants it. You claim to have read it. You have exhibited that you do not understand what you have read. In another thread you made claims that imply either a) you think temperature, pressure, and time are measured on the same scale in the same units or b) that you don't get the idea of adding. In that same thread, you claimed that arithmetic is not objective. At least this time you didn't make any claims quite that embarrassing, you only acted childish and ignorant.

We get that you don't understand the statistic. It almost seems "personal," though. Did WAR do something to you? It's just math, dude. It's not the enemy.

Originally Posted by CDog

Excellent argument. You've pulled off the written equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and running around the room shouting, "Lalalalalala I can't hear you!"

WAR is a mathematical combination of measurement made from recorded observations. That's what I "say it does." The documentation is available for anyone who wants it. You claim to have read it. You have exhibited that you do not understand what you have read. In another thread you made claims that imply either a) you think temperature, pressure, and time are measured on the same scale in the same units or b) that you don't get the idea of adding. In that same thread, you claimed that arithmetic is not objective. At least this time you didn't make any claims quite that embarrassing, you only acted childish and ignorant.

We get that you don't understand the statistic. It almost seems "personal," though. Did WAR do something to you? It's just math, dude. It's not the enemy.

Previously you stated WAR "measures exactly" what another poster said he wanted measured.

Now you're backing away from that statement.

I'll accept that as a victory and humbly move on.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

Previously you stated WAR "measures exactly" what another poster said he wanted measured.

Now you're backing away from that statement.

I'll accept that as a victory.

So you tell a lie and count that as a victory? That's kinda sad.

Back to booing Mauer...those of you who have managed stock portfolios know that a stock can go down because investors don't know what to expect in the future. When uncertainty is prevalent, a vast majority of investors get real negative and very emotional. This is when the minority buys what the negative guys sell.

Mauer's stock has fallen because we don't know what to expect from him yet. I think the boos are from negative, uncertain fans. This WAR stuff? Nah. These boos have nothing really to do with a deep analysis by the boo birds.

Now, I've thought of booing General Soreness too. You know, I don't want him to change his swing to produce more power. But dammit, couldn't he occasionally adjust his swing in hitters counts and look to loft it out? Geez.