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#1 DreInWA

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 04:36 PM

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 05:02 PM

Good read. Would be ok with Pinto here or in AAA, just as long as he's playing as much as he can handle. If 'sitting next to Steiny' and watching baseball instead of playing it had much educational value, then my question as owner or president would be "Why weren't you guys doing that with him in the offseason using game tapes?"

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 05:35 PM

Good read. Would be ok with Pinto here or in AAA, just as long as he's playing as much as he can handle. If 'sitting next to Steiny' and watching baseball instead of playing it had much educational value, then my question as owner or president would be "Why weren't you guys doing that with him in the offseason using game tapes?"


I agree with this. I have coached baseball and basketball at the high school level and younger, played many sports and followed college and professional sports. It has generally been easier for me to learn by doing rather than watching or listening. That seems to be true for most other people I have coached or observed as well. Sure, everyone benefits from coaching but in the long run you have get out and figure out things for your self.

Having experienced catchers like Mauer and Steiny telling you things about calling a game is great. Eventually, though you just have to go out there and figure out how to call they game, work with the different pitchers, get along with the various umpires, in your own way. Pinto will likely benefit most from getting behind the plate, making some mistakes but learning from them.

I believe I read, probably on this site, that the Twins have a lot of off days in April. I haven't checked a schedule, but if you combine that with probable lost games due to cold, snow, or rain and the Twins desire to begin the season with Suzuki as the primary catcher, well I don't want Pinto sitting on the bench for most of the first month of the season. So I won't be upset if Pinto begins the year in AAA.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 05:47 PM

If Gardy sends down both Parmelee and Colabello, then our backup first baseman must be Plouffe with Escobar at third. In my opinion, Colabello earned a place on this team, and sending him down is criminal. Are we really to think that Hermann would be a better bat off the bench than Colabello? This will be a painful offense to watch this season.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 06:09 PM

If Gardy sends down both Parmelee and Colabello, then our backup first baseman must be Plouffe with Escobar at third. In my opinion, Colabello earned a place on this team, and sending him down is criminal. Are we really to think that Hermann would be a better bat off the bench than Colabello? This will be a painful offense to watch this season.

While I am not in favor of Herrmann making the club, he does add versatility and has had a nice spring himself. I believed that Colabello failed his tryout last year and wouldn't be looked at seriously to make the club this spring, but he has stepped forward and some have stepped backward. It should be noted that most of his lusty hitting was early and off minor leaguers (Luke Hughes anyone?).

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 09:46 PM

This fear of losing his DH obsession makes my brain go numb. Its so illogical. On a team this offensively inept, how can ANYONE rationalize not having his bat in the lineup everyday? Everyone seems to over-analyze this to death, when it should be so simple. He's probably the second best hitter on this team. Watching him at the plate its obvious he's up there with a plan. He's not wildly flailing like Arcia. He should do an 80/20 DH to catching ratio until he proves he's not ready to hit at this level. But the thought of sending him to Rochester so he can play everyday is absurd because he could easily play everyday here and help them win games.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:54 PM

LEN3 said today "With Herrmann on the team, Gardenhire said he could use Josmil Pinto as a designated hitter at times.

`Would you like to see Pinto hit more?' Gardenhire asked."

Sooo… seems to be he's considering the proposal you're making here. I'd rather have Hermann on the team than Colabello if it means more at bats for Pinto. I like Colabello 'n all and his story but he's not really much of a major leaguer IMO. Especially if he's stuck on always going the other way, not what is needed from a right handed hitter in TF.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 11:09 PM

This is ridiculous. Catch Pinto twice a week. DH him twice a week. That's plenty of AB's. The odds of Suzuki getting hurt in the 50 games Pinto DH's is unlikely. If it does happen, for pete's sake we have a 1B who's caught a few hundred games. Having him catch a few innings in an emergency is not a problem. Good lord.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 11:23 PM

[COLOR=#3E3E3E]“I’m not looking for a DH candidate in a catcher,” says Gardenhire. “I need two catchers. If I have that then I’m going to need three catchers and I don’t want to do that.”

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[COLOR=#3E3E3E]Honestly, does he think the sky will fall if a pitcher touches a bat?
Wow.

How many times has this scenario come to pass in the last 10 years.
Twice?


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Edited by Oldgoat_MN, 23 March 2014 - 11:25 PM.
Overly appalled by our manager.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:20 AM

Gardy and his no DH, for at most a few innings, worry is one of the silliest things ever to come out of his mouth.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:24 AM

It appears Chris Herrmann will be doing his enabling from Rochester. I'm pretty sure that means Pinto makes the team.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 11:21 AM

I do believe that what Gardy is trying to do is have Pinto stay up and likely will split time with Suzuki dpending on matchups. Try to ease him in instead of throwing him to the wolves - did not work with Hicks, etc.....

Logically this makes a fair amount of sense as if he catches 3 games a week and can pinch hit here and there he will learn the pitchers and continue to work on his catching with Stieny. I am sure everyone sat down and this was a "team" decision.

What I see that Pinto will be catching 60-70% by the all star break and Suzuki will be the backup which is what he really is here for.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:24 PM

I agree that Pinto should ultimately be the starting catcher, some time this year. But there's no rush. When he is ready, he'll get his opportunity. Probably in June. As for the DH thing, it is silly. But it isn't just about losing the DH when he subs for Suzuki. It's also about wear and tear. He likes to give his catchers full days off. If he uses his catchers as the DH, he thinks they'll wear down faster, probably because he saw that with both Doumit and Mauer. I still thinks it's strange when we're talking about a 25 year old. But that's at least part of his rationale.

#14 Marta Shearing

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:29 PM

It appears Chris Herrmann will be doing his enabling from Rochester. I'm pretty sure that means Pinto makes the team.

And sits 4-5 games a week.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:36 PM

I agree that Pinto should ultimately be the starting catcher, some time this year. But there's no rush. When he is ready, he'll get his opportunity. Probably in June. As for the DH thing, it is silly. But it isn't just about losing the DH when he subs for Suzuki. It's also about wear and tear. He likes to give his catchers full days off. If he uses his catchers as the DH, he thinks they'll wear down faster, probably because he saw that with both Doumit and Mauer. I still thinks it's strange when we're talking about a 25 year old. But that's at least part of his rationale.

So you're saying Gardy is worried pinto will wear down DH'ing five games a week and catching two? I don't think swinging the bat and running the bases is especially grueling.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:46 PM

So you're saying Gardy is worried pinto will wear down DH'ing five games a week and catching two? I don't think swinging the bat and running the bases is especially grueling.


First of all, he'll catch more than that. Second, Suzuki will not DH. Beyond that, I did say it seemed silly. I'm just paraphrasing what Gardy said.
"If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:57 PM

This is ridiculous. Catch Pinto twice a week. DH him twice a week. That's plenty of AB's. The odds of Suzuki getting hurt in the 50 games Pinto DH's is unlikely. If it does happen, for pete's sake we have a 1B who's caught a few hundred games. Having him catch a few innings in an emergency is not a problem. Good lord.


Don't go making sense .....

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:05 PM

Don't go making sense .....


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:12 PM

Under no scenario should Mauer be considered an emergency catcher.

Pinto will be catching 4-5 days a week come may 15th, book it

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:21 PM

The confusing thing is if defense is the reason Pinto isnt the starting catcher, how is he supposed to improve his defense sitting on the bench? I could justify him making the team if he was the everyday DH, but as backup catcher? Twins fans should feel very betrayed that a terrible player like Kubel is not only stealing money, but stealing playing time from our young players.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

The confusing thing is if defense is the reason Pinto isnt the starting catcher, how is he supposed to improve his defense sitting on the bench?


Sit next to a former all-star at the position, and apply the advice every third game or so, for a while? Then every second game?

I'm not sure it's a lock that Pinto will be a 100+ OPS hitter to start out, last September notwithstanding.

Twins fans should feel very betrayed


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

The confusing thing is if defense is the reason Pinto isnt the starting catcher, how is he supposed to improve his defense sitting on the bench? I could justify him making the team if he was the everyday DH, but as backup catcher? Twins fans should feel very betrayed that a terrible player like Kubel is not only stealing money, but stealing playing time from our young players.


I think what most concerned a lot of TD posters like myself, was that Pinto might not even make the team. Well, he made the team.

This won't be a settled starter-backup situation where the backup guy only plays day games after night games or catches a single pitcher. Pinto is going to play quite a bit. In my ideal world yeah it would be a Pinto/Herrmann competition this year but it is what it is, Suzuki is on a one year contract.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:58 PM

Pinto DH's and Suzuki gets hurt so Pinto has to catch and then a pitcher has to bat. I hate to be that guy but we might have pitchers that can hit just as well as a couple of our batters.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

I hate to be that guy but we might have pitchers that can hit just as well as a couple of our batters.


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#25 DreInWA

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:40 PM

This is the most civil comment section I have ever seen. Quick, someone say something negative about Mauer!

Thanks for the comments, I think we all pretty much agree.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:28 PM

I think we all pretty much agree.


I wouldn't go that far. :)

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 10:31 PM

Under no scenario should Mauer be considered an emergency catcher.

Pinto will be catching 4-5 days a week come may 15th, book it


Why can't Mauer be the emergency catcher? How often have we had to use one? Ever? If Mauer has to catch 2 innings a year due to some weird circumstance that's a non-starter? Really?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:19 AM

Because they moved Mauer off of catching so he stays healthy. Why risk your best player for even 1 pitch? Does that one game matter as much as keeping your best player healthy? No, it does not.
Lighten up Francis....

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:33 AM

Why can't Mauer be the emergency catcher? How often have we had to use one? Ever? If Mauer has to catch 2 innings a year due to some weird circumstance that's a non-starter? Really?


In addition to what mike said, catching is very different than other positions. You repeatedly have to catch 90+ MPH objects coming directly at you, with a batter violenty swinging a bat a few inches from your head, in a crouched position wearing bulky equipment. It's not something that you can safely get accustomed to (or re-accustomed to) at the drop of a hat.

Now, if Mauer was still working with pitchers on the side or anything, that might be a little different. But why make him do that, on the off chance there's 2 innings you need him in an emergency?

That's why teams basically never use any kind of starting-level player as their emergency catcher. It's just not worth the risk.

It would be interesting, though, if the emergency situation arose in an elimination game... very VERY slim odds of that ever happening though, certainly for the Twins this year!

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:42 AM

A third/ermegency catcher is a phone call away. It just shouldn't be an issue. But it is for this team. Not sure why.
Lighten up Francis....