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#21 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:38 PM

Hahahaha... I never realized how much dough we are going to have to pay Sano and Buxton if they are as good as we hope. Hoo boy. In 8 years, nobody will remember the griping about Mauer's big contract 'cause we'll be stuck with 2 players hogging half the whole payroll.


That's why you sign one of em early to save a bit. Hell though, if the Tigers can have Verlander, Miggy and Scherzer all signed long term, the Twins can make it work.
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#22 TheLeviathan

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:56 PM

10 years, $130 million. Options and buyouts involved too. I cannot imagine anyone being silly enough to go for anything less given how crazy the market could be 7 years from now.


This is the key. If you can't reach a dollar value that gets the agent salivating, it's a moot point whether it makes sense for the Twins.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:31 PM

Signing a long term contract early for a sense of security?? A player who gets a $6,000,000 signing bonus may be willing to gamble a little. We've been told his major purchase so far is a Ford F150. I don't think Mr. Buxton is worried about starvation for some time to come.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:12 PM

Signing a long term contract early for a sense of security?? A player who gets a $6,000,000 signing bonus may be willing to gamble a little. We've been told his major purchase so far is a Ford F150. I don't think Mr. Buxton is worried about starvation for some time to come.

Prob closer to $3 million after taxes, agents, etc. Certainly a good amount but hardly (whole family set for life)
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:22 PM

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#26 Seth Stohs

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:30 PM

Hahahaha... I never realized how much dough we are going to have to pay Sano and Buxton if they are as good as we hope. Hoo boy. In 8 years, nobody will remember the griping about Mauer's big contract 'cause we'll be stuck with 2 players hogging half the whole payroll.


And people will gripe about their contracts for some reason or another.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:34 PM

Two words why I am against this:

Bo Jackson

and two more:

Mark Prior


That's definitely the risk. No question.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:02 PM

In 8 years, nobody will remember the griping about Mauer's big contract


The way that happens is usually that you got 7 years out of the player that were good enough to justify the huge payday for the coming year(s). It's just the way the CBA works. The hope under this system is to keep the pipeline of young cheap talent coming so that you can always afford multiple eight-figure salaries at any given time.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:34 PM

Prob closer to $3 million after taxes, agents, etc. Certainly a good amount but hardly (whole family set for life)

I'm not saying I don't like the idea. But I think it will be more expensive than most think. If I have $3million in the bank, I won't play Powerball till the jackpot is huge. They need to make sure this kid loves playing for the Twins and wants to stay. Maybe Gardy needs to tuck him in at night, tell him a story and shine his cleats. Whatever it takes! #1 build a winning team around him. Playing for Twins the last 3 seasons wouldn't have been all giggles. All the signs say this kid is going to be special. He needs to think the team is headed in that direction too. We need to find a way to get him to follow Seth. I know it helps my attitude.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:53 PM

Good point. a deal would likely fall between Longoria's incredibly team friendly 15 years-144 million and Trout's not so friendly 6 year 150 million.

I wonder how much of a contract like that can be insured? My understanding was 4-5 years was about the max for a pitcher but you could insure more for a position player

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:56 PM

That is why they are option years, if he falls off the map you buy him out for 4 million.


I don't disagree, I'm game for that deal, it just seems very un-Twinlike.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:39 PM

No doubt in my mind you have to go for this. Whether or not the Twins will is another question. You need a foundation for long term success. Is there risk involved? Yes. That might just be why Byron decides to sign, interestingly enough. It won't be nearly as good as Longoria's deal, but my hope is that we can lock him in for a few post-arb years and still have a chance at re-signing Sano if he is the real deal after all.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:20 PM

Part of this might depend on when he makes The Show. I say that because the trend (and honestly, rightfully so) seems to be for these ultra-talents to seek the "security" payday now while being in position to hit the FA market before age 30. Let's say Buxton is up in September with the presumption that he's here to stay. I'd be shocked if his agent goes for more than 7-8 years, guaranteeing his freedom by 29. Delay his arrival, and the window to buy out FA years as part of the deal starts dwindling.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:29 PM

Two words why I am against this:

Bo Jackson

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Mark Prior


The team will forever be hamstrung by the 4M buyouts. They won't be able to afford the Kevin Corriea's and Mike Pelfrey's of the league. Whatever will they do?

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:58 PM

The team will forever be hamstrung by the 4M buyouts. They won't be able to afford the Kevin Corriea's and Mike Pelfrey's of the league. Whatever will they do?


Moderator note: this is a good thread. Let's not take it off track with sarcasm.

#36 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:03 AM

Two words why I am against this:

Bo Jackson

and two more:

Mark Prior


Yeah it's a risk, we established that. Several more words:
Bryce Harper
Mike Trout
Evan Longoria
Giancarlo Stanton
Stephen Strausburg
David Price
Matt Wieters
King Felix
Joe Mauer
Justin Upton
BJ Upton even!

All #1 or #2 guys over the past few years who easily would be worth said contract offer (especially considering the team options/buyouts)

Edited by SpiritofVodkaDave, 26 February 2014 - 12:06 AM.

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#37 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:10 AM

Moderator note: this is a good thread. Let's not take it off track with sarcasm.


I don't see that as over the top, yeah it was a bit of a sarcastic tone, but Kab brings up a good point, the $4 million buy outs wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it absolutely had to happen.
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#38 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

Sounds like a good idea. I might even consider Meyer for this even though he doesn't have the Strasburg/Price/Hernandez pedigree from your list. Buxton & Meyer really seem to have their head in the right place though.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:59 AM

The answer is it depends on the terms of the deal and how sure the Twins FO is that Buxton will live up to expectations. (Not the Willie Mays expectations but high expectations). I think you do it if the terms are reasonable but I don't think you do it the first two weeks he us up. Take a little time to evaluate a huge investment.

What about Dozier? I see on MLB rumors he is open to an extension. With him you have a floor that looks to be pretty high. You still might end up trading him and putting Rosario at 2B but a reasonable contract helps facilitate such a transaction.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:24 AM

Two words why I am against this:

Bo Jackson

and two more:

Mark Prior


Bo had 7 years with some sick numbers. He finished with a .780 OPS and was close to 30-30 a few times. I would see the downside as more dramatic than that. Think Andy Marte.

18 year old in A - .831 OPS, 18 HR
19 year old in A+ - .840 OPS, 19 HR
20 year old in AA - .910 OPS, 20 HR

At that point he was a top prospect. 10 years later he had a .635 OPS in 930 AB's, over 8 seasons.

With Buxton you would think he will be above average in the field and on the bases, barring a series of injuries. At a very minimum.