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#21 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:50 PM

To me Raley is simply just another warm body, how many really does the team need in Fort Myers? Signings such as these are surely getting tiresome, aren't they?


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#22 jokin

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:56 PM

Because Capuano is a starter and would command a guarantee contract? While Raley is a zero risk guy? Apples and Oranges really.


Apples and Oranges?, not really for Raley-

107 career minor league appearances, 102 starts. 5 major league appearances in 2012, 5 starts. (25 of 27 2013 appearances in AAA were also starts, the guy's job has been as a starter until his 9 lousy relief appearances for the Cubs last year.)

Apples or Oranges, no....Prime Rib versus a Soup Bone, yes.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:01 PM

More garbage. Always scraping the dumpster to try to find something useful--the need is quality, not utility.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:05 PM

I don't understand the dislike of this move. The Twins picked up a pitcher with some major league experience on waivers. You are not going to find a top of the rotation pitcher on waivers. They didn't sign him, he is already under contract (probably at major league minimum). They probably don't have to pay him until spring training at the earliest. While he is currently a long shot to make the opening day roster, he could come in handy later in the season.

The Twins also still need to stock a AAA roster as well as the major league roster. With the possibility of the Twins losing some pitchers due to players with no options left (Deduno, Diamond, Worley), they will need some bodies to fill their roster places. Raley is a "replacement level" pitcher. He will probably replace one of the pitchers that the Twins lose.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:05 PM

The important thing is we cant pick up anyone that could help us on offense because, heaven forbid, we might have to expose one of our mid 80's throwing AAAA arms to waivers! eek!

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:11 PM

I think the Twins see something they like.

Working out of the bullpen in the majors for the first time last year, he faced 25 LHB. They hit .182/.280/.227 and struck out 32% of the time. Small sample, but perhaps his stuff plays up out of the pen.

He's 25 and has an option remaining. I don't see any downside.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:13 PM

I don't understand the dislike of this move. The Twins picked up a pitcher with some major league experience on waivers. You are not going to find a top of the rotation pitcher on waivers. They didn't sign him, he is already under contract (probably at major league minimum). They probably don't have to pay him until spring training at the earliest. While he is currently a long shot to make the opening day roster, he could come in handy later in the season.

The Twins also still need to stock a AAA roster as well as the major league roster. With the possibility of the Twins losing some pitchers due to players with no options left (Deduno, Diamond, Worley), they will need some bodies to fill their roster places.

Raley is a "replacement level" pitcher. He will probably replace one of the pitchers that the Twins lose.


I was with you until the bolded statement. In truth, Raley is a
"below-replacement-level" pitcher (BRef WAR -0.9 FRef WAR -0.6). The definition of a wasted roster-filling space if he ends up sticking with the organization.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:20 PM

I don't understand the dislike of this move. The Twins picked up a pitcher with some major league experience on waivers. You are not going to find a top of the rotation pitcher on waivers. They didn't sign him, he is already under contract (probably at major league minimum). They probably don't have to pay him until spring training at the earliest. While he is currently a long shot to make the opening day roster, he could come in handy later in the season.

The Twins also still need to stock a AAA roster as well as the major league roster. With the possibility of the Twins losing some pitchers due to players with no options left (Deduno, Diamond, Worley), they will need some bodies to fill their roster places. Raley is a "replacement level" pitcher. He will probably replace one of the pitchers that the Twins lose.


He has a 40 man spot, it is now full. That MIGHT keep them from promoting / claiming / trading for / signing a guy that is not on the roster, in fear of losing him or another likely awful player. Again, every move has both up and downside risk. There is no move w/o risk.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:34 PM

Personally I just think this is payback for the Cubs claiming Hendricks earlier as I think they were hoping he might slip through. Otherwise this move makes no sense to me as they don't need anymore pitchers clogging up AAA. I don't see anything in this guy they can't get out of one of there own prospects.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:37 PM

I think the Twins see something they like.

Working out of the bullpen in the majors for the first time last year, he faced 25 LHB. They hit .182/.280/.227 and struck out 32% of the time. Small sample, but perhaps his stuff plays up out of the pen.

He's 25 and has an option remaining. I don't see any downside.


I agree with his relative youth and option flexibility as good points with the little downside argument, except that he occupies a roster space. I would hope that Seth is on the right track here, and that the Twins attempt to run him through waivers again.

Also, your sample size is extremely small, negative as well as positive results show up amongst those SSS numbers. His MLB career FIP against lefties is 5.40 and against righties is 6.92. His larger sample minor league numbers are about the same versus both left and right, not suggesting a strong LOOGY candidate---


They may as well have never released Tyler Robertson- both his minor and major league numbers are much better against lefties than Raley. (Anyone nostalgic about the Tyler Robertson era?)


Against both sides, at the MLB level, he also has given up very high Iso power numbers of .210 and .234.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:46 PM

Meh
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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:02 PM

I think the Twins see something they like.

Working out of the bullpen in the majors for the first time last year, he faced 25 LHB. They hit .182/.280/.227 and struck out 32% of the time. Small sample, but perhaps his stuff plays up out of the pen.

He's 25 and has an option remaining. I don't see any downside.


Interesting take, JP, thanks.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:06 PM

Meh


Couldn't have said it better. At some point in time last season, a Twins official said lack of lefties is an organizational weakness. Since that time we have picked up Sulbaran, Kris Johnson, Gilmartin, and Raley. Small, minute risk moves.

Edited by howieramone, 12 February 2014 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:11 PM

Here is why I don't like this move:

Assume that Worley, Diamond and Deduno (all without options) make the team out of ST, which means that one of them will be the 5th starter and the other 2 in the pen which will send 2 out of the relievers with options (Fien?, Thielbar?, Tonkin?) to Rochester.

Kyle Gibson, Alex Meyer, Kris Johnson, Logar Darnell, Pat Deat (the last 3 LHSP btw, just like Raley), Vasquez will be competing for 5 rotation spots in Rochester with one being sent to New Britain or in the pen. Add Raley, that is 2 in New Britain or in the pen. Gibson will not be one of them, but if this sends one of Alex Meyer (mostly), Pat Dean or Logan Darnell (all guys with higher upside and better performance than Raley,) to New Britain, it would be a shame...
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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:16 PM

Interesting take, JP, thanks.


Robertson and Raley, 6 months apart in age.
Similar major league experience.
Identical salary structure.
Both would take up a roster spot.

Robertson much better against lefties with higher velocity.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:18 PM

Here is why I don't like this move:

Assume that Worley, Diamond and Deduno (all without options) make the team out of ST, which means that one of them will be the 5th starter and the other 2 in the pen which will send 2 out of the relievers with options (Fien?, Thielbar?, Tonkin?) to Rochester.

Kyle Gibson, Alex Meyer, Kris Johnson, Logar Darnell, Pat Deat (the last 3 LHSP btw, just like Raley), Vasquez will be competing for 5 rotation spots in Rochester with one being sent to New Britain or in the pen. Add Raley, that is 2 in New Britain or in the pen. Gibson will not be one of them, but if this sends one of Alex Meyer (mostly), Pat Dean or Logan Darnell (all guys with higher upside and better performance than Raley,) to New Britain, it would be a shame...


And Gilmartin?

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

And Gilmartin?


Thank you. Forgot about him. That makes it 4 LHSP in the system with higher potential than Raley already. And 3 of the aforementioned would need to go to NB, which will push a whole bunch of others to the Fort Myers' rotation and others to Beloit's etc...
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#38 JP3700

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:23 PM

Also, your sample size is extremely small, negative as well as positive results show up amongst those SSS numbers. His MLB career FIP against lefties is 5.40 and against righties is 6.92. His larger sample minor league numbers are about the same versus both left and right, not suggesting a strong LOOGY candidate



I had already mentioned that it's a small sample. Those MLB numbers include his five starts and the minor league numbers are of him as a starter. The numbers I posted are strictly as a reliever against LHB.

As I mentioned, perhaps his stuff plays up in the bullpen. Maybe between their scouts and their video of him, the Twins see something that could make him an effective reliever.

I don't know much of anything about the guy, but looking at the numbers I found that might be something the Twins might like. Either way, it's really nothing to go too worked up about.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:23 PM

You know it's a slow time of year for baseball and the team when a minor waiver claim gets two pages of responses in just a few hours!

Every team is making minor adjustments to their 40 man roster right now. Raley might not even be on the 40 man in a week.

I'm hoping this thread gets up to at least 5 pages. Get to work!

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:29 PM

Raley might not even be on the 40 man in a week.

I'm hoping this thread gets up to at least 5 pages. Get to work!


I'm counting on just such an event as being the capstone on this thread when Raley somehow manages to clear waivers.