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#1 righty8383

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:43 AM

ESPN has just released Keith Law's Farm System Rankings. You have to be an insider to read the whole thing but I will share that the Twins are ranked 2nd behind the Astros.
One quick quote...

They have a pair of potential future MVP candidates in Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano, with more power arms than this system has had in ages


Tomorrow they will come out with Klaw's top 100 which I will share here. Then Thursday the top 10 list for each AL team. Looking forward to both.

#2 Shane Wahl

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:51 AM

Thanks! I think I would put the Astros just ahead as well, and then the Cubs, Red Sox, Pirates, and Royals right behind the Twins.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:52 AM

It's nice praise given that Law doesn't seem to be a big fan of the Twins in general. He loves his tools too, so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a lot of Twins in his top 100.

#4 InfraRen

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:00 AM

Just that little blurb is more exciting than anything else in Twins fans short-term memory. Excite!
Till I Collapse

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:21 AM

I'd agree with Law on this one. The Pirates are right there as well along with the Cubs and Red Sox. He also mentions that the Astros have just a slight bit more depth than the Twins and says "the gap between the systems is quite small".

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:42 AM

Considering we graduated three top 100 guys off of Laws list last year (Hicks, Gibson and Arcia) it's remarkable how strong the system still is.

#7 righty8383

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:00 AM

Top 100 out today. 1-50 and 51-100

Buxton-1
Sano-8
Rosario-49
Meyer-62
Stewart-76

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:10 AM

I'm sure many here will share the same sentiment as me that Meyer was a little lower than expected.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:19 AM

Wow...

Addison Russell, #3. Well, he was 19...and he A+ ball pretty well.

Interesting, he only has 5 Twins on the top 100, but yet, felt they were neck and neck with the Astros for the #1 overall farm system. Astros had 9 guys?

#10 righty8383

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:35 AM

I counted 7 for the Astros.

#11 Nate Haseman

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:04 AM

I'm looking forward to the Astros returning to relevancy in the near future. It will be fun to see both them and the Athletics fighting for the top spot in the West and beating out the big payroll Rangers and Angels.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

I'd guess that Meyer's and Stewart's rankings mostly reflect the fact that the minor leagues are loaded right now with elite pitching prospects. We just graduated three prospects (Gibson, Hicks, Arcia), which was two more prospects that the White Sox had on last year's list. To be even a top 5 system is huge these days, because the changes in the rules are making it much more difficult to improve your farm system relative to others. I look at the AL Central and see KC as the big threat (ranked #7) because they have three elite pitching prospects ready soon, and good overall depth to eventually supplement their young nucleus in the show. Then teams fall off the cliff. Cleveland is ranked #17, Chicago #26 and Detroit #28?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:25 AM

Sano at 8 is ridiculous. Typical KLaw and his Twins hating ways....

#14 dakotanative

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:04 AM

Sano at 8 is ridiculous. Typical KLaw and his Twins hating ways....


I do not know if one can really say that. KLaw did rank the Twins system as number two and that doesn't sound like hating to me. Now having said that I do think he is a bit full of himself and does not like to admit he is wrong and he has been wrong about many things on the Twins.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:06 AM

Sano at 8 is ridiculous. Typical KLaw and his Twins hating ways....


KLaw really likes the "total package" guys, and defense is a huge part of that package. If Sano is going to play below-average defense, his "best offensive prospect in the minors" status is only going to carry him so high.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:29 AM

When five of the top 7 players are shortstops, it's fair to say Law values defensive chops. And when none of the top eight are pitchers, it's fair to say TINSTAAPP applies, too.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:39 AM

Rosario is the top rated 2B, and I was surprised to see Wong listed so low. Is the higher rating for Rosario based on Laws projection to move him out to OF after his suspension? I realize that Rosario's experience in the middle infield is limited, but have we thought about trying him at SS?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:09 PM

I was surprised to here the "rumors" about Rosario being an alleged bad kid. Again, in his chat, KLaw was asked something about his character and he reiterated the point that he had questionable character. If Klaw hears it, I would bet it has some wheels. The kid did fail two drug tests. I don't understand kids smoking pot when they know they can be tested...dumb

#19 tobi0040

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:22 PM

KLaw really likes the "total package" guys, and defense is a huge part of that package. If Sano is going to play below-average defense, his "best offensive prospect in the minors" status is only going to carry him so high.


I agree, and Sano's defense may impact his value at the plate. If he can't stick at 3B and moves to 1B, LF, or DH his value drops. He would still lead this team in OPS or be in the top 2, but his value takes a hit. Compare that with guys that can hit and are locks to stay at SS like Correa or Russell. Some find his K's as an issue as well.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:23 PM

Top 100 out today. 1-50 and 51-100

Buxton-1
Sano-8
Rosario-49
Meyer-62
Stewart-76


Did he expand on Meyer at all? Seems like a 98 mph fastball and 91 mph slider would be closer to MLB's ranking of 28.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:44 PM

Twins questions and answers from his chat today:
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Buxton/Meyer or Appel/Correa - which duo would you prefer?[/FONT][/COLOR]
Klaw (1:25 PM)
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Appel/Correa of those choices.

Re: Rosario - it is unfortunate that MLB's silly and inconsistent recreation drug testing policy will cost him a large portion of this season.
[/FONT][/COLOR]Klaw (1:27 PM)
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]I agree with you on the principle, but Rosario's makeup isn't the greatest, and I wonder if this might be a wakeup call for the kid to clean up his act. He has way too much ability to let something like that get in between him and the big leagues.

What do you see as Hunter Harvey's advantages over Kohl Stewart, who some saw as the number 1 guy in the draft?[/FONT][/COLOR]
Klaw (1:34 PM)
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Harvey came on very strong over the summer after signing, and the Orioles managed to get big results from small tweaks to his delivery. I still love Stewart's upside, but the Twins have more cleanup work to do with him than the O's did with Harvey.

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Out of your list, who would you say would be most likely to become an MVP candidate[/FONT][/COLOR]
Klaw (1:36 PM)
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Buxton.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]
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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:53 PM

Did he expand on Meyer at all? Seems like a 98 mph fastball and 91 mph slider would be closer to MLB's ranking of 28.


He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:

[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]only Randy Johnson and J.R. Richard have reached 20-plus WAR among pitchers 6-foot-8 or taller, and only Johnson has made 250 starts.[/FONT][/COLOR]


As for Stewart, he says he has incredible raw stuff but expects it will take a long time, perhaps as long as five years, for him to iron it out and move his way through the system. He calls his delivery "crude".

#23 cmb0252

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:02 PM

He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:



As for Stewart, he says he has incredible raw stuff but expects it will take a long time, perhaps as long as five years, for him to iron it out and move his way through the system. He calls his delivery "crude".


His comments on Stewart are odd seeing his coworker Christopher Crawford and BA said Stewart could be the first HS player to make the bigs. While his delivery is crude his stuff is already well above average. Law also had Stewart in his mid season top 50 which is also odd.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:05 PM

I also find it interesting that the three guys drafted just above Stewart are ranked 11, 12 and 15. It means nothing of course, except that the perception of there being a large dropoff after those first three picks is still certainly there.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:07 PM

[quote name='admin']He worries about tall pitchers being able to find their consistency and stay healthy. He backs it up with some historical numers:


I don't know where to find stats on this, but I dont' recall many pithers 6'8 or taller in MLB. Seems like these guys were playing basketball 10-20 years ago.

#26 twinsfan34

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:26 PM

Law is hilarious....check this out...

http://espn.go.com/s...sider-keith-law

[h=6]Adam (LA)[/h]

[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Can you actually answer questions about players on the list rather than just the people whining about guys who didn't make it?[/FONT][/COLOR]
[h=6]Klaw (1:21 PM)
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[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Maybe, if you stop hitting the Submit button repeatedly like a crack-addicted rat in a lab maze.


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[h=6]Devon (Some mountain)[/h][COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]

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[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]How in the world did Edwin Escobar not make your list?[/FONT][/COLOR]
[h=6]Klaw (1:17 PM)
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[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana]Because 100 other prospects were better. Seriously, that's a clown question. Give me a reason why Escobar belonged.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:46 PM

I was surpised by how low Stewart was but found this encouraging...

Mike (DC)



What prospect outside your top 15 or so has the best change to jump to top 5 in next years list? My bet would be on Giolito.
Klaw (1:57 PM)




Or Bundy or Guerrieri. Those are easy calls though, due to the injuries. Could be someone like J.P. Crawford, because he's an up the middle guy with skills on both sides of the ball, or pitchers like Kohl Stewart or Miguel Almonte who flash plus stuff and could do so more consistently this year.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:13 PM

I also find it interesting that the three guys drafted just above Stewart are ranked 11, 12 and 15. It means nothing of course, except that the perception of there being a large dropoff after those first three picks is still certainly there.


Those three above him were all college players who are well over two years older than Stewart. It's not hard to believe they would be ranked higher since they are more likely further in their development.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:12 AM

I agree, and Sano's defense may impact his value at the plate. If he can't stick at 3B and moves to 1B, LF, or DH his value drops. He would still lead this team in OPS or be in the top 2, but his value takes a hit. Compare that with guys that can hit and are locks to stay at SS like Correa or Russell. Some find his K's as an issue as well.


Correa is already 6'4" tall as a 19 year old. He is athletic for his size so he might stick but that is hardly a given at this point.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:39 AM

Twins have four middle infielders (3) Eddie Rosario (10) Jorge Polanco, SS/2B (11) Engelb Vielma (13) Danny Santana in their top 13 prospects of a very strong farm system.

Is that a function of middle infielders being premium value or because these guys are strong prospects? Does anyone have insight on
Engelb Vielma? GCL batting stats look pretty weak. Is he in the Florimon mold?