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#1 PseudoSABR

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:07 PM

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 44s 2B Eddie Rosario of #Twins becomes latest minor leaguer to test positive for recreational drug use and gets 100 games

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino 8m Eddie Rosario receives 50-game suspension for "second positive test for drug of abuse," MLB announces. #mntwins

Edited by PseudoSABR, 04 January 2014 - 01:23 PM.


#2 Seth Stohs

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:13 PM

Just 50 games in reality though.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:15 PM

Why 100? I thought the first positive test was 50?

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:18 PM

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:21 PM

Man, isn't that the second on the list...so he has 50 for taking pills due to an injury, announced in November, and this for recreational usage...so won't it be for 150?
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:24 PM

Nightengale had it wrong evidently. 50 game suspension.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:35 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...ed-for-50-Games

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:02 PM

Could not have said any of this better, excellent analysis.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:12 PM

How does the suspension affect his November 40-man status? Does this actually give us extra time?

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:22 PM

I had that story here when it broke, based on Rosario quotes in detail, even what he tested positive for on the title.

And it was not marijuana or anything like that, so even those allegations (like the PED allegations) are wrong and unfair.

It was prescription painkillers that he took before (with a prescription) per doctors' instructions for his broken jaw in Beloit. This time he took them without a prescription and without doctors' advise for pain in his elbow. Read it any way you want to, but it is different that buying coke, pot or crack at a street corner. He did not. I think that he learned a lesson to talk to team doctors for stuff like that.

Also, this suspension might be a blessing in disguise because it will allow him to stay at EST at Fort Myers and work on his fielding at second base. His hitting timing might need some work but I do not see him spend any serious time at high A+. Likely goes to New Britain right away and potentially to Rochester after the draft. 50 days has him starting ball end of May. Not that long.

Today the Twins signed his temporary replacement utility player Corey Wimberly who will likely go to New Britain.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:29 PM

How does the suspension affect his November 40-man status? Does this actually give us extra time?


No. He still needs to be added next offseason.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:33 PM

Man, isn't that the second on the list...so he has 50 for taking pills due to an injury, announced in November, and this for recreational usage...so won't it be for 150?


No, this is the officializing (if that were a word) of the report that came out in November. It was never official then. It was just reported in that Venezuelan newspaper.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

I had that story here when it broke, based on Rosario quotes in detail, even what he tested positive for on the title.

And it was not marijuana or anything like that, so even those allegations (like the PED allegations) are wrong and unfair.

It was prescription painkillers that he took before (with a prescription) per doctors' instructions for his broken jaw in Beloit. This time he took them without a prescription and without doctors' advise for pain in his elbow. Read it any way you want to, but it is different that buying coke, pot or crack at a street corner. He did not. I think that he learned a lesson to talk to team doctors for stuff like that.


Here's the list of substances that constitute a "drug of abuse," under the program:



While we might understandably assume that the vast majority of 19-22 year old minor leaguers who fail a test for "drug of abuse" did so by testing positive for pot, the inclusion of a drug such as codeine could give credence to Rosario's initial claim that this was related to some sort of drug he took for elbow pain.

On the other hand, this is his second failed test (no suspension for the first, 50 games for the 2nd, 100 for the 3rd), so I'm not sure you can completely trust what he originally claimed, either.

Either way, whether it was pot, codeine or many of the other substances on that list, the only concern would be if he makes additional poor decisions and it ends up stunting his development and/or affecting potential trade value.

Regardless of how you feel about whether some of the listed substances should be on the list, the players who have chosen to pursue a career in professional baseball in the US know the rules going in. Making one mistake is not a concern. Making a second mistake is a red flag for judgment. Making a third would be cause for legitimate concern.
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

At least it's not a performance enhancer - his numbers are legit.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:45 PM

The particulars aren't terribly important, IMO.

I think the bigger lesson here is, once again, a reminder that penciling in minor leaguers as big league regulars at some point in the future is a risky way to build an MLB team. Not to say this is devastating for Rosario, or that he can't recover. Just further proof it is a long road between success in A ball and delivering winning performance levels in the show, and there are many and varied potholes to avoid on the way.

Its one more reminder of why I believe you build winning MLB teams by first getting your hands on as much proven big league talent as possible, and then making space when a minor leaguer forces the issue, rather than keeping space open at the big league level in anticipation of needing it somewhere down the road.

You can always deal with the "problem" of having too many good players.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

Here's kind of a tough question: Which is better/worse? Getting busted for PEDs or Drugs of Abuse? (obviously neither is good)

Consider:

1.) PEDs - In theory, a minor league taking a PED is trying to get better.

2.) Drug of Abuse - these are definitely not some attempt to get better.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 06:00 PM

What it does mean is that if Polanco tears it up in Fort Myers, he could move ahead of Rosario on the orgainizational chart.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 06:41 PM

Here is an interesting article from BA on the top. What is interesting, is that they say that Rosario is the number 6 prospect in the Twins' organization. They have not released their rankings yet (coming in a couple weeks or so) but it looks like he went up one spot from the 2013 rankings (that can be found here.) With 3 graduates ahead of him from the 2013 rankings and likely Stewart and Pinto ahead of him, might be easy to guess the BA top ten a couple weeks before they are released...
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 07:30 PM

Here's kind of a tough question: Which is better/worse? Getting busted for PEDs or Drugs of Abuse? (obviously neither is good)

Consider:

1.) PEDs - In theory, a minor league taking a PED is trying to get better.

2.) Drug of Abuse - these are definitely not some attempt to get better.


I think him being caught with PEDs would be worse. It would make me question how much that affected his production and how good he actually is as a prospect.
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:02 PM

Here's the list of substances that constitute a "drug of abuse," under the program:



While we might understandably assume that the vast majority of 19-22 year old minor leaguers who fail a test for "drug of abuse" did so by testing positive for pot, the inclusion of a drug such as codeine could give credence to Rosario's initial claim that this was related to some sort of drug he took for elbow pain.

On the other hand, this is his second failed test (no suspension for the first, 50 games for the 2nd, 100 for the 3rd), so I'm not sure you can completely trust what he originally claimed, either.

Either way, whether it was pot, codeine or many of the other substances on that list, the only concern would be if he makes additional poor decisions and it ends up stunting his development and/or affecting potential trade value.

Regardless of how you feel about whether some of the listed substances should be on the list, the players who have chosen to pursue a career in professional baseball in the US know the rules going in. Making one mistake is not a concern. Making a second mistake is a red flag for judgment. Making a third would be cause for legitimate concern.


Read the quotes in Phil Miller's Strib story and it sounds like, according to Ryan, that Rosario made some avoidable mistakes. So, we got a conundrum here: is it that an innocent ER was taking medicines to help with an aching jaw; or, is it, as TR suggests, that what we got on our hands is an irresponsible kid out of Puerto Rico who needs to be brought down a notch, kept an eye on and generally treated as a never do well.

Read into this what you will, but I am seeing two very different takes on this story, and I'm surprised, NO, shocked, that Twins Daily staff are not making more of what TR is saying to the press. He's making ER look like a kid out of control. Why would he do that? It certainly does not help his trade value.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:13 PM

Not to be nit picky here, but I'd be willing to bet just about everyone on this forum has at one time taken a prescription pain killer that was left over from a previous script long after the original condition had ended. I know I've done it, and I'd guess most of us have too. I just don't get too worked up about this, and this is the type of thing that I really wonder exactly what the purpose of MLB's policy is.

Either way, Eddie is going to miss 50 games due to this. That should be a good lesson to him.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 08:40 PM

Sucks any way you look at it. Just wish we had better clarification. I've read where he took the same approved medication he took for his broken jaw, but for his elbow, but just didn't get medical clearance this time.

if so, a silly and stupid mistake and he'll be back on track June 1st and ready to go at AA, or a brief stop at FtMyers first, with AAA still in sight, and possible MLB in Sept. The suspension shouldn't hold him back much considering overall ability.

Now, if there is more to this, the a wakeup call s definitely in order!

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 11:40 PM

Read the quotes in Phil Miller's Strib story and it sounds like, according to Ryan, that Rosario made some avoidable mistakes. So, we got a conundrum here: is it that an innocent ER was taking medicines to help with an aching jaw; or, is it, as TR suggests, that what we got on our hands is an irresponsible kid out of Puerto Rico who needs to be brought down a notch, kept an eye on and generally treated as a never do well.

Read into this what you will, but I am seeing two very different takes on this story, and I'm surprised, NO, shocked, that Twins Daily staff are not making more of what TR is saying to the press. He's making ER look like a kid out of control. Why would he do that? It certainly does not help his trade value.


What am I missing? Here are the TR quotes that I see in Miller's blog post at the Strib:

"It's disappointing, but now he has to pay the consequences and be accountable," Twins general manager Terry Ryan said. "Losing 50 games, that's a huge setback. That's a lot of development time, a lot of learning that he'll miss. It sets back his progression [toward] going up to the big leagues. But young people make mistakes, and hopefully he learns from it."

How exactly do you interpret those statements as TR suggesting "that what we got on our hands is an irresponsible kid out of Puerto Rico who needs to be brought down a notch, kept an eye on and generally treated as a never do well."?

Ryan stated the obvious. Rosario screwed up and losing 50 games of development time just as he's getting close to sniffing his big league debut is a big deal. He hopes Rosario learns from the mistake. I certainly don't see any subtext there indicating Ryan thinks Rosario is an irresponsible never do well.

Did anyone think Ryan should brush it off as no big deal? What kind of message would that send to Rosario? "Oh hey, sure it's your 2nd time testing positive for this stuff, but don't worry about it, you'll be wearing a Twins uniform in no time."

Ryan made exactly the kind of statement I would expect and I feel is appropriate. It's balanced and neither is too dismissive, nor unjustly harsh.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:07 AM

Jim, there's also this TR quote, which seems more relevant:
"We'll keep him under our eye, whether it's at spring camp or somewhere else," Ryan said. "That's a sizable part of the season, but that's the price you pay for not being responsible enough to understand right from wrong."

While TR does condemn Rosario's actions and indicates a kind of vigilance/probation period, I don't think TR vilifies Rosario as a never do well. Though, I doubt we'll see Rosario in a Twins uniform this year.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:45 AM

[quote name='Jim Crikket']Here's the list of substances that constitute a "drug of abuse," under the program:


[LIST=1]
[*]Natural cannabinoids (e.g., THC, hashish and marijuana)
[*]Synthetic THC and cannabimimetics (e.g., K2 and Spice)

Let's please not list synthetic "marijuana" anywhere near the natural version. Synthetics are unproven chemicals made buy unregulated who knows who and marijuana has been used safely by humans for thousands of years. Longer than beer or wine.

I agree with earlier post, kid had some left over pills and took them. Not smart considering what's at stake but doesn't seem like someone with an abuse problem.

P.S. If Mary Jane is not tested on the 40 man does that mean our Boys Of Summer might be free to imbibe?

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:45 PM

I don't think chances were slim that Rosario would be seen in a Twins uniform in 2014, anyway, but I agree that a 50 game suspension before he can even get on a minor league field reduces the slim chance to virtually none.

wabene, I didn't choose the grouping, that's the list as grouped in the MLB drug testing program document. Obviously, there are widely ranging drugs in the list. I imagine it must have been an interesting set of discussions in the negotiation process to arrive at what drug went on what list.

And yes, realistically, MLB players can light up pretty freely as long as they aren't stupid about it. Testing is for cause and consequences for failing a test may lead to mandatory treatment programs. Suspensions would only happen in the most extreme cases that seem like they'd be highly unlikely to ever occur. Maybe if a guy became such a stoner that he couldn't function or couldn't get through an inning on the bench without a bag of Doritos. Pretty safe to assume, I think, that a guy would be long gone from the league for performance reasons before he'd ever get deep enough in to the disciplinary process that would potentially result in a suspension for pot.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:07 PM

One of my favorite things about baseball is the chance for redemption.

When Miguel Cabrera screwed up the final weekend in 2009 and then had the infamous drunken on the highway incident right before spring training in 2011, I was glad he wasn't a Twin .... but he has redeemed himself both on the field and seemingly off the field (at least no more big reported incidents).

It's easy to forget how young these kids are. When I think back to some of the things I was stupid enough to do in my early 20's, I think, "there but for the grace of God, go I...."

I hope that Rosario learns a lesson from this and becomes one of the great redemption stories.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:25 PM

What will Rosario do and where will he be during the suspension? Is he allowed to be around the team?
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 04:54 PM

What will Rosario do and where will he be during the suspension? Is he allowed to be around the team?


He is not allowed to play in official games. He will go to Spring Training normally (this would likely be by the first week of March with all players not on the 40-man roster who did not receive an invitation to the MLB club; he might still receive an invitation, which means he would report on 2/22, but I doubt it.)

Once ST breaks and teams go to their respective locations, he will stay for extended ST with several players who will be playing in Elizabethton and the GCL Twins this season. He will play games with them against the Red Sox and Orioles EST squads and scrimmage with them and also practice.

50 games will be done by the end of May, and at that point he will join his club, whatever that might be.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

Whatever. Lots of kids do stuff when they are in their early 20's. He learns from it, or he doesn't. Its all part of the learning process.

I am most concerned about his production in Arizona and Winterball. His offseason line:
.201 / .255 / .293
Not good for a top prospect who played at 70 games at AA last year.