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#81 ScrapTheNickname

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:48 PM

So doesn't Suzuki return us to the point we might as well have kept Butera?


Excellent point.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:53 PM

It may be a situation where Suzuki will benefit from only playing on a limited basis. With a full season to heal up and then only take the beating of playing behind the plate a couple of times per week he may improve in both behind the plate and at the plate statistics. I too think we needed to give our pitching staff more than pinto and Herman/Fryer. A pitcher is only going to succeed with a good relationship with his catcher. I think this is often overlooked. I think a veteran presence was needed behind the plate. At under 3 million, we did alright with Suzuki. If he can improve by staying healthy, all the better.

I still think we need another outfielder.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:58 PM

So doesn't Suzuki return us to the point we might as well have kept Butera?


Methinks you need to take another look at Butera's stat line.

http://www.baseball-...buterdr01.shtml

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:59 PM

So doesn't Suzuki return us to the point we might as well have kept Butera?


Between Butera+$$ and Suzuki+Sulbaran, I choose the latter.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:14 PM

I still think we need another outfielder.[/QUOTE

Why? Willihammer, hicks, parmelee, arcia, pressly, and most likely ploufe will be all given time in the field. I agree there not the greatest, But I think TR is content for the time being with some good prospects coming up in 2015.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:15 PM

The last two years, Suzuki has been basically the equivalent of Jose Molina with the bat. (With his modest ability to take a walk, Fryer might be in that range too.) Molina signed for 2 years at a lower AAV (2/4.5). Will be interesting to see how their defense/framing compares.


Framing doesn't like Suzuki, but I've certainly never seen anything in his games that suggests he's poor at it, but I also don't trust metrics on framing much at this time based on eye test vs. stats so far, similar to when zone rating and such first came out.

Suzuki has been hurt the last few years, so I wouldn't equate his expected offense to the production he's put forth the last two seasons, but I also wouldn't expect .290/.340 from him either.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:21 PM

They're just signing Suzuki to lure Tanaka!

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:32 PM

Why? Willihammer, hicks, parmelee, arcia, pressly, and most likely ploufe will be all given time in the field. I agree there not the greatest, But I think TR is content for the time being with some good prospects coming up in 2015.


I don't think we will see parmelee or Ploufe in the outfield in 2014. Parmelee is a fist baseman and he is now a backup to Joe and will probably start the year in Rochester. That leaves 4 question marks for the remaining 3 spots.

Hicks--I like Hicks, I think he will show a lot of improvement over his rookie year. He will need to prove himself and is far from a sure thing.

Arcia-- I like Arcia, I think he will show a lot of improvement over his rookie year. I think he will hit in the majors, but not sure he will establish himself as an everyday player this year.

Presley is a fourth outfielder. A younger version of Repko. He is a good defensive replacement and spot starter, but we shouldn't put him out there for even 40 starts in 2014.

Masty, I feel that same way about Darin Mastroianni. A good 4th outfielder, but he is getting older and we can't carry both hiim and Presley on the roster.

Willingham-- I hope he will return to his 2012 form but I'm not counting on it. It really seemed like that was his career year. Even with that fantastic year at the plate, he was a defensive liability. He should get about half his starts as a DH and the other half as a left fielder.

Kubel is also in the mix, but again he should rotate DH and outfield responsibilities.

I guess the recap of my thoughts is that not all of these guys are going to make it. I think we are set in the infield, but we still have too many questions in the outfield. We need another good all around outfielder that can play center if Hicks and Presley don't blossom into an everyday player.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:32 PM

Don't be concerned by how few base runners he threw out last year. I live in the DC Metropolitan area and saw a number of games, heard many more. Any fan or any announcer will tell you the Nats' pitchers were horrible at holding runners close to the bag.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:35 PM

They're just signing Suzuki to lure Tanaka!


Ok, but Suzuki is from Hawaii. Not sure he will be much good at recruiting.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:48 PM

Framing doesn't like Suzuki, but I've certainly never seen anything in his games that suggests he's poor at it, but I also don't trust metrics on framing much at this time based on eye test vs. stats so far, similar to when zone rating and such first came out.


I don't like pitch framing stats either because it doesn't take into account the natural predjudices of umpires, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. If umpires already have a preconcieved notion that a young/inexperienced/wild pitcher is going to be all over the place, I don't think pitch framing helps a whole lot as the umpire is already expecting pitches to be outside the zone.

I honestly haven't thought much about Suzuki's defensive game, but considering the above theory, the A's have run out Bartolo Colon and a bunch of young pups the last two years. Youngsters don't generally get the benefit of the doubt from an umpire and I'm not sure pitch framing would have a huge effect in convincing an umpire otherwise.

Greg Maddox got every borderline call but I think that had more to do with his reputation than it did his personal catcher du jour's framing skills.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:52 PM

Bonus in signing Suzuki: He has proven to be very tradable over the last two years. Not that the Twins should do so, but it's nice to have that option.


Excellent Nick! That was exactly my first thought. Given Terry's excellent recent track record in moving catchers, once Pinto gets settled in in a few months, as we all anticipate, with the capable backup potential of Hermann, Suzuki could net either a major league ready type prospect (or if he calls the Dodgers, something low minors/high-ceiling type, ala Sulbaran). ;)

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:00 PM

Not really. He was traded from OAK-WAS, then back from WAS-OAK. And those two teams have been trading with each other like gangbusters in recent years. They were also both August waiver trade salary dumps for what looks like minor league filler.


I disagree with your conclusion. What with the catcher concusssion contagion in recent years, there's more than a fighting chance that a contender is going to pay up for reliable catching depth when one of their own goes down.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:02 PM

Ok, but Suzuki is from Hawaii. Not sure he will be much good at recruiting.

But he has a japanese name!

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:17 PM

"I still think we need another outfielder."

Why? Willihammer, hicks, parmelee, arcia, pressly, and most likely ploufe will be all given time in the field. I agree there not the greatest, But I think TR is content for the time being with some good prospects coming up in 2015.


That's one good OF (Hicks), 2 works in progress (Arcia, Plouffe), 2 DHs (Willingham, Parmelee) and a Pitcher (Pressly) you got listed up there... Presley is a bench OF not a starting guy
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:55 PM

Wow. Terry Ryan's done with all of his shopping before Christmas and they're right around last year's budget. Usually he's waiting for the post-Christmas sales.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:32 PM

I still think we need another outfielder.[/QUOTE

Why? Willihammer, hicks, parmelee, arcia, pressly, and most likely ploufe will be all given time in the field. I agree there not the greatest, But I think TR is content for the time being with some good prospects coming up in 2015.


When a poster says "...we need another OF." He means a good OF--not the warm bodies that the Twins have been running out there the past few years.

Parmelee is an OF. He took training to become a 1B because of Morneau's concussion issue.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:38 PM

When a poster says "...we need another OF." He means a good OF--not the warm bodies that the Twins have been running out there the past few years.

Parmelee is an OF. He took training to become a 1B because of Morneau's concussion issue.


Chris Parmelee has spent his entire professional career splitting time between OF and 1B. Initially, he only played a few games at first but by 2008, he was splitting time almost evenly between RF/1B.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:50 PM

Parmelee is an OF. He took training to become a 1B because of Morneau's concussion issue.


Chris Parmelee has spent his entire professional career splitting time between OF and 1B. Initially, he only played a few games at first but by 2008, he was splitting time almost evenly between RF/1B.


Here is Parmelee's maxpreps page before he was drafted in HS. His High School positions are stated clearly (along with some really cool baby Parms pictures.) He was drafted as a first baseman (not as a LHP obviously) who got reps in the OF so he has versatility. The Twins thought of converting him to RF in his second season (in Beloit) because of his arm (he was a pitcher) and because of Morneau. However most of his pro career in the minors from 2008 on (ie. after that failed experiment in Beloit in 2007) has been at 1B (393 games at 1B vs 155 at OF, almost 3 to 1), because he was an awful OF early on.

And the above is a fact :)

Here is his senior season HS baseball roster that clearly indicates his positions as well...

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:59 PM

Here is Parmelee's maxpreps page before he was drafted in HS. His High School positions are stated clearly (along with some really cool baby Parms pictures.) He was drafted as a first baseman (not as a LHP obviously) who got reps in the OF so he has versatility. The Twins thought of converting him to RF in his second season (in Beloit) because of his arm (he was a pitcher) and because of Morneau. However most of his pro career in the minors from 2008 on (ie. after that failed experiment in Beloit in 2007) has been at 1B (393 games at 1B vs 155 at OF, almost 3 to 1), because he was an awful OF early on.

And the above is a fact :)

Here is his senior season HS baseball roster that clearly indicates his positions as well...


Interesting. I always thought of Parmelee as a first baseman but never thought about what position his played in prep ball. All I know is that he played some RF early in his career and then split time.