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#21 Pius Jefferson

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:07 PM

I can't help but ask what the Braves know about Gilmarten that they are willing to dump him off for only Ryan Doumit?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

Ibarra for Butera .

We got Sulbaran, iirc.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

While Gilmarten isn't the hot prospect he once was this is a freaking great return for Doumit. Ibarra for Butera now Gilmarten for Doumit. TR's track record in nabbing prospects for mediocre vets is top notch.


Wasn't Miguel Sulbaran acquired for Butera?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

WHHHAAAAAAAAAT?

Wow, I didn't see this one coming at all. Nice move by Ryan. Gilmartin is nothing special but that's not a bad haul for offloading Doumit after a pretty bad season.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

Twins have been after Gilmartin for awhile they were even linked to him in the draft if I remember. Lefty that doesn't throw real hard with excellent control. Decent return for Doumit to get a close to mlb ready starter.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

Nice buy low, struggled with command and injuries this past year. Good get for a guy that is kind of redundant as a DH/bad defensive OF and not a part of the future. Would've liked to see him stick as our backup this year but really not concerned with that position on a likely non-contender.

He was the Brave #5 prospect and a guy who dang near made it to the majors his first year in pro ball. He spent last year in AAA and had a bad year. I like the buy low move here.

Let's go get


Preseason, he may have been #5, but he never was a serious consideration for the majors in his first season of pro ball or even his second season.
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#27 PseudoSABR

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

I'm not sure you guys have a grip on how bad Gilmartin has become. Think Alex Wimmers from the left side.

Sure, but if the Braves just traded Doumit and his contract back to the Twins for Wimmers, you'd certainly be hyped the Braves obtained a buy low former first rounder, no matter how remote that ceiling is or how distant that prospect status in the past.

Edited by PseudoSABR, 18 December 2013 - 02:12 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:10 PM

Depends. Dave O'Brien, the Braves beat writer, responded to someone asking about money involved, and he said there is some, but it's not clear yet.


Who cares? Doumit was worth zero (probably held negative value, actually) on the field......and cost money. Now he costs less money, and he's not clogging up space for others. I don't see any downside here at all. Even if they pay 100% of his salary, he's gone, and they get a pitcher (who may be awful, or may not). This makes it easier for Willingham to be the full time DH, imo. It frees a roster spot for them to make a trade, or sign a FA.

While I don't love every move TR makes, he is good at these small deals, imo.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:10 PM

http://www.fangraphs...winnett-braves/

Interesting little piece on Gilmartin.

To be effective at the major-league level, Gilmartin’s control and command will have to be at their absolute best.

Hard to know if he can be effective in the mlb but Doumit was rapidly becoming the "odd man out" for the Twins -- especially if they are close to signing another catcher.

And the Twins do love those "command and control" artists.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:12 PM

I can't help but ask what the Braves know about Gilmarten that they are willing to dump him off for only Ryan Doumit?


Should say something when beat guys are saying good trade to move him for Doumit and cash (though the amount is still not clear).
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:12 PM

Sorry, I was thinking more along the lines of signing Suzuki or Buck. (I didn't make that clear).


Doumit already said he wouldn't catch this year regardless, right?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:13 PM

Does this amp up the search for a catcher now? How soon will they sign a John Buck or Kurt Suzuki?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:15 PM

I haven't looked at his stats since being drafted but it's funny because Gilmartin was my prediction (along with many others) to be the Twins draft choice prior to the 2011 draft.

And now looking at his stats it's obvious he fits everything that the Twins look for in a pitcher.

More hits than IP? Check.

Few BB? Check.

Mediocre K rate? Check.

Fastball velocity under 95? Check.

Why even bother? If he's anything more than Nick Blackburn (or Scott Diamond since they're both lefties and from the Braves organization) I'll be shocked.

I realize Doumit has no value but he is a carbon copy of 99 percent of the pitchers in this organization.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:16 PM

One of the best things about this to me is that being drafted in 2011, Gilmartin shouldn't require a 40 man spot. I'm not big on soft-tossing lefties, but I'm just fine getting rid of the Twins expendable players in exchange for guys who are only one year removed from positive endorsements.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:17 PM

I'm glad to offload Doumit, but this Gilmartin guy looks like AAA filler, another Pedro Hernandez at best. My opinion of the trade - "Meh".

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:17 PM

I'm not sure you guys have a grip on how bad Gilmartin has become. Think Alex Wimmers from the left side.


Really? That doesn't make any sense. The only thing they have in common is they were 1st round picks expected to fast track to the majors. Wimmers has 77 career minor league innings over just over 3 years. Gilmartin has 285 over just over 2 years. Now he's not someone to get overly excited about but at least has potential to be a big league starter still. Was the Braves top 5 guy a year ago. I'm not gonna let one bad year for a 23 year old make me think he's worthless. Better return than I would have ever expected for Doumit.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:18 PM

Darren Wolfson ‏@DarrenWolfson 8m Confirmed: #Braves taking all of Doumit's $3.5M. This is a great move by the #MNTwins.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:18 PM

According to espn, Gilmartin isn't on the 40-man roster. This means the Twins won't have to DFA anyone to put Pelfrey on the 40-man. Gilmartin, Albers, Diamond, and Johnson all look like the same guy to me.

Edited by stringer bell, 18 December 2013 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:18 PM

Doumit already said he wouldn't catch this year regardless, right?


I think it was Parker (or one of the other main TD guys) who posted something in the last day or so quoting Doumit's agent as saying he wanted to catch in 2014.

I've got to think that they are very close to signing either Suzuki or Buck. I'd think that they'd want to clear up the Doumit situation before they signed one of them. But it also doesn't escape me that Braves execs have been in the TC in the last few days touring Target Field so that may have more to do with the timing than anything.

EDIT: And GREAT POINT stringerbell about clearing space for Pelfrey.

Edited by JB_Iowa, 18 December 2013 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:18 PM

Have to think maybe Albers and even Diamond are on sketchy ground, after the Twins acquired a non-roster clone...