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#1 darin617

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 05:05 PM

I know they have not finalized any deal yet. The question I would answered is how many years must a player sign a contract for? If it would go worst team (Houston) a pitcher like Tanaka if forced to sign with the winning bid what would stop the player from saying "fine I will be an Astro but I will only sign a 1yr deal and become a free agent. Then the player could go to NY or LA where they want to be and get a huge deal.
They should also make it if let's say Houston posted $20M and won the rights to sign Tanaka they should have to surrender their 1st round pick in the up coming draft. So every team would move up 1 slot in the draft.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 05:25 PM

I think sacrificing a first round pick is unfair to losing teams. I like this proposed system but think the fee will likely need to be higher.

How about if the high bid can't get a deal done the next qualified team gets a shot at working out a deal, though they would be required to offer an average annual salary at least $15% higher than the first team did.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:01 PM

How about if the high bid can't get a deal done the next qualified team gets a shot at working out a deal, though they would be required to offer an average annual salary at least $15% higher than the first team did.


With that rule in place, why would the player ever accept the first offer?

#4 The Wise One

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:10 PM

If they come over as a free agent it is whatever they want. When they post it is the 6 years.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:13 PM

Doesnt the new rules say If there is a tie the player can negociate with every team that bid the same amount? so the Rich get richer and the twins get , well we got our health

#6 darin617

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:09 PM

If they come over as a free agent it is whatever they want. When they post it is the 6 years.


I thought the Twins paid a posting on Nishi and his deal was not for 6 years.

#7 kab21

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:13 PM

With that rule in place, why would the player ever accept the first offer?


Because the next team might not offer +15%.

It will be interesting to see how the rules actually play out on this.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:35 PM

Because the next team might not offer +15%.


Out of curiosity was there a reason behind choosing 15%? What would you think about the percentage increase of offer required being based off of the the number of wins separating teams rather than how many teams have had a chance?

It sounds like the idea of trying to help the losing/small market teams isn't doing well but it would be pretty neat.

#9 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

MLBTR- "Under the latest proposal, while the maximum posting fee is $20MM, players appear to be free to sign with any team that ties for the highest bid, the Los Angeles Times' Bill Shaikin tweets. If that's the case, Yahoo!'s Jeff Passan points out, it will make Tanaka a de facto free agent, and he will likely receive a large contract."

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

MLBTR- "Under the latest proposal, while the maximum posting fee is $20MM, players appear to be free to sign with any team that ties for the highest bid, the Los Angeles Times' Bill Shaikin tweets. If that's the case, Yahoo!'s Jeff Passan points out, it will make Tanaka a de facto free agent, and he will likely receive a large contract."


i think that makes more sense. Then the player can get more of the money the money the player gets will count against payroll like any other contract. Yankees, dodgers etc will still have the upper hand but a mid market team could still take a shot if they felt it was a fairly sure thing and the player could choose to take less money if he wanted to play some particular place.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:46 PM

So....we could still get him. Technically....I would like it better if like only a certain number of teams could negociate no matter how many ponied up the winning bid. With some kind of lotto system based on winning %.

#12 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:14 PM

So....we could still get him. Technically....I would like it better if like only a certain number of teams could negociate no matter how many ponied up the winning bid. With some kind of lotto system based on winning %.


That's a little out in left field thinking...Just a little...

#13 nicksaviking

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:03 PM

With that rule in place, why would the player ever accept the first offer?


Because 15% is a hefty raise and there's no promise he'd get a better deal.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:09 PM

Out of curiosity was there a reason behind choosing 15%? What would you think about the percentage increase of offer required being based off of the the number of wins separating teams rather than how many teams have had a chance?

It sounds like the idea of trying to help the losing/small market teams isn't doing well but it would be pretty neat.


Well I pulled it out of my butt. I figure it should be high enough that the players can't simply turn down a small market offer and run to the Yankees. I don't care too much how it works but I do think it shouldn't intentionally aid the big markets as this new deal seems to. It was just a random thought, I must confess I wasn't invited to the negotiating table for some reason.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:36 AM

MLB and Japanese baseball came to an agreement on the posting system and basically every team that's willing to pony up 20m can try and sign Tanaka, essentially making it a bidding war and guaranteeing that the largest revenue clubs will get the best Japanese talent.

http://www.mlbtrader...ing-system.html

Edited by gunnarthor, 05 December 2013 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:39 AM

I actually applaud this move. Spending $50m+ just to negotiate with a guy is absurd. Treat these players more like free agents... Or better yet, figure out a way to incorporate them into the draft or include them as international signing money.

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:40 AM

Wow, sounds like NPB went to bat for their players. Top bid is capped at 20m and player gets to negotiate with all the winners.

http://www.mlbtrader...ing-system.html

#18 gunnarthor

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

I actually applaud this move. Spending $50m+ just to negotiate with a guy is absurd. Treat these players more like free agents... Or better yet, figure out a way to incorporate them into the draft or include them as international signing money.


As a labor over management guy, I generally agree with you (esp with the idea of putting the players in some sort of draft). But this seemed to be an area where the Twins could have made relatively cheap upgrades by simply out scouting the competition. Now, that ability has been lessened. (And I know the Twins haven't done a great job scouting in NPB yet).

#19 spycake

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:51 AM

I hope I'm not nitpicking, but can we please stop using vague, generic thread titles? Unless the thread is intended to vague and generic, I suppose. Otherwise, moderators have my blessing to rename threads to their specific topics.

"Well, this sucks" could refer to any number of Twins-related topics right now. :)

#20 spycake

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:54 AM

As a labor over management guy, I generally agree with you (esp with the idea of putting the players in some sort of draft). But this seemed to be an area where the Twins could have made relatively cheap upgrades by simply out scouting the competition. Now, that ability has been lessened. (And I know the Twins haven't done a great job scouting in NPB yet).


The Twins weren't going to compete for Tanaka in the old system either. And they can still sign guys like Nishioka (hopefully better!) with no posting fee or a minimal one.

Not sure what the problem is?