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#21 ChiTownTwinsFan

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:34 AM

Good for Justin! I wish him all the best. I always hate seeing long-timers go, but such is the business and I hope he finds success again.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:35 AM

You wonder why he would even want to keep playing, one more concussion could affect the rest of his life, he already banked one big contract, how much money does a person need?

Good luck to him.


Maybe because he loves it? I hope that's why anyway, and I would be very sympathetic to that answer. I doubt it's just about the money.

In any case, I wish him the best. I'll have to catch a few Rockies games this year to watch the former MVP and former batting champ.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:41 AM

Glad that the Twins didn't resign him, I heard too many short sarcastic answers from him during interviews


I like guys who can play baseball. I've never really cared if they're good at TV interviews.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:23 AM

Very bizarre move by Colorado, to be honest. I hope Morneau stays healthy and produces for them, but what is going on with the Rockies? Basically giving Fowler away, and then signing someone they didn't need for what appears to be above-market dollars.


Todd Helton just retired so someone has to play first base. I think Morneau could definitely hit 25+ homeruns playing in Denver.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:07 PM

Maybe because he loves it? I hope that's why anyway, and I would be very sympathetic to that answer. I doubt it's just about the money.

In any case, I wish him the best. I'll have to catch a few Rockies games this year to watch the former MVP and former batting champ.

I am 44 and play basketball before work with a group of coworkers every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. I will keep doing it as long as my body allows, hopefully into my 60s. One of the guys is 65. Why would you quit when someone is paying you to do something you love so much? Youth will not come back. Do it while you can.

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:25 PM

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    justin morneau deal with #rockies came in at $12.5M for 2. good to see 1 club friendly deal in the bunch.


    Just to show how perspectives vary. Heyman calls the deal "club friendly" while many of us were shocked that it was for 2 years.

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:29 PM

I am 44 and play basketball before work with a group of coworkers every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. I will keep doing it as long as my body allows, hopefully into my 60s. One of the guys is 65. Why would you quit when someone is paying you to do something you love so much? Youth will not come back. Do it while you can.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 12:18 PM

  • Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 30m
    justin morneau deal with #rockies came in at $12.5M for 2. good to see 1 club friendly deal in the bunch.

  • Just to show how perspectives vary. Heyman calls the deal "club friendly" while many of us were shocked that it was for 2 years.


I'm still surprised we didn't bring him back and have Mauer play 3rd. Joe would be perfect over there, and we could of dumped Plouffe. It would be a much better team.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:52 PM

I'm still surprised we didn't bring him back and have Mauer play 3rd. Joe would be perfect over there, and we could of dumped Plouffe. It would be a much better team.


I really think that if the Twins thought Mauer had the range to play third, they'd have tried that out. Even though I'm critical of the Twins front office often, I do think they are aware of the idea of the defensive spectrum and that moving Mauer to third would have been far better than moving him to first.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:57 PM

I really think that if the Twins thought Mauer had the range to play third, they'd have tried that out. Even though I'm critical of the Twins front office often, I do think they are aware of the idea of the defensive spectrum and that moving Mauer to third would have been far better than moving him to first.


A year or two ago, sure. But not in 2014.

What's the point of moving Mauer to third when Sano has improved drastically and looks to be in Minnesota by mid season?

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:48 PM

A year or two ago, sure. But not in 2014.

What's the point of moving Mauer to third when Sano has improved drastically and looks to be in Minnesota by mid season?


Or at worst, 2015. Good point, too.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:04 PM

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp Posted Image A year or two ago, sure. But not in 2014.

What's the point of moving Mauer to third when Sano has improved drastically and looks to be in Minnesota by mid season?
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[quote name='Alex']Or at worst, 2015. Good point, too.[/QUOTE]

Hire a legit 1B/DH through FA or trade. Have Mauer play 3B until Sano arrives. Once Sano arrives to play 3B in either mid- or late-2014 or 2015, move Mauer to 1B, the previous 1B to DH. Problem solved- offense starts out 2014 better than 2013 instead of worse, as it will now....and then gets successively better as Sano moves into the lineup.

[QUOTE]I really think that if the Twins thought Mauer had the range to play third, they'd have tried that out[/QUOTE]

How much range does one really need to play 3B? Especially with a very rangy SS to your immediate left in Florimon? Mauer has always been terrific chasing down foul popups behind the plate and at 1B, no reason to forsee any deficiencies in that area for him at Third. Mauer has all the requisite tools to play the position, and would clearly be a defensive upgrade from Plouffe from Day One, just his length alone would allow him to double the number of chances compared to Plouffe going to his left....perhaps with the exception that he'd have a learning curve relative to Plouffe on charging the bunt and weakly hit balls, but he'd pick that up in no time.

Edited by jokin, 07 December 2013 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:46 PM

Hire a legit 1B/DH through FA or trade. Have Mauer play 3B until Sano arrives. Once Sano arrives to play 3B in either mid- or late-2014 or 2015, move Mauer to 1B, the previous 1B to DH. Problem solved- offense starts out 2014 better than 2013 instead of worse, as it will now....and then gets successively better as Sano moves into the lineup.



How much range does one really need to play 3B? Especially with a very rangy SS to your immediate left in Florimon? Mauer has always been terrific chasing down foul popups behind the plate and at 1B, no reason to forsee any deficiencies in that area for him at Third. Mauer has all the requisite tools to play the position, and would clearly be a defensive upgrade from Plouffe from Day One, just his length alone would allow him to double the number of chances compared to Plouffe going to his left....perhaps with the exception that he'd have a learning curve relative to Plouffe on charging the bunt and weakly hit balls, but he'd pick that up in no time.


Jokin, I love the idea in principle, but do you legitimately think the Twins are completely ignorant of this possibility and haven't even discussed or evaluated it?

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:16 PM

Canadien rediscovers power in Rocky Mountains - book it. :)

We gave them a batting champ, how about an RBI champ to boot.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:23 PM

The point would be Plouffe would be gone, and Mauer would play a better 3rd base. When Sano is ready, he could move to first.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 09:04 AM

Why would the Twins spend so much time and effort jerking around their best player for what will probably amount to three, maybe four months at third base?

The ship has sailed on Mauer at third.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 09:40 AM

Why would the Twins spend so much time and effort jerking around their best player for what will probably amount to three, maybe four months at third base?

The ship has sailed on Mauer at third.


This does make a huge assumption that Sano can stick at 3B long-term. His body is still changing and he very well could end up with a body more like David Ortiz than David Justice (which is his current body-type).

But I agree, that ship has sailed, and the Twins offense will suffer for it in 2014.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 09:46 AM

This does make a huge assumption that Sano can stick at 3B long-term. His body is still changing and he very well could end up with a body more like David Ortiz than David Justice (which is his current body-type).

But I agree, that ship has sailed, and the Twins offense will suffer for it in 2014.


Every report I've seen on Sano in the past 12 months has talked about improvement on defense and the likelihood that he'll stay at third, at least for awhile.

By the time Sano proves he can't play third, Mauer will probably be too old for the position anyway.

So, at the end of the day, we're still talking about 3-4 months, tops. A non-issue.

Besides, there's no reason to think Mauer would be better defensively than Plouffe, particularly in his first year or two. Trevor has been an infielder his entire life. Mauer has exactly zero career innings at third base.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 09:48 AM

The point would be Plouffe would be gone, and Mauer would play a better 3rd base. When Sano is ready, he could move to first.


Yep. I've proposed as such previously. Your defense is better, your offense is better. The only thing you don't fully utilize is Sano's arm and the "wasted" years of training to turn Sano into a third baseman, still worth the trade-off, net-net.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 10:15 AM

Why is everyone so confident that Mauer would be a better third baseman than Miguel Sano?

The only dig against Sano is his (potential) size. His athleticism has never been in question; he's been playing the position for years and is in his early 20s.

On the other hand, Mauer is in his early 30s and has zero innings at the position and previous to 2012, zero innings any ANY position other than catcher.