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#1 MichiganTwins

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:05 PM

On a scale of 1-10, how happy would you be if the Twins sign Nolasco and Pelfrey only? (10 being very happy)

I think it might be a good plan E option, but I would like them to sign someone else first of course. What if the Twins sign 3 starting free agents? These two and maybe a wildcard like Santana?

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:53 PM

Unless Pelfrey is in the 3 mill or less a year category no freakin way. He was terrible last year & hated watching hiom pitch period.

Any plan with Pelfrey as the 2nd veteren has me giving a 3 at best.

Arroyo, Garza, Capuano, Feldman, Bailey, Samardzija, & Anderson or bust!

I dont think they want to give up the draft pick to get Jiminez or Kazmir.

Add any of these poitchers with Pelfrey being the 3rd then it moves to a 8-9

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 08:35 PM

Unless Pelfrey is in the 3 mill or less a year category no freakin way. He was terrible last year & hated watching hiom pitch period.

Any plan with Pelfrey as the 2nd veteren has me giving a 3 at best.

Arroyo, Garza, Capuano, Feldman, Bailey, Samardzija, & Anderson or bust!

I dont think they want to give up the draft pick to get Jiminez or Kazmir.

Add any of these poitchers with Pelfrey being the 3rd then it moves to a 8-9


No draft pick if they sign Kazmir.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:23 PM

If Twins sign Nolasco and Pelfrey only I would be a 4. Not disgusted, but a tad disappointed they didn't do more. If the Twins sign a Dioner Navarro and a Matt Garza type in addition to Nolasco and Pelfrey, I would be 10.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:38 PM

A 3. It's the same horrible rotation plus Nolasco! We don't even know how healthy Deduno will be, and we have to kick the tires on somebody other than Pelfrey. We need a solid arm like Arroyo, Kazmir, or somebody in that range.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:49 PM

Garza or Kazmir, and Navarro and Chavez(or some one who can platoon with Trevor ) and I give them a 9...if we dont sign a better pitcher then Ricky , then its a 3(which is 2 more then last year)

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:59 PM

At least a 5 if not higher depending on the veteran C they sign. I would welcome back Pelfrey with open arms if he is a 3rd choice. But I believe he will indeed be better and stronger this year, and while Nolasco isn't my very first choice, he is in the top 5 or so and instantly makes our rotation deeper and better. If it HAS to be Pelfrey as our second signing, but we sign Salt or AJ I'm pretty darn happy.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 10:43 PM

I would go 6. I expect pelfrey to be more like his second half than first, which means a pretty solid starter. All I want is legit talent on the roster, and with one signing they completely changed the starting rotation.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 11:15 PM

All I want is legit talent on the roster, and with one signing they completely changed the starting rotation.


ehhh...not completely. Nolasco instantly becomes the "ace" but is his sole addition to a terrible rotation really going to have a big effect on W-L? I'm not convinced. Remember, this is the team that's had arguably the worst starting pitching in the league over the past three seasons. They need to do more than just add one underwhelming innings-eater. Ok, resign Pelfry but also go get another guy like Kazmir or Arroyo. Then we might actually have something resembling a real MLB pitching staff.

I'm gonna say 4 like Sconnie, not disgusted but disappointed. I have a feeling that it might stop with Nolasco and Pelf, tho

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 11:21 PM

I'd give a 9.....just because it represents a sea change in the organization.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 11:27 PM

Nolasco by himself is worth 3; Pelfrey might add a fourth point if the bullpen is reduced to seven.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 11:53 PM

A 7. This is the same team whose biggest free agent acquisition was a TOTAL of 21 mil and under 10 per. This is a move for the future and the guy will be 35 at end of deal. Pelfrey is a throw in low risk signing. The move wont hinder the future and might make the team respectable again. Farm is strong and I see Navarro next to help bring along pinto...I can see light for the first time in 3 years.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 12:04 AM

I would say if they signed Garza, Jimenez, or E. Santana to a 5 year deal with the additions of Salty on a 3 year deal and Casey Mcgehee (3B) on a 1 year deal I would give it a 8.5 only because I want them to sign Ellsbury, sadly that's not happening.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 01:01 AM

A "10" is probably unattainable, but if the Twins sign Kasmir and Navarro/Pierzynski to go along with Nolasco, this would be a pretty damn good off season that would have me giving a grade of 8.875.

I am still in shock that the Twins actually signed Nolasco... Wow and Holy "Bleep".

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 01:19 AM

Nolasco signing (assumed) is great. Need some arms that can pitch. Provides some FA's the idea that the Twins are actually paying attention.

Now, go get Garza. He has been a horse. He's got an attitude and we need that.

I consider the scenario you laid out as a 3. We are shooting too low, and with some key 'over pays' we can change things here.

Then, go get Cano (see thread I started on it).

Nolasco, Garza, and Cano, then Twins have an off-season that gets us excited about 2014. I did the math in my head while I think that still leaves money in the budget and provides the Twins some trade chips (Dozier) or someone for SS...

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 01:37 AM

WOW! that must hurt.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 08:59 AM

A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:39 AM

I'd give it an 8. I'm still optimistic on Pelfrey.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:53 AM

A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.


Approaches Garza's performance? How? There's like half a run difference in ERA, after all.

I am not one to look at one year (2013) and judge.

I give it a 4 right now, since Nolasco is basically a 4th starter. A 3 if Pelfrey is signed. A 4 if Navarro is signed. A 6 if Salty is signed instead of Navarro. Kazmir = 7, Hughes = 6, Arroyo = 6 (all instead of Pelfrey).

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:02 AM

Approaches Garza's performance? How? There's like half a run difference in ERA, after all.


ERA? how about W-L? :)

2013 Nolasco: 3.72 SIERA, 3.58 xFIP, 19.8 K%, 1.32 GB/FB
2013 Garza: 3.79 SIERA, 3.73 xFIP, 20.9 K%, 1.01 GB/FB

Depends on how you cut it, Nolasco might have actually been better than Garza, if anything


As far as grades go, I'd have to give it a 4 too. They need a lefty in the rotation and this will mean Gardy trotting out Diamond. Not. that. great. Go get Kazmir
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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.


Garza made just over $10 million last year. MLBTradeRumors project him to get a 4 year $64 million contract.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:45 AM

A 6. The more I look at the numbers, the more I like Nolasco. He approaches Garza performance for 50% less money and one less year. Smart signing.

Pick up Kazmir and it becomes a 9. Pick up Pelfrey and Salty and it becomes an 8. Pick up Pelfrey and Navarro and it's a 7.

I'm floored by how many people want the Twins to go out and drop $80m on Garza. That's bad baseball... In 2016-2017, the Twins would be paying three players in their mid-30s roughly $60m.

That doesn't leave a lot of room to pay the kids and fill potential holes when this roster actually looks good.

Get Nolasco this season, reevaluate need next offseason and act accordingly. Buying everybody in one offseason is a good way to hamstring yourself in 3-4 years.


As long as we are grading on a 1-10 scale post, I would like to give this post a 12. As you have illustrated here, the process should be about building a sustainable winner. Most of the emphasis I see here is being as good as possible next year. Problem is that the first strategy generally impedes the second given the options available this year.

Nolasco and Kazmir on a 3 year deal sounds ideal to me. Let's wee what we have in Gibson and Meyer this year. Next year's crop has several top of the rotation guys. If Gibson and Meyer live up to expectations, How good would 2015 look with Bailey (or equiv) / Meyer / Gibson / Nolasco / Kazmir look.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:56 AM

No. Pelrey would be that third pitcher the Twins could sign, anyone from Santana to bringing back Jason marquis or Ramon Ortiz. They need to sign one more VETERAN starter that is an innings eater, will keep the team in the game, and can possibly be a losing streak stopper. Correia is a good #3. I would like to see another name as insurance amidst the Hendriks, Diamond, Gibson, Deduno mess.

Of course, I would love to see a second long-term name like Garza for five years. I can live with Correia leaving next season. Maybe signing Arroyo and having him available for trade the following season.

I also want to see them sign a decent backstop for at least a year....someone better than a Blanco. A.J. IS my choice. I would also like to see a better veteran bat. At this point, I would tradeout Chris Pamelee for Garrett Jones as a bench/backup at first/outfield type of guy, even though Parmelee has shown promise, is probably on par with the aging Jones, but jsut for the change.

I think the Twins are sitting pretty well with Correia and Doumit and Willingham as potential trade chips. They should also investigate moving Swarzak and/or Duensing (Colorado is looking for relief). Both can be repalced by Diamond or perhaps Hendriks or Worley.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 02:36 PM

Approaches Garza's performance? How? There's like half a run difference in ERA, after all.

I am not one to look at one year (2013) and judge.

I give it a 4 right now, since Nolasco is basically a 4th starter. A 3 if Pelfrey is signed. A 4 if Navarro is signed. A 6 if Salty is signed instead of Navarro. Kazmir = 7, Hughes = 6, Arroyo = 6 (all instead of Pelfrey).


ERA? Really, Shane?

Garza is a better pitcher than Nolasco. No one is disputing that... But Garza is probably going to demand Sanchez money... And he's no Sanchez.

Last season, Nolasco and Garza were pretty much the same pitcher. Same K%, similar BB%, similar ERA+, xFiP, etc. Yeah, Nolasco is *probably* going to regress a bit while Garza had a typical season... But if two guys having almost an identical season isn't "approaching the same production", I don't know what is.